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Anyone planning to peer with these guys ?
by John R Levine 21 Nov '97

21 Nov '97

Showed up on a mailing list, reportedly sent by Walt Rines from a Hotmail account. If they set up their own network, that's A-OK with me unless, of course, someone foolishly connects it to the Internet. Regards, John Levine, postmaster(a)abuse.net, http://www.abuse.net, Trumansburg NY abuse.net postmaster --------- Cyber Promotions/Quantum Communications Press Release Spam Backbone Formed The "Spam King," Sanford Wallace, and Walt Rines Have incorporated their new bulk-email friendly backbone network For Immediate Release: Philadelphia 11/20/97-- Sanford Wallace, Walt Rines and an undisclosed third party have formed Global Technology Marketing, Inc. (GTMI). The new corporation will offer direct , high speed T-1 And T-3 Internet connections to companies that engage in mass commercial email. Currently, there are no other backbone providers that allow customers to send spam. GTMI will be offering connectivity contracts by the beginning of the next week. Sanford Wallace commented: "We are very excited about this new project. For the first time ever, Internet marketers will be encouraged to engage in direct advertising, a practice which is already accepted in the postal world." Walt Rines stated: "Finally, bulk emailers will have an opportunity to legitimize this new industry. We are going to prove that this explosive new market can be self-regulated." Technical Details: GTMI has established a national backbone which operates as a fully-meshed network operating at DS-3 speeds, and interconnecting, or "peering" with several other networks at undisclosed private peering points. Multiple Lucent 5E12 switches, capable of processing data using multiple protocols including Internet (IP) Protocol, will route the traffic through the network. Dr. Robert Elliot, Chief Technology Officer, was quoted as saying, "We are excited about employing the Lucent 5E12 switches in the new network architecture. It just proves that IP telephony is becoming a reality." More detailed information will follow within the week CONTACT INFO: Sanford Wallace: 215-628-9705 Walter Rines: 603-772-4096

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Re: Geographic v. topological address allocation
by Sean M. Doran 21 Nov '97

21 Nov '97

Sean Donelan <SEAN(a)SDG.DRA.COM> writes: > What I was trying to postulate, unsuccessfully, there is no such > thing as an universal, optimal hierarchical addressing scheme. I > thought I had chosen examples from the opposite ends of the spectrum. > I guess I wasn't extreme enough in my examples. Perhaps I should > have used the ISBN hierarchy, a combination of language group, country > and publisher prefix. I'm going to publish a million books, so I > should get a 'big' publishers prefix. You are confusing transport address (describing a location in a topology) with an object name (a book, a computer, a process running on a computer). An object name like an ISBN does not need to be hierarchical because they do not describe discrete locations. Introducing hierarchy improves managability and efficiency of databasing. Many hierarchies can be imposed on object names. IPv4 addresses and anything like them need to be hierarchical in sufficiently large networks because they do describe the location of one or more objects, and because flat addresses are known not to scale in large networks. Hierarchical routing is the only known means of scaling IP addresses as they exist now, and therefore the only hierarchy that can be imposed on IP addresses is strictly topological. The canonical object-describing database that is the roughly the analogue of the ISBN database is the DNS. (I hate analogies I hate analogies I hate analogies please don't use them). The DNS is also manifestly hiearchical, and that hierarchy introduced efficiency compared to the former flat ARPA namespace. Note that the DNS works with suffixes rather than prefixes, which is a cosmetic difference unless one is interested in doing binary sorts or tree-based searces, and that the DNS is variable-length, which is not a cosmetic difference from the ISBN. If you are a big organization and plan to have lots of objects you need a sufficient swathe of DNS names to describe them all. These in turn should resolve into LOCATORS which describe where in the Internet topology (as opposed to the corporate topology or the geographical topology) the objects can be reached. For example, one hierarchy of Internet object names is clock.org. Although cesium.clock.org and solar.clock.org are siblings in that hierarchy, they have very different IP addresses because they are located in different parts of the Internet topology. They should NOT have the same IP prefix as any attempt at that would introduce unnecessary inefficiency into the routing system. Remember: at each level of naming there can be different and completely disjoint hierarchies. There are scalability implications in all of them, most notably when the names used have size limits or are distributed non-hierarchically (like ethernet addresses or the COM domain). However, the important thing is that when a name is used as a LOCATOR in a topology, in order to be scalable that name must be related to that topology and in large networks must lend itself to aggregation in order to reduce the amount of information needed to have that locator be used throughout the network. Sean.

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Re: Proper procedure to change route advertisement
by tonyh＠noc.cbn.net.id 21 Nov '97

21 Nov '97

Thank you all for the help from ANS, MCI, BBN people. The trafic start flowing to/from ANS network. To recap my correspondense to them: the proper way to change route advertisement from /20 to /19: first add route object /19 to RADB advertise the new route /19 wait until it is propagated to the whole internet ( 3 days ) delete the old route object /20 stop advertise the old route /20 by doing this there should be minimal unreachable network. any comment, suggestion ? Thank you again for your help. Tony S. Hariman http://www.tsh.or.id Tel: +62(21)574-2488 Fax: +62(21)574-2481

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Re: Anyone planning to peer with these guys ?
by Tony Li 21 Nov '97

21 Nov '97

> The "Spam King," Sanford Wallace, and Walt Rines > Have incorporated their new bulk-email friendly backbone network This is great. Finally, just what we wanted. All of it gone with a single AS path filter.... Just let us know which one. ;-) Tony

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Re: Netflow IP accounting and IP protocol numbers
by brett watson 20 Nov '97

20 Nov '97

we complained about having to populate this info and i believe the netflow folks will release a fully populated protocols/ports file in v2.0 which is about 30 days away from release, i think. there will always be things like traceroute that use very high port numbers and increment them along the path, or custom aplications so you'll always have fairly large numbers of "other". at least that's been our experience. -brett > On Thu 20 Nov, steven hessing wrote: > > The other day we started using Cisco netflow accounting software > > together with IP flow export feature of recent Cisco IOS versions. > > > > What we found was that although we put a lot of protocols in the > > nfknown.protocols file of the accounting software (everywthing we > > could find in the /etc/services file of Solaris and Linux), there > > is still a lot of traffic under TCP-Other and UDP-Other. This > > indicated that traffic is going over our network using ports that > > the software doesn't know about. > > > > This could for example be Real-audio, Cuseeme, Pointcast, Backweb > > etc traffic. Unfortunately, I don't have a list of these newer > > protocols together with their port numbers. Has anyone compiled > > such a list? There's the Assigned numbers RFC but the last version > > of it is RFC 1700 of October 1994. > > Try, > > ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers > > It doesn't give a date it was last updated - but the list is bloody > long so should do you ;-) > > Cheers, > > aid > > -- > Adrian J Bool | mailto:aid@u-net.net > Network Operations | http://www.noc.u-net.net/ > U-NET Ltd, UK | tel://44.1925.484461/ >

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Proper procedure to change route advertisement
by tonyh＠noc.cbn.net.id 20 Nov '97

20 Nov '97

Hi, What is the proper procedure to change route advertisement for example from /20 to /19 ? Currently I just update radb and mci routing database. Also I send email to our upstream provider about the change. But now we have some connectivity problem with ANS and ANS customer. Any hint would be appreciated. Thanks. Tony S. Hariman http://www.tsh.or.id Tel: +62(21)574-2488 Fax: +62(21)574-2481

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need assistance at PAIX for maewest connect
by andrew khoo 20 Nov '97

20 Nov '97

we need about 10mbps off someone's extended fddi connection to maewest at PAIX for about two weeks. we do not need transit, just temporary carriage from a peer of ours in maewest to PAIX until their PAIX connection comes up. anyone with excess capacity we can "borrow" for that time? direct replies please.

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ISP.au
by andrew khoo 20 Nov '97

20 Nov '97

[apologies for the multiple copies of this that you might receive] --- Media Release (FOR RELEASE 21-Nov-97) Ourworld Global Network is proud to announce ISP.au, the first conference specifically focused on ISPs (Internet Service Providers) in Australia. This will be held in Sydney, Australia on December 12th to 14th, 1997. ISP.au will be a 3 day conference on a seminar/tutorial basis with a focus on both the business and network operations sides of operating ISPs. Speakers include leading technologists and business people in the ISP business in Australia and USA. Attendees will also include senior and executive management of ISPs in the Asia-Pacific region. The seminars will cover a series of topics including global developments in the ISP marketplace; regulatory issues affecting Australian ISPs; ISP industry associations; issues relating to APNIC and DNS registries; and various other issues relating to business development of ISPs. The tutorial series includes sessions on basic and advanced network operations held by routing gurus Avi Freedman (netaxs) and Justin Newton (priori, ex-erols); successful ISP marketing by Jesse Caulfield; and tips on working with APNIC held by David "Randy" Conrad, Director-General of APNIC. A highlight of ISP.au is a harbour cruise and dinner with bottomless drinks on the evening of Friday (Dec 12th) which will promote networking amongst ISPs and other parties in the industry. There are also other opportunities for networking during the conference, in particular in the meeting breakout room. The breakout room is be equipped with PCs with Internet connectivity. Internet connectivity is also provided in the main seminar meeting room via 10baseT switches (static IPs supplied if required) and 220VAC is provided. ISP.au was made possible by the generous sponsorship of Cisco Systems and Ourworld Global Network, but there will be no product pitches at this conference as it is intended to present an opportunity for ISPs in Australia to get together and to learn more about the unique marketplace that ISPs are in. --- A copy of the draft agenda and a registration form can be obtained by sending email to isp-au(a)aussie.net. This is an auto-responder that will return via email a copy of both the draft agenda and registration form. http://www.aussie.net/isp-au/ should be up and running by November 22nd. Further details can also be obtained from Rachael Stead or Rob Bridger via telephone to +61-2-9223-2777.

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Palo-Alto Dallas routing problem
by Tony Torzillo 20 Nov '97

20 Nov '97

I've just been told by someone at the BBNPlanet NOC that all BBNPlanet routes in the Palo-Alto and Dallas area are effected by a routing problem that originated in Dallas. As a result, we are unable to reach stanford.edu. BBNPlanet ticket number is 163151.

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Re:
by r.a. martin 20 Nov '97

20 Nov '97

I have no idea why I received this - I didn't unsub. I also received a "welcome to nanog message", as if I had just subscribed (I've been subscribed for a long time). This all occurred while I was away so am just responding (as per instructions below) now. randim(a)voicenet.com At 07:19 PM 11/17/97 -0600, you wrote: > 32760 nanog(a)merit.edu >nanog(a)merit.edu > >You have been removed from the list. > >If this wasn't your intention or you are having problems getting yourself >unsubscribed, reply to this mail now (quoting it entirely (for diagnostic >purposes), and of course adding any comments you see fit). > >Transcript of unsubscription request follows: >-- >>From nanog(a)merit.edu Mon Nov 17 19:19:53 1997 >>Received: from adnc.com (hera.adnc.com [205.216.138.127]) by mozart.lib.uchicago.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) with SMTP id TAA21919 for marilyn-request(a)mozart.lib.uchicago.edu; Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:19:25 -0600 >>Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:19:25 -0600 >>From: nanog(a)merit.edu >>Message-Id: <199711180119.TAA21919(a)mozart.lib.uchicago.edu> >> >>unsub nanog(a)merit.edu >> > > --------------------------------- randim(a)voicenet.com http://www.voicenet.com/~randim/ ---------------------------------

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