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Re: Tomatoes for Verisign at NANOG 29
by Stewart, William C (Bill), RTSLS 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

I have to agree with Scott. Be professional. Y'all can use tomato.net as examples if you want (though actually that one belongs to buydomains.com, which buys potentially resellable domain names.) A more important concern is that they keep mentioning that they've been talking to web users and looking out for the interests of web consumers, while not mentioning their impact on email users and consumers.

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RE: Tomatoes for Verisign at NANOG 29
by Dan Lockwood 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

I will do my best to get the tomatos. How many do you think we will need? Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of JC Dill Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 12:12 To: NANOG Subject: Re: Tomatoes for Verisign at NANOG 29 At 12:00 PM 10/16/2003, Owen DeLong wrote: >Agreed. I plan to wear a red shirt and bring a tomatoe. The tomato >will sit quietly on the table near me. It will not be used as a >projectile no matter how much Verisign tries to convince me it should. >Really. I will not throw the tomato at Verisign no matter how much they >deserve it. > >Wayne is right. For this to have the desired effect, we need to make >it a peaceful and symbolic protest, not a brawl. EXACTLY. >I would also suggest that we try to make contact with a second-harvest >or other organization that may be able to use the tomatoes afterwards. Great idea! Can we count on Dan for tomato acquisition and for Owen for post-protest dispersal to a foodbank? jc (I so wish I could be there!) -- JC Dill 370 Altair #353 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 650-669-1664 jcdill(a)vo.cnchost.com AIM: UltraJCDill Y!IM: jcdill

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RE: Site Finder
by Dan Lockwood 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

Recognizing that I am not an 'expert', I have got to ask just one question. Can these people at Verisign really think that they know better than all of the real experts that have worked with/on the DNS over the years. It seems rather silly to assume that a few people have more knowledge than the collective community. Furthermore, I feel that Ray makes an excellent point in that the concensus seems to be that we, as the Internet community, do _NOT_ want this type of tinkering with something that works very well; especially since the purpose is to increase advertising revenue. Verisign is clearly acting against the concensus. What effective action can we take as a collective group to get the point across that we will not tollerate this type of behavior? Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Ray Bellis Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 8:08 To: nanog list Subject: Site Finder Quoting Rusty Lewis from http://verisign.com/corporate/news/2003/pr_20031007b.html?sl=070804 "We will continue to take feedback from both Internet users and the technical community on how we can ensure that the service is available for the many Internet users who clearly like it." Well that's very simple Rusty - stop screwing around with *our* DNS and write a plugin for IE to catch NXDOMAIN, just like the Google toolbar does. That'll allow 90% of the browsing population a *choice*, something the wildcard clearly does not. Ray -- Ray Bellis, MA(Oxon) - Technical Director community internet plc - ts.com Ltd Windsor House, 12 High Street, Kidlington, Oxford, OX5 2PJ tel: +44 1865 856000 email: ray.bellis(a)community.net.uk fax: +44 1865 856001 web: http://www.community.net.uk/

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Re: Tomatoes for Verisign at NANOG 29
by Scott Bradner 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

> Dan and Owen, I nominate you two for the tomato acquisition and > distribution committee. lets not tomatoes != knowledge (nor are an indicator of same) Scot

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Re: Tomatoes for Verisign at NANOG 29
by Howard C. Berkowitz 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

>>>If you are attending NANOG 29, please attend this session and wear a >>>red shirt. >> >>Ahem. Many of us are Star Trek experts, and it will take a LOT more than >>this to get people to wear a red shirt. >> >Huh? I'm somewhat familiar with Star Trek, and, I realize the red shirts >are usually the first to die Right the first time! >> > >Porjecting the movie shows some level of group leadership support. >Stacking tomatoes shows just how much of the community is opposed >to wildcards. I think in this case, a physical show of tomatoes is >more effective. You're right--it's just that I enjoy the movies as one of the worst implementations ever done. Seemed appropriate. The neatly stacked voting pyramid is an excellent idea, especially if there were any media coverage. Sort of reminiscent of the end of Conan the Destroyer, as the torches go out.

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Re: more on VeriSign to revive redirect service
by Michael.Dillon＠radianz.com 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

>Just out of curiousity, I wonder how many domain registrations those of us >on nanog represent? Contract sanctions from ICANN are one thing, taking >all of our business elsewhere might also be effective at getting a point >across (though it might also backfire - pushing Verisign to be even more >agressive at taking advantage of their positioning). There are alternative suppliers for registering domain names and SSL certs. Look here http://referrals.tucows.com/ for registrars that are alternatives to Verisign for .com and .net. Also, give your customers information about the .biz, .info and .us domains and ask them if they would choose those rather than .com. An awful lot of people want .com because they really don't know anything about the alternatives. In this day and age, people don't guess URLs anymore by sticking .com at the end of a word so there is no longer any advantage to using a .com domain name over a .biz or .info or .us. People learn about domain names from advertising or by clicking a link on a web page. In both cases .biz, .info and .us work just as well. And don't forget to hire away all the best people from Verisign to cripple their ability to execute effectively. If they are willing to hurt your business for their own profit, then why shouldn't you hurt their business for your profit? Remember, there is nothing inherent in Verisign's products that makes them better than the competing alternatives. Their only advantage is that their products were there first so people have formed the habit of buying from them without thinking. --Michael Dillon

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OT: Dark Fiber in Portland/Beaverton Area
by Brennan_Murphy＠NAI.com 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

Email me if you are familiar with the fiber landscape (dark/lit) or lack thereof in the Portland/Beaverton areas. Thanks, BM

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RE: [Fwd: [IP] VeriSign to revive redirect service]
by Dan Lockwood 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

OK, so who is responsible for bringing the fruit? Does our registration fee cover that? :D Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of JC Dill Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:05 To: NANOG Subject: Re: [Fwd: [IP] VeriSign to revive redirect service] At 02:56 AM 10/16/2003, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >Ouch. >http://news.com.com/2100-1038_3-5092133.html > >VeriSign to revive redirect service >by Declan McCullagh > >VeriSign will give a 30- to 60-day notice before resuming a >controversial and temporarily suspended feature that redirected many >.com and .net domains, company representatives said Wednesday. I'm not going to be at NANOG in Chicago next Monday (October 20th), but if I were, I'd be in the foyer Monday morning with a few crates of tomatoes, selling individual tomatoes. If everyone who attends NANOG goes to the 9:15 session on Monday morning <http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0310/dns.html> and takes a single large tomato into the session with them, that this will make a VISIBLE sign to Verisign. It will make for a great photo opportunity, and turn this issue into something that the ordinary press can more easily explain to the non-technical Internet using masses. I also suggest that people wear red shirts on Monday. Enable the press to write about how Network Operators obviously and visibly *demonstrated* their unhappiness with Verisign. Try "Network Operators are seeing Red over Sitefinder" or "Verisign gets pelted with tomatoes over Sitefinder" as a headline. Note: I'm not actually suggesting that people pelt Verisign representatives with the tomatoes, you could just individually walk up to the front of the room and put your tomatoes in a pile where they can be seen. A pile of 500 tomatoes that are brought there individually, each tomato representing the opinion of a NANOG participant, *will* make an impact. jc

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Re: Verisign to sell Network Solutions
by Mark Radabaugh 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

> >So...correct me if I'm wrong here...does this mean that the registry > services > >operations and the GTLD maintenance operations for .com/.net will be > owned by > >different companies? > > Yep. And it means that Verisign business is no longer > based so much on serving customers but more on leveraging > various monopoly rights that they have such as ownership > of .com and ownership of the main root CAs whose > certificates are bundled with Microsoft's OS. > > >Isn't that what we wanted all along? > This just gets more interesting. If the sale of the NetSol was in the works for some time (and these things usually take a while) it would mean that Verisign was likely counting on the revenue from Sitefinder to offset the loss of revenue from selling NetSol. They cut off an arm and then shot themselves in the foot. Maybe ICANN can put them out of our misery. It would help explain why Verisign continues to press so hard for Sitefinder despite the firestorm over it.... New Coke anyone? Mark

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Verisign to sell Network Solutions
by Mark Radabaugh 16 Oct '03

16 Oct '03

This is interesting: Dear Valued Network Solutions® Customer, Today VeriSign, Inc. announced that it has entered into a definitive agreement to sell Network Solutions to a new entity formed by Pivotal Private Equity. Mark Radabaugh Amplex (419) 720-3635 begin 666 clear.gif K1TE&.#EA`0`!`( ``````````"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P`` ` end

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