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Re: Extraneous "legal" babble--and my reaction to it.
by Scott Weeks 08 Sep '15

08 Sep '15

--- rdrake(a)direcpath.com wrote: From: Robert Drake <rdrake(a)direcpath.com> Maybe people could adopt an unofficial-official end-of-signature flag. Then you could have procmail strip everything after the flag: ----------------------------------------- It could be much easier. Folks that care about the mailing list rules, want to be courteous to list folks and want to use their company email, rather than one that inserts no disclaimer, could put 15 lines of blank as part of their signature. This would force all the crap far enough down the page that it wouldn't be bothersome. scott

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Re: Extraneous "legal" babble--and my reaction to it.
by Scott Weeks 06 Sep '15

06 Sep '15

--- larrysheldon(a)cox.net wrote: From: Larry Sheldon <larrysheldon(a)cox.net> On 9/6/2015 14:18, Scott Weeks wrote: > --- rdrake(a)direcpath.com wrote: > From: Robert Drake <rdrake(a)direcpath.com> > > Maybe people could adopt an unofficial-official > end-of-signature flag. Then you could have > procmail strip everything after the flag: > ----------------------------------------- > > It could be much easier. Folks that care about the > mailing list rules, want to be courteous to list > folks and want to use their company email, rather > than one that inserts no disclaimer, could put 15 > lines of blank as part of their signature. This > would force all the crap far enough down the page > that it wouldn't be bothersome. Since nobody uses Telebit Trailblazers anymore--that is probably not a bad idea. ------------------------------------------- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times_They_Are_a-Changin'_%28song%29 :-) scott

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Re: Software Defined Networking
by Larry Sheldon 06 Sep '15

06 Sep '15

On 9/4/2015 09:40, Rod Beck wrote: > Can anyone provide references on this top so I can educate myself? > > This e-mail and any attachments thereto is intended only for use by > the addressee(s) named herein and may be proprietary and/or legally > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you > are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying > of this email, and any attachments thereto, without the prior written > permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you receive this > e-mail in error, please immediately telephone or e-mail the sender > and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of this e-mail, > and any printout thereof. All documents, contracts or agreements > referred or attached to this e-mail are SUBJECT TO CONTRACT. The > contents of an attachment to this e-mail may contain software viruses > that could damage your own computer system. While Hibernia Networks > has taken every reasonable precaution to minimize this risk, we > cannot accept liability for any damage that you sustain as a result > of software viruses. You should carry out your own virus checks > before opening any attachment. > All of that for 11 1/2 words? Ineducable. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)

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Re: Extraneous "legal" babble--and my reaction to it.
by Larry Sheldon 06 Sep '15

06 Sep '15

On 9/6/2015 14:18, Scott Weeks wrote: > > > --- rdrake(a)direcpath.com wrote: > From: Robert Drake <rdrake(a)direcpath.com> > > Maybe people could adopt an unofficial-official > end-of-signature flag. Then you could have > procmail strip everything after the flag: > ----------------------------------------- > > > It could be much easier. Folks that care about the > mailing list rules, want to be courteous to list > folks and want to use their company email, rather > than one that inserts no disclaimer, could put 15 > lines of blank as part of their signature. This > would force all the crap far enough down the page > that it wouldn't be bothersome. Since nobody uses Telebit Trailblazers anymore--that is probably not a bad idea. -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)

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Re: Extraneous "legal" babble--and my reaction to it.
by Larry Sheldon 06 Sep '15

06 Sep '15

On 9/6/2015 11:46, Robert Drake wrote: > Maybe people could adopt an unofficial-official end-of-signature flag. > Then you could have procmail strip everything after the flag: > -- > This is my signature > My phone number goes here > I like dogs > -- end of signature -- > Everything below here and to the right of here was inserted by my > mailserver, which is run by lawyers who don't understand you can't > enforce contracts through emails to public mailing lists. Please delete > if you're not the intended recipient. > > > Of course, when you route around something like this it usually comes > back 10 fold, but maybe if it became worthless they might do things the > right way and put stuff like this in email headers. > > X-Optional-Flags: Delete-if-not-intended-recipient, > might-contain-secret-company-information-we-didn't-bother-to-encrypt > > Then let the email clients try to work out what that means. Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block I thought that was in rfc 2822, but I can not find it. > -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)

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Extraneous "legal" babble--and my reaction to it.
by Larry Sheldon 06 Sep '15

06 Sep '15

Y'all can stop thumping on me about it "because it is required by the employer". After contemplating my navel for a while, it dawned on me that my sensitivity is due to an old wound. Years ago, Faculty, Staff, Students, and myriad others more or less loosely connected with my employer complained that they could never make contact with me. As a defensive measure (among others) I crafted a .sig that contained all of the telephone numbers and email addresses by which I could be reached (included a pager number) 7 x 24 x 52 with (guaranteed) no more than 20 minute delay. It ran to 7 lines, including the dash dash space EOL protocol sentinel. I was banned from NANOG because of the excessive length. (And yes, I got banned for other things at other times as well, mostly having to to do with trying to protect the network I administered from abuse.) -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)

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Re: internet visualization
by Larry Sheldon 06 Sep '15

06 Sep '15

On 9/5/2015 19:15, Jared Mauch wrote: > > OT: hit delete, or shameless plug disclaimer > > one of my colleagues just posted this visualiation > of the internet from the as_path view of 2914. if you are on > a mobile, you have to physically move your device around. > > http://as2914.net/ > > If you love it, send Job your accolades. If you hate it, > see above disclaimer. If in a country with a holiday on monday, > enjoy it safely. FarOUT! Outstanding. Please forward my accolades. (Is a "you are here" possible?) > > - Jared > -- sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Juvenal)

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weather.gov invalid ssl cert
by Grant Ridder 05 Sep '15

05 Sep '15

If someone that works with or knows someone who works with weather.gov (National Weather Service) please take a look at this. I did a whois on weather.gov and there is no contact info. www.weather.gov is serving an akami cert weather.gov is serving a NWS SAN cert that does not cover weather.gov (includes www though) username@hostname ~ $ echo quit | openssl s_client -connect weather.gov:443 | openssl x509 -text depth=3 /C=US/O=The Go Daddy Group, Inc./OU=Go Daddy Class 2 Certification Authority verify error:num=19:self signed certificate in certificate chain verify return:0 DONE Certificate: Data: Version: 3 (0x2) Serial Number: 07:a2:c1:cb:fa:c1:18 Signature Algorithm: sha256WithRSAEncryption Issuer: C=US, ST=Arizona, L=Scottsdale, O=GoDaddy.com, Inc., OU= http://certs.godaddy.com/repository/, CN=Go Daddy Secure Certificate Authority - G2 Validity Not Before: Nov 13 20:54:35 2014 GMT Not After : Nov 17 17:33:22 2015 GMT Subject: OU=Domain Control Validated, CN=ucc.weather.gov Subject Public Key Info: Public Key Algorithm: rsaEncryption RSA Public Key: (2048 bit) Modulus (2048 bit): 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Signature, Key Encipherment X509v3 CRL Distribution Points: URI:http://crl.godaddy.com/gdig2s1-87.crl X509v3 Certificate Policies: Policy: 2.16.840.1.114413.1.7.23.1 CPS: http://certificates.godaddy.com/repository/ Authority Information Access: OCSP - URI:http://ocsp.godaddy.com/ CA Issuers - URI: http://certificates.godaddy.com/repository/gdig2.crt X509v3 Authority Key Identifier: keyid:40:C2:BD:27:8E:CC:34:83:30:A2:33:D7:FB:6C:B3:F0:B4:2C:80:CE X509v3 Subject Alternative Name: DNS:ucc.weather.gov, DNS:www.ucc.weather.gov, DNS: alerts.weather.gov, DNS:nwschat.weather.gov, DNS:vpn.weather.gov, DNS: www.weather.gov X509v3 Subject Key Identifier: 01:7D:76:D9:61:68:EB:50:F7:C4:26:02:DC:94:56:62:45:0B:5B:58 Signature Algorithm: sha256WithRSAEncryption 96:4e:70:45:46:f8:69:80:48:b8:88:86:cd:06:2b:7b:d6:f1: 6b:0b:d8:89:ab:e8:9a:c0:f1:a8:99:0c:69:45:f8:a7:fb:ef: af:b3:6b:0d:41:bd:4d:3c:76:11:10:89:fa:8f:12:a5:47:27: 50:44:e7:37:93:f3:6b:84:f2:66:34:0d:99:69:13:da:dd:08: 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Re: Software Defined Networking
by Scott Weeks 05 Sep '15

05 Sep '15

--- ignactro(a)gmail.com wrote: From: Ignacio de castro <ignactro(a)gmail.com> For a more academic perspective: "Software-defined networking: A comprehensive survey" http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpls/abs_all.jsp?arnumber=6994333&tag=1 ------------------------------------------ Can't read it. They suck: You have been redirected to this page for one of the following reasons: Either cookies are not enabled on your browser or Your network configuration is causing cookies to be lost or not function properly. IEEE Xplore requires cookies to maintain sessions and to access licensed content. Cookies are used temporarily to maintain sessions in IEEE Xplore and for no other purpose. The cookies will not persist after a session ends. Please change your browser settings to accept cookies before you access IEEE Xplore. scott

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Re: NetFlow - path from Routers to Collector
by freedman＠freedman.net 05 Sep '15

05 Sep '15

(Jared wrote): <snip> > Most people I've seen have little data or insight into their > networks, or don't have the level that they would desire as > tools are expensive or impossible to justify due to capital costs. > Tossing in a recurring opex cost of DC XC fee + transport + XC fee + > redundant aggregation often doesn't have the ROI you infer here. > I've put together some models in this area. It seems to me the > DC/real estate companies involved could make a lot (more) money by > offering an OOB service that is 10Mb/s flat-rate for the same as an XC > fee and compete with their customers. Equinix does have a very aggressively priced 10Mb/s flat-rate OOB (single IP only but that's not that hard to work around) for essentially XC pricing. It's been stable but not something you'd rely on for 100% packet delivery to some other point on the Internet (so more for reaching a per-pop OOB than for making a coherent OOB network with a bunch of monitoring running 24x7). Still, it's a good value for what it is. <snip> > - Jared Avi Freedman CEO, Kentik avi at kentik dot com

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