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Re: /24s run amuck
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

>> The thing that surprises me is that there aren't any small >> vendors offering fairly generic routing boxes, i.e. Intel-based >imagestream does this, afaik. not too familiar with their offerings though. I stand corrected. The following page comparing Cisco and Imagestream is quite interesting. http://www.imagestream.com/Cisco_Comparison.html How many of you would buy an Imagestream box to evaluate for your next network buildout? --Michael Dillon

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IANA IPv4 allocations and bogon update: 70/8
by Rob Thomas 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Hi, NANOGers. Nope, we didn't forget or ignore it. :) The numerous Team Cymru bogon projects have been updated as of 15 JAN 2004 to reflect the following IANA allocation made on 15 JAN 2004: 70/8 Jan 04 ARIN IANA allocations change over time, so please check regularly to ensure you have the latest filters if you are not using the bogon BGP feed(s). We do announce updates to the bogon projects to sundry lists, such as the bogon-announce list. We can not stress this point strongly enough - these allocations change. If you do not adjust your filters, you will be unable to access perhaps large portions of the Internet. Worse yet, you may end up blocking access for people who transit through you. Please do not blindly apply any filters or blocks to your network without carefully considering the ramifications of doing so. As a point of reference, the Team Cymru master Bogon Reference Page can be found here: <http://www.cymru.com/Bogons/> A quick summary of the documents and projects that have been updated include the following: HTTP The Bogon List The Text Bogon List, Unaggregated The Text Bogon List, Aggregated Secure BIND Template Secure IOS Template (Cisco) Secure BGP Template (Cisco) Secure JUNOS Template (Juniper) Secure JUNOS BGP Template (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Templates, Loose and Strict (Cisco) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Loose (Juniper) Ingress Prefix Filter Template, Strict (Juniper) BGP Bogon route-server * RADb fltr-unallocated fltr-martian fltr-bogons DNS Bogon (bogons.cymru.com) zone Monitoring Bogon prefix monitoring * All of the bogon peers have received the appropriate BGP prefix updates. Please feel free to contact Team Cymru with any comments, questions, or concerns. We hope to see you in [sunny|warm|no snow] Miami! :) Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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Re: "Third Level" domains not patented
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

>Uh, no, that's not what the article said and it's not what the patent, >which is linked from the article, says. The patent is on the tiny >tweak of selling matching e-mail addresses and domains (it says URLs >but their examples show domains) of the form argle(a)bargle.tld and >argle.bargle.tld. I'm sure there is prior art from the discussions in 1996 but I can't remember enough details to dig that up. However here is something from 2 Jan 1997 that is clearly prior art for the selling personal domain names to people in the form first.last.something. http://listes.cru.fr/wws/arc/isoc.nommage/1997-01/msg00017.html Pass it on to anyone else who may be interested. --Michael Dillon

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Re: "Third Level" domains patented?
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

>According to the article, somebody maanged to patent the selling of >www.something.somethng.com. Which seems a bit assanine to me, since the >ISP I worked for in 1993 offered custoemrs www.customer.ccnet.com. >As much as I dislike Verisign, this is silly. Agreed. Here is some of my prior art from 1996 http://www.gtld-mou.org/gtld-discuss/mail-archive/01815.html and I may have mentioned it even earlier than this. I also consulted for the GNR during their application for the .NAME registry so there is a direct connection between the idea published in 1996 and the current .NAME registry which is the subject of the Verisign lawsuit. --Michael Dillon

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Re: PC Routers (was Re: /24s run amuck)
by neil＠DOMINO.ORG 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

> As I remember, it used commercial gated. It used a heavily modifed public that IEng worked on. The guys at IEng were fantastic and did a huge amount of fixing and feature adding of features. I think Cisco bought IEng. Regards, Neil.

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

This report has been generated at Fri Jan 16 21:47:34 2004 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 09-01-04 129599 90707 10-01-04 129356 90679 11-01-04 129333 90639 12-01-04 129384 90638 13-01-04 129403 90939 14-01-04 129391 90995 15-01-04 129533 90914 16-01-04 129605 90920 AS Summary 16399 Number of ASes in routing system 6577 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1381 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS701 : ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 73450752 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS568 : SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 16Jan04 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 129677 90936 38741 29.9% All ASes AS4323 677 206 471 69.6% TW-COMM Time Warner Communications, Inc. AS6197 772 304 468 60.6% BATI-ATL BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS701 1381 958 423 30.6% ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS7018 1377 955 422 30.6% ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services AS7843 510 122 388 76.1% ADELPHIA-AS Adelphia Corp. AS4134 676 302 374 55.3% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS27364 379 34 345 91.0% ACS-INTERNET Armstrong Cable Services AS6198 546 219 327 59.9% BATI-MIA BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS22909 328 17 311 94.8% DNEO-OSP1 Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS22773 331 31 300 90.6% CCINET-2 Cox Communications Inc. Atlanta AS1239 953 669 284 29.8% SPRINTLINK Sprint AS4355 380 100 280 73.7% ERMS-EARTHLNK EARTHLINK, INC AS9583 294 25 269 91.5% SATYAMNET-AS Satyam Infoway Ltd., AS1221 906 653 253 27.9% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd AS17676 291 43 248 85.2% GIGAINFRA Softbank BB Corp. AS6347 330 83 247 74.8% DIAMOND SAVVIS Communications Corporation AS25844 243 16 227 93.4% SKADDEN1 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS6140 353 129 224 63.5% IMPSAT-USA ImpSat AS209 724 509 215 29.7% ASN-QWEST Qwest AS14654 209 3 206 98.6% WAYPORT Wayport AS6478 257 53 204 79.4% ATT-INTERNET3 AT&T WorldNet Services AS11305 234 41 193 82.5% INTERLAND-NET1 Interland Incorporated AS2386 416 226 190 45.7% INS-AS AT&T Data Communications Services AS4519 199 17 182 91.5% MAAS Maas Communications AS6327 205 28 177 86.3% SHAW Shaw Communications Inc. AS20115 578 408 170 29.4% CHARTER-NET-HKY-NC Charter Communications AS9929 196 28 168 85.7% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS15270 206 39 167 81.1% AS-PAETEC-NET PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS2048 249 84 165 66.3% LANET-1 State of Louisiana AS5668 323 159 164 50.8% AS-5668 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. Total 14523 6461 8062 55.5% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 ANDARA-HSI Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 61.12.32.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 61.12.34.0/24 AS7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet Pty Ltd 64.62.126.0/23 AS25700 SWIFTDESK SWIFTDESK VENTURE 65.61.96.0/20 AS30340 ASN-LLIP Liberty Lake Internet Portal 66.41.192.0/18 AS13367 CCCH-AS3 Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc 66.114.0.0/19 AS16526 BIRCH-TELECOM Birch Telecom, Inc. 66.114.28.0/24 AS15083 INFOLINK-MIA-US Infolink Communication Services, Inc. 66.114.29.0/24 AS15083 INFOLINK-MIA-US Infolink Communication Services, Inc. 66.114.30.0/24 AS15083 INFOLINK-MIA-US Infolink Communication Services, Inc. 66.114.31.0/24 AS15083 INFOLINK-MIA-US Infolink Communication Services, Inc. 69.8.128.0/17 AS7260 NORLIGHT Norlight Telecommunications 132.0.0.0/10 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 137.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 138.136.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 158.0.0.0/13 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.43.230.0/24 AS4738 SAARDNET-AS South Australian Academic Research and Development Network 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA 192.64.84.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.16.0/20 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.32.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.64.0/19 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.96.0/22 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.83.100.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.71.0/24 AS719 AS719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.136.79.0/24 AS719 AS719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.153.144.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.172.0.0/19 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.188.208.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALIN-AS Palin Aquisitions Inc. 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.41.194.0/24 AS1982 ASN-NWNEXUS Northwest Nexus Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.80.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-CSTLNET-AS Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.192.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.97.240.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.101.4.0/22 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCNET Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY-NET CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GROUPTLCOM GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MBNET-AS Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ALLST-15290 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS-AS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 BCNET-AS University of British Columbia 199.84.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.128.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.136.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1913 DLA4 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NEXTLEVELINTERNET NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.0.0/18 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.16.0/20 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.123.80.0/21 AS568 SUMNET-AS DISO-UNRRA 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 200.120.0.0/16 AS22047 CL-VPNS-LACNIC VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A. 202.47.1.0/24 AS7491 PI-PH-AS-AP PI-PHILIPINES 202.70.0.0/20 AS4658 NETFRONT-AS NETFRONT I.T. LIMITED (HONG KONG) 202.70.16.0/22 AS17888 SINGTEL-HK SingTel Hong Kong Limited 202.70.240.0/20 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.72.112.0/22 AS22351 INTELSAT-1 INTELSAT 202.73.128.0/22 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.86.128.0/24 AS4755 VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System 202.86.142.0/24 AS30362 HPT-ASN Hawaii-Pacific Teleport 202.86.171.0/24 AS4755 VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System 202.86.172.0/23 AS4755 VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System 202.86.190.0/24 AS4750 loxley-th Loxley Information Co., Ltd. 202.122.76.0/24 AS17553 TIMELESS-AP System Integration provider 202.133.3.0/24 AS9335 CIP-JAPAN-AS-AP ATT IPlus 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 APNIC-AS-2-BLOCK Asia Pacific Network Information Centre 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.76.224.0/24 AS9549 COMDEK-ISP-AS-AP Comdek ISP 203.86.2.0/23 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 203.132.95.0/24 AS9787 CONCEPT-AU-AP Concept Networks 203.132.97.0/24 AS7652 VIANET-AS-AP Vianet Communications Pty Ltd 203.132.107.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.108.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.111.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.118.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.122.0/24 AS4802 WANTREE-AS-AP Wantree Development 203.132.123.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.124.0/24 AS18065 CENTRALDATA-WA Central Data Pty Ltd. 203.132.125.0/24 AS4817 TECHEX1-AS-AP Techex Primary Netblock 203.135.99.0/24 AS2687 IBM-MMD-AS IBM 204.19.224.0/19 AS816 UUNET-AS4 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 204.69.144.0/22 AS5668 AS-5668 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBIT Exobit Networks Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 ALTERNET-AS UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.41.32.0/19 AS14824 NEWSOUTH NewSouth Communications Corp. 206.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 206.108.34.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.108.35.0/24 AS852 ASN852 Telus Advanced Communications 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQ-AS Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ALLST-15290 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 207.162.192.0/19 AS4589 EASYNET Easynet Group Plc 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA NuNet Inc 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 JOVITA Sentris Network LLC 209.87.192.0/20 AS15290 ALLST-15290 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 209.169.219.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.169.223.0/24 AS189 GENUITY-AS189 Genuity 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRITON Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.196.192.0/19 AS1784 GNAPS Global NAPs Networks 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.51.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.55.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.56.0/24 AS10629 INTERPAC Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.222.137.0/24 AS27429 TIL Telesat International Ltd. 209.240.96.0/19 AS10815 KCNET KCnet, Inc. 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM SISCOM, Inc 209.251.64.0/19 AS10266 NETWAY-AS MDC, Inc. 210.213.0.0/19 AS6453 GIEUROPE Teleglobe America Inc. 216.18.224.0/21 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.224.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.228.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS IMBRIS, INC. 216.36.46.0/24 AS7176 GENUITY-AS7176 Genuity 216.36.47.0/24 AS7176 GENUITY-AS7176 Genuity 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 AT&T WorldNet Services Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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SpamConference 2004
by Michael Wiacek 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Hey everyone, anyone plan on stopping by the 2004 SpamConference at MIT tomorrow? I got into Boston tonight, and man is it cold. Hopefully it will have as good a turnout this year as it did last. mike wiacek.

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Juno.com Mail/Abuse contact?
by Mark Foster 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Sorry again for the noise folks. Have not been able to get hold of anyone @ juno.com through normal channels. If anyone here is from juno.com Security or Abuse could you please contact me offlist please, with regard to an email delivery issue. Cheers Mark.

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RE: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering
by H. Michael Smith, Jr. 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

For the record... I have first hand knowledge that KSA's filtering is not too effective. I'll abstain from the ethics/moral discussion. -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Vadim Antonov Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 8:35 PM To: Randy Bush Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Re: interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Randy Bush wrote: > i was helping get the link up into kacst (their nsf equivalent) in > ryadh back in '94, and a rather grownup friend there, Abdulaziz A. > Al Muammar, who had his phd from the states and all that, explained > it to me something like this way. > > yes, to a westerner, our ways of shielding our society seem silly, > and sometimes even worse. but tell me, how do we liberalize and > open the culture without becoming like the united states [0]? > > not an easy problem. considering the *highly* offensive material > that arrives in my mailbox (and i do not mean clueless nanog > ravings:-), my sympathy for abdulaziz increases monotonically. Installing a whitelisting and challenge-response mail filer on my box reduced amount of spam to nearly zero. I mostly get spam through the e2e list nowadays. The solution to "high offensiveness" is to grow up and stop behaving like the sight of some physiological function is going to kill us. It is offensive only because the offended party thinks that the world should be a sterile place, and instead of concluding that the sender of the "offensive" material is a tasteless moron and moving on decides to wage a war against human nature. > so perhaps we should ask, rather than ranting, how do we, the > self-appointed ubergeeks of the net, think we can clean up our own > back yards, before we start talking about how others maintain > theirs? Maybe we should stop whining when others refuse to accept mail from total unknowns without those unknowns making a small token effort to prove their willingness to hold a civilized conversation? I certainly don't care what they want to read or see. Or send, for that matter. None of my business. > [0] - which, americans need to realize is, to much of the civilized > world, the barbarian hordes, sodom, and gomorrah rolled into > one To much of the civilized world (and, besides Europe and Japan, no other places qualify, sorry) Americans look like neurotic prudes who have a peculiar hang-up on sex and deep inferiority complex compelling them to unceasingly seek affirmations of their "superiority". Much of what goes for "offensive" in US won't get an eyebrow raised in Paris or Amsterdam. In fact, the more likely reaction would be "how boringly lame". As for the arabian friend who seeks to control what his compatriots are allowed to see, I'd say that his sensibilities are his own problem, and that if he wished to impose them on _me_ I'd tell him to mind his own business, possibly augmenting my message with appropriate degree of violence. --vadim

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interesting article on Saudi Arabia's http filtering
by Eric Kuhnke 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/01/12/2147220 RIYADH, Saudi Arabia -- Eyas S. Al-Hejery, PhD, may be the only computer geek in Saudi Arabia to have had the eyes of the world focus on his work. That's because he's head of the country's Internet Service Unit, which runs the country's infamous Web-censoring system that is supposed to defend Saudi citizens from "those pages of an offensive or harmful nature to the society, and which violate the tenants [sic] of the Islamic religion or societal norms." ...... And if he fails, what with the fact that sending all Internet traffic in the whole country through a single chokepoint obviously creates a single point of failure, all Net traffic in Saudi Arabia stops.

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