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dry pair
by Austad, Jay 02 Sep '03

02 Sep '03

Does anyone know to go about getting Qwest or a CLEC to patch through a dry pair between two buildings connected to the same CO? When I called to order one, no one knew what I was talking about. -jay

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Re: Verio is reporting outage at 401 N. B.
by vbono＠vinny.org 01 Sep '03

01 Sep '03

We are on the same fiber bundle as they are on one of our paths and we are fine. Must be equipment. ---- Original Message ---- From: alex(a)yuriev.com Date: Mon 9/1/03 13:42 To: nanog(a)merit.edu Subject: Verio is reporting outage at 401 N. B. Since about 10am today, Verio had been out at 401 N. Broad in Phialdelphia due to "OC-48 down" Alex

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Verio is reporting outage at 401 N. B.
by alex＠yuriev.com 01 Sep '03

01 Sep '03

Since about 10am today, Verio had been out at 401 N. Broad in Phialdelphia due to "OC-48 down" Alex

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Weekly lamer list
by Rob Thomas 01 Sep '03

01 Sep '03

Hi, NANOGers. While sipping your morning coffee don't forget to check for lame DNS delegations. There are 43585 entries in the lamer report for the week ending 31 AUG 2003. These entries are often indicators of greater problems with name server configurations. <http://www.cymru.com/DNS/lame.html> Our thanks to those of you who have donated additional data for the cause. It is greatly appreciated. :) Thanks! Rob, for Team Cymru. -- Rob Thomas http://www.cymru.com ASSERT(coffee != empty);

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RE: Tier-1 without their own backbone?
by Sean Crandall 01 Sep '03

01 Sep '03

> One of the providers we are looking at is Level-3. Any > comments good/bad on > reliability and clue? We already have UU, Sprint, and AT&T. > I also realize > that the "they suck less" list changes continuously... :) I have about 5 GB of IP transit connections from Level3 across 8 markets (plus using their facilities for our backbone). Level3 has been very solid on the IP transit side. MFN/AboveNet has also been very good to us. -Sean Sean P. Crandall VP Engineering Operations MegaPath Networks Inc. 6691 Owens Drive Pleasanton, CA 94588 (925) 201-2530 (office) (925) 201-2550 (fax)

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Measured Internet good v. "bad" traffic
by Raymond, Steven 01 Sep '03

01 Sep '03

Have received complaints from usage-based-billing Internet customers lately about not wanting to pay for the nuisance traffic caused by worm-of-the-day. I believe that in the case of a short-duration, targeted attack that can be eventually be stopped, a billing credit is probably appropriate. But what about these current plagues that go on for weeks or forever- what is your network's response? Some simply want the traffic filtered in our routers- permanently. That is my least favorite option. Others want to simply not be billed for "bad" traffic. My reaction is to suggest that metered billing is probably not for you, then. But I could of course sympathize if I were footing the bill. What are other network operators doing about this issue, if it is an issue for them at all? Thanks

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Mailing list loop
by Michel Py 31 Aug '03

31 Aug '03

Is it just me or do we have a few messages that loop on this mailing list? RE: On the back of other 'security' posts.... Re: What do you want your ISP to block today? Re: Fun new policy at AOL Re: dry pair etc Michel.

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RE: What do you want your ISP to block today?
by John_York＠Dell.com 31 Aug '03

31 Aug '03

From: Owen DeLong > When was the last time you installed a Micr0$0ft security fix that was > less than 5MB? (I have yet to see one) SQL Slammer patch fit on a floppy (I remember - I walked around with that floppy for hours that night). Blaster patch fits on a floppy unless you're running a 64-bit version of Windows, in which case it is over 5MB. Seems like the patch for Windows Server 2003 32-bit may be ~4-5MB, too. > Shall we also compare the realtive timetables between vulnerability > awareness and general patch availablility? Not gonna touch that one. :) FWIW, I only run Linux servers, so I don't have an interest in defending MS - just setting the filesize record straight :) John

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RE: On the back of other 'security' posts....
by Greenhalgh, John 31 Aug '03

31 Aug '03

>That depends on your definition of edge, I suppose. I define it as the >port on one of my routers where the other end of the link is connected >to a machine I don't control. In those terms, edge filtering makes sense >in some cases and not in others. If it's a dial-up or T1 customer which is >a single business, it makes sense. If it's an ISP with a few fortune 500 >customers, it doesn't work out as well. I agree. In the satellite world, such filtering is extremely difficult due to the asymmetric nature of the traffic. A common scenario is that the customer will receive packets from upstream via Provider A to addresses assigned by Provider A. The customer will send packets upstream through Provider B with source addresses belonging to Provider B. If Provider B implements edge filtering, then the only way round is to use GRE tunnels, which gets messy. -- John Greenhalgh

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Re: What do you want your ISP to block today?
by Matthew S. Hallacy 31 Aug '03

31 Aug '03

On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 12:08:51PM -0400, Eric Kagan wrote: > How long do we give after the "friendly" notice as you are still infecting > other people before it is okay to shut you off ? Assuming a situation like the blaster worm, I'd expect a call to one of the emergency contacts listed. Response time should be less than an hour. (even if it is just a 'thanks, we're working on it') -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203

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