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Re: NON-OP RE: SERVER NAMES
by Ron Buchalski 02 Feb '00

02 Feb '00

>From: "Derek J. Balling" <dredd(a)megacity.org> >To: <rslux(a)link-net.com>, "DeepBlue" <james(a)darkblue.net> >CC: <nanog(a)merit.edu> >Subject: Re: NON-OP RE: SERVER NAMES >Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 11:39:25 -0800 > > Don't forget the momentarily-popular Pokemon. There are 152 of them. -rb (I have kids...) >Magic The Gathering works well. There's a bajillion names you can use and >since its a money-maker for the company, they'll keep making cards, so >you'll keep having names to use unless you fill up some huge data-center >somewhere with machines. :) > >D > >At 11:30 AM 2/2/00 -0800, Rachel Luxemburg wrote: > >>The list is endless. Here's a few off the top of my head: >>Babylon 5 >>UserFriendly >>Magic the Gathering >>Lord of the Rings >>Zodiac signs >>Greek / Roman gods >> >> >>or if you're really brave... Pokemon! >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of >>DeepBlue >>Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2000 11:05 AM >>To: 'nanog(a)merit.edu' >>Subject: SERVER NAMES >> >> >>This is a little off of the normal lines of the list. But I am at a loss >>as >>to what naming convention I should use with my new set of servers. I have >>already used Southpark, Jet sons,and Warner brothers cartoons. Does any >>one >>have any good suggestions other than the Super Friends? >> >>I apologize ahead of time if this email seems useless to some of you.. but >>humor me please. >> >> >>James >>james(a)iceblue.net > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: inter-NOC communications (was:Re: Definition of Congestion)
by Howard C. Berkowitz 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

At 03:30 PM 01/31/2000 -0800, dave o'leary wrote: >Attempts to "standardize" inter-NOC communication happened a couple of >times in the early 90's in the IETF, but it got too ugly, with too many >barriers (basically people not wanting to expose dirty laundry). I fear >that attempts to do so now when the providers are *really* competing with >each other (as opposed to back in the old daze when we were all >friends :-) will suffer the same fate, other than on a pairwise basis between >NOCs that cooperate well with each other anyway. > > dave I have to chuckle reading this thread. We can't even get our NOCs to talk to each other, and Marketing people think we can do Inter-Provider QOS?? Hopefully I will have retired at an early age before we burn that bridge :) -Steve

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Definition of Congestion
by Sean Donelan 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

The spooks have been working overtime, the NSA spent $1.5 million dollars this week recovering from a computer failure starting Monday. It was restored on Thursday, just about the time people started reporting strange problems on the Internet. Concidence? But on a more serious note. Alan used the word "congestion" in one of his messages. Congestion doesn't seem to have a very strict definition. It covers everything from a multi-week service interruption, to a dropped packet which triggers slow-start. Should the Internet follow the nuclear and power industry and come up with a set of standarized terms for different degrees of events: blackout, brownout, flicker, etc. Or follow the telecommunication industry which uses a single word, congestion, for most problems.

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Re: inter-NOC communications (was:Re: Definition of Congestion)
by Sean Donelan 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

On Mon, 31 January 2000, "dave o'leary" wrote: > Attempts to "standardize" inter-NOC communication happened a couple of > times in the early 90's in the IETF, but it got too ugly, with too many > barriers (basically people not wanting to expose dirty laundry). I fear > that attempts to do so now when the providers are *really* competing with > each other (as opposed to back in the old daze when we were all > friends :-) will suffer the same fate, other than on a pairwise basis between > NOCs that cooperate well with each other anyway. According to a Telcordia survey of 25 "nontraditional" communication companies (ISPs, wireless, cable, etc) 82% of the respondents said they informed customers about outages and service degradation. If this number seems high, remember this is a self-reported survey, not neccessarily what actually happens when a company has a severe problem with their network. About 40% of the respondants said they informed industry groups and other companies about the most severe and selected other problems. Again, based on self-reporting. One interesting statistic was about 5% of the survey sample said they didn't even tell other people in their own company about severe outages or degradations of service. I'm guessing this was a statistical artifact, like the 5% of voters who report they don't know for whom they voted when asked in exit polls on election day. But maybe some companies really don't tell even other parts of the same company when they have a problem. Note: the survey was completed on July 9, 1999; and may not reflect changes in company policies after major outages since last summer.

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Re: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record !
by John Hawkinson 01 Feb '00

01 Feb '00

Why is discussion of a single site's DNS configuration screwup appropriate for NANOG? Is your goal to get the word out to people who use E*TRADE? I don't think NANOG is right for that. Is your goal to get the word out to network providers of people who use E*TRADE? Do you really expect that many of them will forward this announcement or make good use of it? Should a message be sent to NANOG every time CNN, Netscape, or Yahoo go down? Am I missing something here? [Like a sense of humor?] --jhawk > Delivered-To: nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu > X-Sender: (Unverified) > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:11:57 -0500 > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > From: Kai Schlichting <kai(a)pac-rim.net> > Subject: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record ! > Precedence: bulk > Errors-To: owner-nanog-outgoing(a)merit.edu > X-Loop: nanog > > > Expect some major customer complaints about this one: www.etrade.com has > no A record, and all other addresses are redirected to that very name. > > I just sent this to Etrade:

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Re: inter-NOC communications (was:Re: Definition of Congestion)
by Paul Vixie 31 Jan '00

31 Jan '00

doleary(a)juniper.net ("dave o'leary") writes: > Attempts to "standardize" inter-NOC communication happened a couple of > times in the early 90's in the IETF, but it got too ugly, with too many > barriers (basically people not wanting to expose dirty laundry). I fear > that attempts to do so now when the providers are *really* competing with > each other (as opposed to back in the old daze when we were all > friends :-) will suffer the same fate, other than on a pairwise basis between > NOCs that cooperate well with each other anyway. as in, "i'm sorry, but there's no word for ``outage'' in our language." (feh.) -- Paul Vixie <vixie(a)mibh.net> SVP for Internet Services, MFNX M.I.B.H. Inc. is a wholly owned subsidiary of Metromedia Fiber Network, Inc.

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Okay, stupid question...
by Bill Woodcock 30 Jan '00

30 Jan '00

...but where the heck do you go to register new .edu domains now? All the registrar/registry mess just talks about .com/.net/.org, and although NSI's web site refers to .edu registrations 294 times in their documentation, it's always with respect to the text form submissions, which they don't accept any more, and their retarded web interface doesn't appear to have any options for .edu registrations. Anybody have any pointers? -Bill

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Re: External Events (was Re: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record !)
by Sean Donelan 29 Jan '00

29 Jan '00

On Sat, 29 January 2000, Alan Hannan wrote: > > I support John in his opinion that NANOG > is not an appropriate forum for real-time > outage reporting. Probably true. I've found the best real-time outage reporting for GlobalCenter is watching the Associated Press wire for stories about Yahoo.

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External Events (was Re: www.etrade.com has no DNS A record !)
by Sean Donelan 29 Jan '00

29 Jan '00

On Tue, 25 January 2000, John Hawkinson wrote: > Is your goal to get the word out to network providers of people > who use E*TRADE? Do you really expect that many of them will > forward this announcement or make good use of it? Should > a message be sent to NANOG every time CNN, Netscape, or Yahoo > go down? > > Am I missing something here? [Like a sense of humor?] External events have an affect on network service and network operators. Why do most NOC's have one or more monitors tuned to CNN and the Weather channel all day and all night? Ok, I know the real reason, but what is the reason the sales people tell prospective clients? The question is really one of editorial policy and how significant is any individual event. I don't think there is really one answer which can cover everything. The Internet (RTM) worm affected only VAX and Sun computers, an estimated 10% of the Internet of the day. If you didn't use Sun or VAXen, it would have been an irrelevent event for you. When AOL forgot to put a GUARDIAN password on its domains, and there where changed to a tiny ISP, if you didn't use AOL it may have been irrelevent to you. When Cisco, Bay and GATED BGP implementations had a disagreement on whether ASNs could be repeated in an as-path, it may have been irrelevent to you if you used a different BGP implementation or router. Whether a particular NSI problem, an E*Trade problem, or an Ebay problem, or a Cisco CCO problem is really significant enough to talk about semi- publically is tough. It would be nice if each company was willing to make timely disclosures about problems. But as we've seen time and time again, companies would prefer to never to acknowledge they had any problem until it becomes impossible to ignore (e.g. Worldcom's 10 days of hell last summer).

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Pre-Superbowl(tm) review
by Sean Donelan 29 Jan '00

29 Jan '00

What's happening? AT&T Global Network (aka former IBM) is having network problems. AT&T Local Services (aka former TCG) Los Angeles seems to be fubared. Multiple peers are reporting problems with Sprint. PSI is having problems in Atlanta. Mindspring killed part of their network. Did everyone come out of their Y2K network freezes this week, and are now catching up on a lot of deferred network upgrades and maintenance before Superbowl weekend?

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