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Re: ARIN?
by Scott Gifford 11 Nov '98

11 Nov '98

>On Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 03:36:53PM -0600, Phil Howard wrote: > >> The other purpose, however, is used to justify address space allocation. > >Ok, this question just occurred to me... > >NACS is going to need a new /19 pretty soon. But we have 13 Class C's >used for things like dialups, servers, web virtual hosts, etc. So how can >we explain our need for more addresses when much of our current /19 may appear >to be unused, since it isn't SWIP'd? > We just put "internal use" on the ARIN form to request the allocation, explained what each block was used for in the justification section, and had no problem whatsoever. ------Scott.

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Re: gateway failover.
by Paul Vixie 11 Nov '98

11 Nov '98

foo(a)eek.org (foo) writes: > i'm looking for pointers to any resources for doing failover on > solaris boxes. i have an environment in which i'd like a pool of > servers to use one of two solaris boxes as their gateway, the other > box being in hot standby until a failure of the primary box occurs, > at which time it would failover. f.root-servers.net (192.5.5.241) is a virtual host on two different physical hosts. these hosts speak gated and inject a /32 route into ospf, which makes the /32 look dual homed. the exit gateways pick the first one they saw (or sometimes i adjust the costs manually). if the host that was picked as the path to the vhost dies, the exit gateways flip the route over to the surviving host. alteon, foundry, and radware make "layer 4 switch" boxes that do the same thing but add local load balancing so that both hosts can be up and serving at the same time. in this case the virtual host is in the L4-switch box which does its own remapping to physical hosts. -- Paul Vixie <paul(a)vix.com>

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Re: ARIN?
by Steven J. Sobol 11 Nov '98

11 Nov '98

On Tue, Nov 10, 1998 at 11:02:58PM -0500, Kim Hubbard wrote: > We will do this as soon as we add some kind of security measures to SWIP > templates. I'm concerned with end-users even knowing about SWIP :-) Fair enough. Thanks for the quick reply. -- Steve Sobol [sjsobol(a)nacs.net] Part-time Support Droid [support(a)nacs.net] NACS Spaminator [abuse(a)nacs.net] Spotted on a bumper sticker: "Possum. The other white meat."

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gateway failover.
by foo 11 Nov '98

11 Nov '98

i'm looking for pointers to any resources for doing failover on solaris boxes. i have an environment in which i'd like a pool of servers to use one of two solaris boxes as their gateway, the other box being in hot standby until a failure of the primary box occurs, at which time it would failover. something like HSRP for unix would work nicely, though i've not found anything similar, except for IRDP (rfc1285), however it doesnt seem to be supported by anyone, in so far as i've been able to tell. i'm aware of commercial solutions, but i'm hoping to find something in the public domain as most of them are overkill and/or expensive. i'd like to avoid doing something with gated/ospf (or another suitably featured routing daemon/protocol), as the environment may include NT, 95, and other boxes that dont easily listen to any sufficiently useful routing protocol, as far as i know. i'm open to just about any suggestion, including an L2 solution, except for something that would depend on clientside software, because of the OS limitations. respond privately, and i'll summarize to the list if necessary. -foo

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Re: ARIN?
by John Fraizer 11 Nov '98

11 Nov '98

At 06:58 PM 11/10/98 -0500, Jeff Mcadams wrote: >>An _address_allocation_ that small just doesn't >>require that level of public contact visibility." > >Here I disagree. As I (and others have pointed out) there are people >with /32's that have just as much administrative control over their IP >"space" as someone with a /25 might have. I have *several* customers, >and we're not all that big of an ISP, that have *full* administrative >control over their IP space with the one exception of reverse lookups. I was quoting someone else and merely replaced the word "network" with "address_allocation." Why don't they have reverse lookups? in-addr.arpa records control is the only reason I care about having address space under my maintainer ID to start with. ------- John Fraizer | __ _ The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation A 486 is a terrible thing to waste...

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Re: ARIN?
by Jeff Mcadams 10 Nov '98

10 Nov '98

Thus spake John Fraizer >OK. How about I re-word this a bit and see how it goes: >>> >I think this misses the point. ARIN doesn't require or want you to SWIP >>> >your /30 and /32 allocations. A network that small just doesn't require >>> >that level of public contact visibility. >...should read: >"I think this misses the point. ARIN doesn't require or want you to SWIP >your /30 and /32 allocations. First sentence wasn't in dispute of course. :) >An _address_allocation_ that small just doesn't >require that level of public contact visibility." Here I disagree. As I (and others have pointed out) there are people with /32's that have just as much administrative control over their IP "space" as someone with a /25 might have. I have *several* customers, and we're not all that big of an ISP, that have *full* administrative control over their IP space with the one exception of reverse lookups. >Now, can we all agree that /30's and /32's are small allocations in the >grand scheme of it all and that the size or the organizations/networks that >use addresses in those allocations can not be accurately determined by the >size of the allocation alone? Good. I do definitely agree with this. :) -- Jeff McAdams Email: jeffm(a)iglou.com Head Network Administrator Voice: (502) 966-3848 IgLou Internet Services (800) 436-4456

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Re: ARIN?
by John Fraizer 10 Nov '98

10 Nov '98

OK. How about I re-word this a bit and see how it goes: >> >I think this misses the point. ARIN doesn't require or want you to SWIP >> >your /30 and /32 allocations. A network that small just doesn't require >> >that level of public contact visibility. ...should read: "I think this misses the point. ARIN doesn't require or want you to SWIP your /30 and /32 allocations. An _address_allocation_ that small just doesn't require that level of public contact visibility." Now, can we all agree that /30's and /32's are small allocations in the grand scheme of it all and that the size or the organizations/networks that use addresses in those allocations can not be accurately determined by the size of the allocation alone? Good. ------- John Fraizer | __ _ The System Administrator | / / (_)__ __ ____ __ | The choice mailto:John.Fraizer@EnterZone.Net | / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / | of a GNU http://www.EnterZone.Net/ | /____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ | Generation A 486 is a terrible thing to waste...

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RE: hello @HOME?
by Christian Kratzer 10 Nov '98

10 Nov '98

Hi, if they won't answer their mails route them to Null in all of your backbone. Seems to be the only thing that works. We just add a route to Null on one of our backbone routers and have the igp redistribute the thing all over our backbone. We had an intensive port scanner coming from ibm.net in switzerland. None of the contacts would react so we routed the network in question to /dev/null until the scanning stopped. Greetings Christian -- TopLink Internet Services GmbH info(a)toplink.net Christian Kratzer http://www.toplink.net/ Phone: +49 7032 2701-0 Fax: +49 7032 2701-19 FreeBSD spoken here! > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex "Mr. Worf" Yuriev [mailto:alex@netaxs.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 10. November 1998 16:18 > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: hello @HOME? > > > > If there is anyone from @HOME here who is or who knows how to contact > people that deal with security related issues, can you please drop me > email? Calling your NOC, and sending email to your listed > contacts makes > me think that people (or scripts?) on the other end never passed logic > 101. > > Alex > >

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reRe:Re: time for a new list of suits?
by howland＠Priss.com 10 Nov '98

10 Nov '98

The digests are printed out by their secretaries, and the dictated responses are then posted by those same secretaries, after consultation with the mail-room trying to figure out the FAX number... Quoth Richard Irving <rirving(a)onecall.net>: > My heavens! > > A list *for* suits, *by* suits, *about* suits... > > So, have any of 'em figured out how to post to it yet ? > > > ;) > > > > >> ISP-CEO(a)ISP-CEO.com is a Email discussion list dedicated to > > Internet Service Provider Chief Executive Officers only. >> >> If you have been subscribed to this list, it is because you >> are one of the following: > > >> CEO, President, Equity Owner, Partner, Director, Investor with your ISP. >> >> join-isp-ceo(a)isp-ceo.com >>

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hello @HOME?
by Alex "Mr. Worf" Yuriev 10 Nov '98

10 Nov '98

If there is anyone from @HOME here who is or who knows how to contact people that deal with security related issues, can you please drop me email? Calling your NOC, and sending email to your listed contacts makes me think that people (or scripts?) on the other end never passed logic 101. Alex

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