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Re: Geographic v. topological address allocation
by Tony Li 17 Nov '97

17 Nov '97

> What I was trying to postulate, unsuccessfully, there is no such > thing as an universal, optimal hierarchical addressing scheme. Sean, It's pretty much obvious that the obvious definition of 'optimality' can only be achieved if the topology is strictly hierarchical. Further, there is probably a 'maximal' addressing scheme for a given topology. But's only useful for the next 10 seconds that that topology continues to exist. ;-) The other point that I think you're trying to make is that the maximal hierarchy must follow the topology, and in some cases, this may actually cause addressing divisions to not follow organizational boundaries. Further, the organizations involved must be the ones to recognize this and follow thru appropriately. An interesting metric might be if the organization's min-cut-set bandwidth is exceeded by its regional access bandwidth. Tony

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please stop discussing spam on NANOG
by Alan Hannan 16 Nov '97

16 Nov '97

I've been on this mailing list for approximately 4 years. While the content rarely approaches academia, general discussions about network design, operation, and direction are appreciated. But, discussions about who allows spammers on, who doesn't, and why the do or don't, are in my opinion, out of line. Please censor yourselves, and don't blather about non-operational issues like SPAM and bad DNS habits. -alan

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Re: please stop discussing spam on NANOG
by Luke Parrish 16 Nov '97

16 Nov '97

I am going to add a "I agree" to that one... Luke At 02:30 PM 11/16/97 -0500, you wrote: > > I've been on this mailing list for approximately 4 years. > > While the content rarely approaches academia, general discussions > about network design, operation, and direction are appreciated. > > But, discussions about who allows spammers on, who doesn't, and > why the do or don't, are in my opinion, out of line. > > Please censor yourselves, and don't blather about non-operational > issues like SPAM and bad DNS habits. > > -alan > > >

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Re: Geographic v. topological address allocation
by Sean Donelan 16 Nov '97

16 Nov '97

>Not that I want to advocate uniform retail pricing structures - >my point is only that without such uniformity of retail structures >such 'follow the money' arguments as Sean presents here >quickly break down to a maze of twisty little passages. I agree that following the money doesn't always work. Personality seems to play a key part. I don't know how else to explain some of the decision making that went into some of today's network operation. People tend to view the problem in different ways depending on their background. What I was trying to postulate, unsuccessfully, there is no such thing as an universal, optimal hierarchical addressing scheme. I thought I had chosen examples from the opposite ends of the spectrum. I guess I wasn't extreme enough in my examples. Perhaps I should have used the ISBN hierarchy, a combination of language group, country and publisher prefix. I'm going to publish a million books, so I should get a 'big' publishers prefix. -- Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO Affiliation given for identification not representation

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by Jorge Amodio 16 Nov '97

16 Nov '97

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Re: AGIS Signing up New Spammers
by James K. Hood 15 Nov '97

15 Nov '97

Gary, To my knowledge, there is no filter concerning abuse.net on our mail server. Jim At 02:55 PM 11/14/97 -0800, you wrote: >Yo James! > >On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, James K. Hood wrote: > >> We have removed all filters except for >> one or two die-hard "forward all spam to AGIS with 10 copies to each >> employee and internal mailing list" sites. > >Does this include abuse.net? > >And before someone flames me, yes this affects my router! I have >blackholed all mail from agis net blocks. Using formulas posted >here on nanog. > >RGDS >GARY >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gary E. Miller Rellim 2680 Bayshore Pkwy, #202 Mountain View, CA 94043-1009 > gem(a)rellim.com Tel:+1(650)964-1186 Fax:+1(650)964-1176

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AS 7058 route announcements.
by Harold Willison 15 Nov '97

15 Nov '97

Earliar this afternoon, approx. 2:45pm est, a multihomed customer of ours introduced thousands of routes to us as being behind them. Needless to say, this cause some major routing instability. We immediately shut that connection and contacted the customer. We are in the process of switching from AS Path filters to prefix filters and this customer was still on the AS Path filter. Just thought you folks might like to know what happened. Sorry for any problems that this created. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* | Harold Willison AGIS Network Engineering | * Network Engineer 313-730-5151 * | News Admin. 313-730-1130 | | news(a)agis.net 24 hours a day, 7 days a week | * harold(a)agis.net noc(a)agis.net * | <bold><italic> <underline>http://www.agis.net</underline></italic></bold> |<bold><italic> </italic></bold>\*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*/

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Well done Sprint!
by Neil J. McRae 15 Nov '97

15 Nov '97

Wee after only about a year Sprint have lost the "/"'s! traceroute to www.sprint.net (204.117.214.13), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 router (194.70.50.129) 1.397 ms 1.2 ms 3.505 ms 2 gin-nyy-ac1.Teleglobe.net (207.45.199.245) 83.074 ms 82.97 ms 82.858 ms 3 sl-gw16-pen-2-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.164.61) 85.841 ms 85.247 ms 85.274 ms 4 208.28.7.25 (208.28.7.25) 103.272 ms 96.141 ms 88.932 ms 5 sl-bb6-pen-4-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.0.77) 87.373 ms 101.192 ms 94.284 ms 6 sl-bb3-pen-4-0-0-155M.sprintlink.net (144.232.0.73) 90.893 ms 86.522 ms 90.032 ms 7 sl-bb2-dc-5-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.8.2) 91.378 ms 90.434 ms 92.114 ms 8 sl-s1-dc-0-0.sprintlink.net (144.228.20.121) 92.608 ms 92.737 ms 92.398 ms 9 ftp.sprintlink.net (204.117.214.13) 98.038 ms * 90.365 ms -- Neil J. McRae. Alive and Kicking. Domino: In the glow of the night neil(a)DOMINO.ORG NetBSD/sparc: 100% SpF (Solaris protection Factor) Free the daemon in your <A HREF="http://www.NetBSD.ORG/">computer!</A>

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Re: AGIS Signing up New Spammers
by Phil Lawlor 14 Nov '97

14 Nov '97

James has gone home. The answer is no. At 02:55 PM 11/14/97 -0800, you wrote: >Yo James! > >On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, James K. Hood wrote: > >> We have removed all filters except for >> one or two die-hard "forward all spam to AGIS with 10 copies to each >> employee and internal mailing list" sites. > >Does this include abuse.net? > >And before someone flames me, yes this affects my router! I have >blackholed all mail from agis net blocks. Using formulas posted >here on nanog. > >RGDS >GARY >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Gary E. Miller Rellim 2680 Bayshore Pkwy, #202 Mountain View, CA 94043-1009 > gem(a)rellim.com Tel:+1(650)964-1186 Fax:+1(650)964-1176 > > Phil Lawlor President AGIS Voice - 313-730-1130 Fax - 313-563-6119

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