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RE: It's 1998; do you know where your packets are?
by Goldstein_William＠bns.att.com 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Other postings on this list have noted that over half of the Internet traffic (at least on the Web) is porn. Perhaps offers a new angle for the Human Resources staff of NSA a new recruiting angle, i.e. "Look at naughty pictures all day AND GET PAID!!!!" At least it would offer the Starr staff steady employment after the Clinton investigation is over... ;-) (Opinions are my own, not of my employer) Bill Goldstein Senior Internet Specialist AT&T wgoldstein(a)att.com TEL:(412)642-7288 ---------- From: bjames Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 1998 7:39 PM To: nanog Cc: bjames Subject: It's 1998; do you know where your packets are? This isn't entirely operational in nature, but if true does somewhat have an impact on what we are operating. You can find the entire text at www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/15295.html but here are a few snippets to give you an idea of what it's about. "In October, Europe's governing body will commission a full report into the workings of Echelon, a global network of highly sensitive listening posts operated in part by America's most clandestine intelligence organization, the National Security Agency. " "Echelon is reportedly able to intercept, record, and translate any electronic communication -- telephone, data, cellular, fax, email, telex -- sent anywhere in the world. " "Echelon intercepts Internet traffic at the transport layer, such as the TCP/IP layer, so the system doesn't care too much what it is or where it came from," said Pike. "For analog traffic, such as telephone conversations, it uses automatic voice-recognition technology to scan the conversations." Seems far fetched (but not *that* far), but worth a read. Barry --- Barry L James \ \ I have known them all already, known them all. Mendicant \ \ I have known the mornings, evenings, afternoons. www.terraware.net \ \ I have measured my life with coffee spoons. blj(a)terraware.net ____/ \________________________ T.S. Eliot <<File: It's 1998; do you know where your packets are_.TXT>>

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by Dean Anderson 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

At 02:15 PM 10/1/98 -0400, Barry Shein wrote: >The answer appears to be: There exists absolutely no review process, >no way to ascertain and air out the facts of the matter, the law of >the jungle rules in these matters. Welcome to the world of International trade. The Brits used to send their navy out to plunder spanish galleons on the high seas. What you didn't pick up, is that using your domains may not be a crime in other parts of the world. (Actually, its not technically a crime in the US either. But in the US, it may subject the unauthorized user to civil penalties) Althougth, there was a review process when the TLD's were created. It was decided then that each country would have a TLD, and would be responsible for its administration. So your rights are limited to whatever they are with respect to international law, and your rights in that foreign country. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean(a)av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? (fwd)
by Susan R. Harris 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 15:47:26 -0400 From: "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol(a)nacs.net> To: "Susan R. Harris" <srh(a)merit.edu> Cc: "Steven J. Sobol" <sjsobol(a)nacs.net> Subject: Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? On Thu, Oct 01, 1998 at 03:01:31PM -0400, Susan R. Harris wrote: > Hello Mr. Sobol - Your message header indicates that several of your > messages to the NANOG mailing list have also been cross-posted to other > lists. This practice is explicitly discouraged in the NANOG AUP: Hi there. I don't crosspost. The crossposts were very likely replies. I'll be careful to check my headers in the future. Thanks for the heads-up. -- Anyone who spams me will be subject to torture by Jake, my killer attack hedgehog, and/or Lizzy and Junior, my man-eating iguanas.

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by kbrown＠teamhuber.com 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Barry Shein <bzs(a)world.std.com> on 10/01/98 01:41:18 PM To: Aaron Goldblatt <aglists(a)goldblatt.net> cc: nanog(a)merit.edu (bcc: Kevin Brown/Teamhuber) Subject: Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed? That was never the complaint. Are you being willfully ignorant or does it just come naturally? -- -Barry Shein ManOMan.. this is the exact same thought I was having about your behavior Barry. Take your crank elsewhere...I think the overwhelming populace of this list are absolutely tired of your willfully ignorant behavior and obvious social shortcomings. Seek help Barry, Seek it away from Nanog. STOP THIS THREAD. If you think you have a problem with .TO call the phone number, lodge a complaint with them, but please don't use NANOG as your "Party-Line Phone System." That technology went away (mostly) long ago...please take yourself with it. I suspect a former Tongan friend of yours has done you wrong, and now you are lashing out publically for it...they have a name for this Barry... displacement of anger. Please...displace yourself elsewhere... Must I go on? or can someone completely remove the rogue user Barry? Seems as if his postings are becoming a new "spam" of sorts... personal enlightenment at the cost of others, and their bandwidth. Someone get a Binky for Barry.

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LTTTD
by Rik Schneider 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Let The Tonga Thread Die Rik Schneider Unix Systems Administrator Net Asset LLC 1315 Van Ness Ave Suite 103 Fresno CA 93721 (209) 490-4000 -- My band career ended late in my senior year when John Cooper and I threw my amplifier out the dormitory window. We did not act in haste. First we checked to make sure the amplifier would fit through the frame, using the belt from my bathrobe to measure, then we picked up the amplifier and backed up to my bedroom door. Then we rushed forward, shouting "The WHO! The WHO!" and we launched my amplifier perfectly, as though we had been doing it all our lives, clean through the window and down onto the sidewalk, where a small but appreciative crowd had gathered. I would like to be able to say that this was a symbolic act, an effort on my part to break cleanly away from one state in my life and move on to another, but the truth is, Cooper and I really just wanted to find out what it would sound like. It sounded OK. -- Dave Barry, "The Snake"

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It's 1998; do you know where your packets are?
by Barry L James 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

This isn't entirely operational in nature, but if true does somewhat have an impact on what we are operating. You can find the entire text at www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/15295.html but here are a few snippets to give you an idea of what it's about. "In October, Europe's governing body will commission a full report into the workings of Echelon, a global network of highly sensitive listening posts operated in part by America's most clandestine intelligence organization, the National Security Agency. " "Echelon is reportedly able to intercept, record, and translate any electronic communication -- telephone, data, cellular, fax, email, telex -- sent anywhere in the world. " "Echelon intercepts Internet traffic at the transport layer, such as the TCP/IP layer, so the system doesn't care too much what it is or where it came from," said Pike. "For analog traffic, such as telephone conversations, it uses automatic voice-recognition technology to scan the conversations." Seems far fetched (but not *that* far), but worth a read. Barry --- Barry L James \ \ I have known them all already, known them all. Mendicant \ \ I have known the mornings, evenings, afternoons. www.terraware.net \ \ I have measured my life with coffee spoons. blj(a)terraware.net ____/ \________________________ T.S. Eliot

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should be removed?
by jprovo＠ma.ultranet.com 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

> The specific question was whether or not the .to domain serves any > useful purpose (such as a TLD for the Kingdom of Tonga) -- is there > any reason to maintain it in the root servers? It is Yet Another ISO CC TLD that is being whored out - since domains became commodities, ISO CCs are now "national resources". Who has a crystal ball shiny enough to see which (small) country decides to change its name to get a "better" ISO CC? And how far out that will be? Another lovely spin-off of pushing the mess up towards the root of the tree, instead of down to the leaves with further specifity. "My own opinion, etc etc disclaim disclaim" -- Joe Provo, Network Architect 508.229.8400 x3006 Commercial Internet Services Group Fax 508.229.2375 UltraNet Communications, Inc., an RCN Company <jprovo(a)ultra.net>

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Re: It's 1998; do you know where your packets are?
by David O'Leary 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

At 07:39 PM 9/30/98 -0400, Barry L James wrote: [stuff cut] >You can find the entire text at >www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/15295.html ^^^^^^^^^^^ Wired. The Weekly World News of the Information Elite (tm) :-/ [rest of stuff cut] dave

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RE: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should beremoved?
by Sanborn, Ed 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

Barry, Why don't you offer to move this dialogue offline. I just joined the NANOG mailing list yesterday and already I'm disgusted. I understand your honorable intentions at the beginning of this discussion but obviously there is NOT concensus to ban the "to" domain so maybe this discussion should be dropped so that the discussion lists do not remain clogged. -Ed -----Original Message----- From: Barry Shein [mailto:bzs@world.std.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 4:29 AM To: scott w Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu; list(a)inet-access.net; inet-access(a)earth.com; domain-policy(a)lists.internic.net; com-priv(a)psi.com; publicaffairs(a)panet.us-state.gov Subject: RE: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should beremoved? On September 30, 1998 at 21:08 scott(a)digisle.net (scott w.) wrote: > > > On a bright Hawaiian night, someone wrote: > > > Does anyone have the email address of the Chief/King of Tonga? He might > > find this dialogue eye-opening... > > HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Someone is *really* not familiar with Polynesian > culture! ;) 'Awa (kawa) anyone? Actually, he just told me that he'd stop the spammers if I marry his daughter. I've taken it under consideration. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.world.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo*

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Re: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should beremoved?
by Anthony Sticha 01 Oct '98

01 Oct '98

The King of Tonga is currently staying at a friends house in Sydney. I will ask him directly about the situation this thread has developed into. I am sure he would be interested to get to the bottom of nearly 200+ messages so far.....besides which I am getting sick of all this dribble.... Why don't you guys clean up your own backyard first before you start worrying about little ol Tonga... -----Original Message----- From: Barry Shein <bzs(a)world.std.com> To: scott w <scott(a)digisle.net> Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu <nanog(a)merit.edu>; list(a)inet-access.net <list(a)inet-access.net>; inet-access(a)earth.com <inet-access(a)earth.com>; domain-policy(a)lists.internic.net <domain-policy(a)lists.internic.net>; com-priv(a)psi.com <com-priv(a)psi.com>; publicaffairs(a)panet.us-state.gov <publicaffairs(a)panet.us-state.gov> Date: Thursday, 1 October 1998 18:42 Subject: RE: Is the .to (Tonga) domain completely rogue and should beremoved? > >On September 30, 1998 at 21:08 scott(a)digisle.net (scott w.) wrote: > > > > > > On a bright Hawaiian night, someone wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have the email address of the Chief/King of Tonga? He might > > > find this dialogue eye-opening... > > > > HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Someone is *really* not familiar with Polynesian > > culture! ;) 'Awa (kawa) anyone? > >Actually, he just told me that he'd stop the spammers if I marry his >daughter. > >I've taken it under consideration. > > >-- > -Barry Shein > >Software Tool & Die | bzs(a)world.std.com | http://www.world.com >Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: 617-739-0202 | Login: 617-739-WRLD >The World | Public Access Internet | Since 1989 *oo* > >

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