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71/8 and 72/8 reminder/plea
by Jerimiah Cole 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Friendly reminder that ARIN has been allocating from 71/8 and 72/8 since August. If you have static bogon filters, PLEASE make sure they are updated. Jerimiah Tularosa Communications

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Deutch
by Richard J. Sears 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Can someone from Deutsch Telecom please contact me off list. Thanks ****************************************** Richard J. Sears Vice President American Internet Services ---------------------------------------------------- rsears(a)adnc.com http://www.adnc.com ---------------------------------------------------- 858.576.4272 - Phone 858.427.2401 - Fax INOC-DBA - 6130 ---------------------------------------------------- I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . "Work like you don't need the money, love like you've never been hurt and dance like you do when nobody's watching."

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RE: EFF whitepaper
by Miller, Mark 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Well-written or not, this piece has a vague odor of blaming the victim for the crime. To cite the specific example quoted below, if cash-hungry spam havens like China, Korea and others took action locally to reduce the "spam-friendly" nature of many of their online providers, the filtering fickle middle finger of fate would not be pointed at them as a geographical entity. I mean, if 40% of my spam comes from or through China, then of course I will be more wary of accepting mail from there. Profiling isn't a problem of free speech, it is a simple matter of statistics. It's a bad craftsman that blames his tools. These utilities are specifically designed to operate in the online environment we find ourselves in. Perhaps it is the environment that needs changing, not the way we protect ourselves from it. - Mark ------------------------------------ Spam Assassin, a popular program that does ad hoc pattern matching, assigns "points" to various features of an email to determine whether it is spam. The higher the number of points, the more likely it will be sent to the spam folder or discarded. Points can be assigned for everything from country of origin to certain words or subject headers. One of the major problems with this system is that messages from certain countries - like China, for example - can be blocked purely on the basis of where they come from and what language they're in The implications for free speech here are very troubling indeed: a human rights group communicating with people in China may find that their bulk email is blocked, and thus anti-spam technology unintentionally works as a political censorship mechanism. Of course, this is only a problem when end users are not given control over how points are assigned, and what will be done with messages that get "high" or "low" marks. Spam Assassin and programs like it can be configured to give users more control.

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ARIN 2002-3 statistics
by Leslie Nobile 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

A recent question has come up on this list regarding the number of organizations that have qualified for IPv4 addresses under policy 2002-3 "Address Policy for Multi-homed Networks. Since its implementation in May 2004, ARIN has been tracking the number of allocations and assignments (/21s and /22s) made under this policy very closely. Here are the statistics as of Oct. 31, 2004: # of Organizations qualified: 80 # of Allocations to ISPs 61 # of Assignments to End Users: 27 Regards, Leslie Nobile Director, Registration Services American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) leslie(a)arin.net

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RE: I want my own IPs
by James Laszko 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

The general rule of thumb for ARIN IP space is that if you need IP independence, you can't have it. <g> You've basically got to have around 16 /24's utilized before ARIN will do anything for you. Once you're at this point, they'll give you a /20 to renumber everyone, but will reserve a contiguous /19 for you if you can justify that you'll use it within the next 3-6 months. It's a real fun Catch-22. :) James Laszko Pipeline Communications, Inc. james(a)pcipros.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Philip Lavine Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:22 AM To: nanog Subject: I want my own IPs I have recently been turned down by ARIN for an address block. I currently have 4 /24's from ISP's and would like IP independence. How do I convince ARIN to give me a block -- /20 I guess? The form I filled out does not make it easy. Philip __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com

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Summary of 3Com switches
by Dan Lockwood 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

These responses capture the essence of the messages that I received on the topic. Thanks for all your input. "If your looking for big dumb cheap devices to just move data around a big switched network, 3com is your vendor. If you plan on doing anything fancier than SNMP, best look elsewhere. " "I worked with 7700 and 7700Rs, along with the new 3xxx series, and all I can say summarizes to simple: don't do it. There is Cisco, Enterasys, Allied Telesyn, but 3COM is just tumbling down. Line cards for 7700 are seriously limited in functionality, current Supervisor can't do wire (8Gbit/s FD) duplex on all cards simultaneusly, and the 7700R marketed "few seconds failover" goes up to 5-6 minutes which is actually longer than booting the switch from cold dead state. The BGP sucks, and OSPF sucks even more (it can kill whole switch in certain situations I can't speak of at the moment). Same thing is with the routers - 3000 and 5000 suck, the 6000 suck even more (1 ATM OC3 interface with 30Mbit/s worth of traffic generates 85% of CPU load on 6080 and router begins to drop traffic..." --------------------^ This guy went and bought C gear. "Well, they aren't service provider switches - they are enterprise focused, and have a very iffy SP feature set. They are also Huwei boxes, rebadged. This means they may (or may not) possess stolen intellectual property. "

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RE: I want my own IPs
by James Laszko 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

I'm just glad we were able to get our allocation from them. If I hadn't been in this business for a decade and didn't have the wonderful personality that I have, it might have been impossible. <g> Those people over at the ARIN Helpdesk are an interesting crowd.... James -----Original Message----- From: Randy Bush [mailto:randy@psg.com] Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:08 AM To: James Laszko Cc: Bill Woodcock; Philip Lavine; nanog Subject: RE: I want my own IPs > Good to know. I always though it was a /21 or /20. I'm pretty sure > ARIN rules change with the weather, though. no. it's the downdraft from the black helicopters randy

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How to Blocking VoIP ( H.323) ?
by Joe Shen 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Hi, How could it be done to block VoIP at access router? I've thought about using ACL to block UDP port 1719,but this could be overcome by modifying protocol port number. regards Joe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Log on to Messenger with your mobile phone! http://sg.messenger.yahoo.com

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

This report has been generated at Fri Nov 12 21:44:35 2004 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 05-11-04 156315 103806 06-11-04 156228 103992 07-11-04 156318 103854 08-11-04 156312 102177 09-11-04 148311 102028 10-11-04 148405 102407 11-11-04 148646 102468 12-11-04 148794 102646 AS Summary 18360 Number of ASes in routing system 7492 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1406 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 86853120 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DNIC DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 12Nov04 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 148874 102650 46224 31.0% All ASes AS18566 751 6 745 99.2% CVAD Covad Communications AS4134 825 178 647 78.4% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS4323 794 223 571 71.9% TWTC Time Warner Telecom AS7018 1406 1002 404 28.7% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS6197 814 430 384 47.2% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS22773 401 17 384 95.8% CXA Cox Communications Inc. AS27364 413 45 368 89.1% ARMC Armstrong Cable Services AS701 1230 884 346 28.1% UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS22909 412 81 331 80.3% CMCS Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS6478 426 98 328 77.0% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS1239 930 620 310 33.3% SPRN Sprint AS17676 372 63 309 83.1% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS9929 335 33 302 90.1% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS7843 497 208 289 58.1% ADELPH-13 Adelphia Corp. AS4355 384 99 285 74.2% ERSD EARTHLINK, INC AS4766 531 268 263 49.5% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS14654 261 6 255 97.7% WAYPOR-3 Wayport AS21502 253 3 250 98.8% ASN-NUMERICABLE NUMERICABLE is a cabled network in France, AS9443 358 109 249 69.6% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS15557 361 121 240 66.5% LDCOMNET LDCOM NETWORKS AS6140 370 133 237 64.1% IMPSA ImpSat AS721 1023 792 231 22.6% DNIC DoD Network Information Center AS2386 849 620 229 27.0% ADCS-1 AT&T Data Communications Services AS25844 244 16 228 93.4% SASMFL-2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS1221 801 578 223 27.8% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd AS6198 435 221 214 49.2% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS4814 208 6 202 97.1% CHINA169-BBN CNCGROUP IP network¡ªChina169 Beijing Broadband Network AS5668 414 223 191 46.1% CIH-12 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS15270 226 36 190 84.1% PDP-14 PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS6517 300 116 184 61.3% YIPS Yipes Communications, Inc. Total 16624 7235 9389 56.5% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 AHSICHCL Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.38.0/24 AS25994 NPGCAB NPG Cable, INC 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 64.46.27.0/24 AS8674 NETNOD-IX Netnod Internet Exchange Sverige AB 64.57.160.0/19 AS3561 CWU Cable & Wireless USA 64.92.128.0/19 AS3561 CWU Cable & Wireless USA 64.127.0.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 64.209.192.0/18 AS3561 CWU Cable & Wireless USA 69.26.32.0/19 AS17307 VIRTEL-15 Virtela Communications 132.0.0.0/10 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 138.136.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 158.0.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.127.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCC-2 National Research Council of Canada 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS4004 GLOBALONE-EQUANT-UK Equant UK & Greece Autonomous System 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALINA Palin Aquisitions Inc. 196.2.95.0/24 AS8668 TELONE-AS TelOne Zimbabwe P/L 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLAT-7 Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-1 Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.247.0/24 AS3475 DEPART-52 Department of the Navy 198.101.4.0/22 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCBCC Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GTGR GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 AGTA Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MRN Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INS-51 Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASK SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 UBC-3 University of British Columbia 199.96.44.0/23 AS19092 360NE-1 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.96.46.0/24 AS19092 360NE-1 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.136.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 DISAUN DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NXLI NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST IQuest Internet 199.197.8.0/22 AS21814 PARSON-18 Parsons Corp. 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.47.1.0/24 AS7491 PI-PH-AS-AP PI-PHILIPINES 202.70.28.0/24 AS4515 ERX-STAR Star Internet Services Ltd. 202.72.64.0/21 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.64.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.65.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.66.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.67.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.68.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.69.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.70.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.71.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.72.0/21 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.72.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.73.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.74.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.75.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.76.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.77.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.78.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.72.79.0/24 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 202.73.128.0/22 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.160.128.0/23 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.131.0/24 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.132.0/22 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.136.0/22 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.142.0/24 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.144.0/24 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.145.0/24 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.146.0/24 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.147.0/24 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.148.0/22 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.156.0/23 AS9282 LEXICON-AS Lexicon Systems Pty Ltd 202.160.158.0/23 AS17642 RDSL-NATIONAL-AS Request Broadband BGP AS number 202.164.128.0/19 AS9654 CYBERSPACE-AP P/H Padilla Bldg., Emerald Avenue 202.164.224.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.84.192.0/19 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 203.84.192.0/20 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 203.84.208.0/20 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 203.99.0.0/19 AS17746 ORCONINTERNET-NZ-AP Orcon Internet 203.170.14.0/23 AS6648 ASN-SKYINTERNET Autonomous System Number peering of Sky Internet - BAYANTEL Inc. - Philppines 203.210.69.0/24 AS17536 PRODIGY-AS-AP Prodidgy Telecommunications 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBI Exobit Networks Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQR-3 Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL-33 Telesat International Ltd. 206.253.190.0/23 AS8123 POLYBA Polybase 207.47.254.0/24 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETI NuNet Inc 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 SNL-8 Sentris Network LLC 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRTI Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.48.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.49.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM-1 SISCOM, Inc 216.37.110.0/23 AS4264 CERFN California Education and Research Federation Network 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 216.145.156.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.158.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.176.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.177.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.178.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.184.0/21 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.200.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.171.96.0/20 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.151.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.152.0/21 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.160.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.164.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.192.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.198.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.248.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org swinog(a)swinog.ch

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RE: The Cidr Report
by Geoff Huston 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Interestingly enough what Covad appears to be saying is: If we had a way to announce two things 1 - here are the advertisements for covering aggregates for Covad AND 2 - do not believe any more specifics for these address blocks, as they are NOT part of Covad's routing policy for these prefixes then we would not be seeing this unfortunate case of unauthorized route leakage being resolved in a way that seems to have unfortunate bgp implications in terms of more specifics appearing. So its an interesting question. How could Covad achieve a routing policy announcement of the form as stated in 2 above? regards, Geoff

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