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NIC IP group - new phone #
by Einar Bohlin 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

Hello, The Domain Registration group moved to a new building this weekend and took the phone number with them. The IP Group at the InterNIC has a new phone number: (703) 742-4700. FYI we do IP and AS number registration, network inverse mapping (IN-ADDR), and SWIP. Regards, Einar Bohlin IP Numbers Group InterNIC Registration Services /edb =================================================================== email einarb(a)internic.net phone (703) 742-4700 ===================================================================

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Woes PSI & AT&T
by Golan Ben-Oni 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

FYI, I just had to setup a filter on path 174 2713 5727 : Network Next Hop Metric LocPrf Weight Path *> 9.2.0.0/16 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 701 1673 1675 1747 i * i 192.41.177.245 230 100 0 174 2713 5727 701 1673 1675 1747 i *> 12.64.0.0/12 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 5074 i * 206.34.91.137 0 1 174 2713 5727 5074 i * i 192.41.177.245 230 100 0 174 2713 5727 5074 i ..etc *> 132.72.0.0/14 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 701 2685 2686 3339 378 i *> 132.76.0.0/15 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 701 2685 2686 3339 378 i *> 132.81.0.0 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 1 568 724 ? h 132.82.0.0/15 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 1 568 i h 132.84.0.0/14 204.6.110.1 200 174 2713 5727 1 568 i

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Re: Internet outages
by Sean Donelan 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

>Come on folk. The useful, as opposed to ISP-bashing, answers are: > > o All ISPs have an outage mailing list. Ask your ISP to get on theirs. I agree. Tell your ISP you want an outage mailing list, and you would like it if the ISP actually posted outage information to that list. I got back on the Sprint list, my subscription having vanished, and Sprint list has improved a lot. CNN and http://www.news.com/ still seem to "scoop" most providers though. > o For overall info, Stan Barber is running an outage mailing list. I just checked my subscription, and I think I'm still subscribed to it. But I haven't seen anything posted on outage-discuss(a)academ.com since last year. The last thing I remember was a brief announcement of Craig's Inter-Provider Notification web pages. The outage list hosted by dal.net seems to have more traffic, although a lot of it obviously involves dal.net IRC servers.

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cache parms
by randy＠psg.com 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

Is anyone aware of *specific* cache sites which forcefully ignore page expiration in a way which would throw off content providers' hit counting? If so, I would like to talk with the cache admin to understand a few things. randy

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Notes completed
by sob＠academ.com 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

All Notes are now on line. I may still get some slides from speakers, but that's all I am missing now. http://www.academ.com/nanog/june1997 -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob(a)academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.

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Re: Internet outages
by Joseph C. Pistritto 16 Jun '97

16 Jun '97

This really depends on how important you are to your provider as well. We're a fairly large customer for at least one of our ISPs, so they tend to tell us about things as they happen (we also have a "bottom line" requirement here to be up, so we active reroute traffic from one ISP to another as things happen). In reality, it's T3 customers and up that get this kind of service, and then only be special arrangement. Best, -jcp- At 02:53 PM 6/15/97 -0500, Sean Donelan wrote: >>Here's a question about the content of nanog (the list)... I was >>originally pointed to nanog as a place to hear about Internet >>outage/problems. Well, so far (over about a month), I think I've seen two > >In theory, you should be able to get this information from your >direct provider. While every written peering agreement I've seen >includes a paragraph about notifying other providers about scheduled >and unscheduled outages; it is rare in customer agreements. Unlike >the telephone, electrical, or nuclear industries; there is no government >reporting requirements. In the 'new' privatized Internet, it is up to >you to negotiate with your provider and for providers to negotiate >with each other. > >I've talked to a number of managers at large and small providers. They >say they don't see any "real" customer demand for this. "Real" being >defined in management terms "affecting the bottom line." > >The response for the engineers at those providers is also fairly >predicatable. The engineers say "Would you rather we spend the time >fixing the problem, or telling you there is a problem?" > >Fortunately there is a wide range of providers. If you look around, >I suspect you will find some providers are a bit more proactive about >informing their customers than others. >-- >Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO > Affiliation given for identification not representation >

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Friday's notes
by sob＠academ.com 15 Jun '97

15 Jun '97

The notes for Friday's talks at the June NANOG are all up and indexed. The notes for Thursday's talks are not yet completed. http://www.academ.com/nanog/june1997/index.html -- Stan | Academ Consulting Services |internet: sob(a)academ.com Olan | For more info on academ, see this |uucp: {mcsun|amdahl}!academ!sob Barber | URL- http://www.academ.com/academ |Opinions expressed are only mine.

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Re: Internet outages
by Sean Donelan 15 Jun '97

15 Jun '97

>Here's a question about the content of nanog (the list)... I was >originally pointed to nanog as a place to hear about Internet >outage/problems. Well, so far (over about a month), I think I've seen two In theory, you should be able to get this information from your direct provider. While every written peering agreement I've seen includes a paragraph about notifying other providers about scheduled and unscheduled outages; it is rare in customer agreements. Unlike the telephone, electrical, or nuclear industries; there is no government reporting requirements. In the 'new' privatized Internet, it is up to you to negotiate with your provider and for providers to negotiate with each other. I've talked to a number of managers at large and small providers. They say they don't see any "real" customer demand for this. "Real" being defined in management terms "affecting the bottom line." The response for the engineers at those providers is also fairly predicatable. The engineers say "Would you rather we spend the time fixing the problem, or telling you there is a problem?" Fortunately there is a wide range of providers. If you look around, I suspect you will find some providers are a bit more proactive about informing their customers than others. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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Re: Digital SNMP Pollable Thermometers
by Joseph C. Pistritto 15 Jun '97

15 Jun '97

At 04:38 PM 6/14/97 +0100, Alex.Bligh wrote: >> Mercedes-Benz automobiles also will have this feature through wireless >> access via the CAN-Bus. Outside air temperature, engine temperature and >> several passenger compartment comfort settings are accessible. > >IMHO parking a Merc inside your NOC to tell the temperature is overkill. > >Alex Bligh >Xara Networks > > Not at all. Consider it a mobile emergency backup generator with really good packaging. Oh, and of course, time and temperature indication. If I were still working for the US government, I bet I could even write the purchasing document for one. -jcp- PointCast Network > >

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Internet outages
by Lee Sweet 15 Jun '97

15 Jun '97

Here's a question about the content of nanog (the list)... I was originally pointed to nanog as a place to hear about Internet outage/problems. Well, so far (over about a month), I think I've seen two messages that were relayed from Sprint about more-or less real-time problem statuses. So, here's the question: is there any good (better :-) way to get real-time (or so) notification of nationwide or local problems? My point is that I run IP connectivity for a company of 200 heavy Internet users. Almost daily they ask (whiningly...) " I can't get to foo.edu. What's up" (or it's "Awful slow getting to foo.edu..."). Any good (timely and valid way) to tell the status of the 'net? (Now I do know about the Internet Weather sites, but I was originally looking for more along the Sprint announcements from all major network providers saying that there was trouble on the East Coast, etc. I'm not sure the Internet Weather site tells you the same thing, especially not real-time... Any pointers? Thanks! (Now, I'm not saying the list hasn't been informative, especially the dozens of messages about the DNS wars and NANOG politics! :-) I joined the list right then and stuck it out and glad to see it calmed down! --- Lee Sweet leesweet(a)propellernet.com

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