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RE: hotmail-msn
by McBurnett, Jim 30 Apr '04

30 Apr '04

Here some previously posted... http://privacy.msn.com/anti-spam/ http://www.advertising.msn.com/adproducts/Email_TechStd.asp http://www.advertising.msn.com/adproducts/Email_BulkDupe.asp and http://puc.nether.net Jim ->-----Original Message----- ->From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of ->Gregory Hicks ->Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:19 AM ->To: georger(a)getinfo.net ->Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu ->Subject: Re: hotmail-msn -> -> -> -> ->> From: "Geo." <georger(a)getinfo.net> ->> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:28:32 -0400 ->> ->> Is everyone else still having problems delivering email to MSN and ->> Hotmail? It seems the queues have gotten even longer over the past ->> 24 hours instead of improving. Was just wondering if it's us or if ->> everyone is seeing this? -> ->George: -> ->We've got the problem. I was going to call Hotmail later ->today - after ->I got to the office. (I've got to find the message that gives the ->pointer to the list of NOCs...) -> ->Regards, ->Gregory Hicks -> ->> ->> Geo. ->> -> ->--------------------------------------------------------------------- ->Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer ->Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 ->555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3479 ->San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks(a)cadence.com -> ->I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely ->learn a great deal today. -> ->"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for ->lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the ->decision." - Benjamin Franklin -> ->"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they ->be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton -> ->

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Re: hotmail-msn
by Gregory Hicks 30 Apr '04

30 Apr '04

> From: "Geo." <georger(a)getinfo.net> > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 08:28:32 -0400 > > Is everyone else still having problems delivering email to MSN and > Hotmail? It seems the queues have gotten even longer over the past > 24 hours instead of improving. Was just wondering if it's us or if > everyone is seeing this? George: We've got the problem. I was going to call Hotmail later today - after I got to the office. (I've got to find the message that gives the pointer to the list of NOCs...) Regards, Gregory Hicks > > Geo. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3479 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks(a)cadence.com I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 30 Apr '04

30 Apr '04

This report has been generated at Fri Apr 30 21:43:30 2004 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 23-04-04 133783 93831 24-04-04 133921 93711 25-04-04 133826 93776 26-04-04 133855 93752 27-04-04 133897 93822 28-04-04 133829 93834 29-04-04 133820 94036 30-04-04 134095 94085 AS Summary 17059 Number of ASes in routing system 6881 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1425 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 73561344 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS568 : DISOUN DISO-UNRRA Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 30Apr04 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 134110 94091 40019 29.8% All ASes AS4134 749 151 598 79.8% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS4323 714 201 513 71.8% TWTC Time Warner Telecom AS7018 1425 985 440 30.9% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS7843 502 111 391 77.9% ADELPH-13 Adelphia Corp. AS6197 695 307 388 55.8% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS701 1303 938 365 28.0% UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS9583 461 107 354 76.8% SATYAMNET-AS Satyam Infoway Ltd., AS22909 385 32 353 91.7% CMCS Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS27364 386 42 344 89.1% ARMC Armstrong Cable Services AS6198 562 228 334 59.4% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS22773 364 46 318 87.4% CXAB Cox Communications Inc. Atlanta AS1239 943 638 305 32.3% SPRN Sprint AS9929 335 31 304 90.7% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS17676 339 37 302 89.1% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS4355 381 99 282 74.0% ERSD EARTHLINK, INC AS6140 379 105 274 72.3% IMPSA ImpSat AS6478 300 47 253 84.3% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS209 749 509 240 32.0% QWEST-4 Qwest AS1221 860 627 233 27.1% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd AS25844 243 16 227 93.4% SASMFL-2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS14654 228 4 224 98.2% WAYPOR-3 Wayport AS3356 898 690 208 23.2% LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications AS4766 466 258 208 44.6% KIX Korea Internet Exchange for "96 World Internet Exposition AS11305 240 41 199 82.9% INTERL-80 Interland Incorporated AS2386 422 238 184 43.6% ADCS-1 AT&T Data Communications Services AS5668 377 196 181 48.0% CIH-12 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS6327 207 29 178 86.0% SHAWC-2 Shaw Communications Inc. AS19262 265 87 178 67.2% VGN-2 Verizon Global Networks AS6347 395 220 175 44.3% SAVV SAVVIS Communications Corporation AS14824 275 108 167 60.7% NCC-105 NewSouth Communications Corp. Total 15848 7128 8720 55.0% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 AHSICHCL Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 60.254.0.0/20 AS23889 MAURITIUS-TELECOM-AS-AP MAURITIUS TELECOM 64.22.0.0/18 AS3561 CWU Cable & Wireless USA 64.46.0.0/18 AS7850 IHIGHW iHighway.net, Inc. 64.46.4.0/22 AS11711 TULARO TULAROSA COMMUNICATIONS 64.46.12.0/24 AS7850 IHIGHW iHighway.net, Inc. 64.46.27.0/24 AS8674 NETNOD-IX Netnod Internet Exchange Sverige AB 64.46.34.0/24 AS3408 64.46.60.0/24 AS7850 IHIGHW iHighway.net, Inc. 64.46.63.0/24 AS7850 IHIGHW iHighway.net, Inc. 66.51.128.0/20 AS23401 NAC Net Access Corporation 66.51.140.0/24 AS23401 NAC Net Access Corporation 66.114.0.0/19 AS16526 BIRCHT Birch Telecom, Inc. 69.6.224.0/19 AS32392 HOSTI-3 Hosting-Network GmbH 69.26.32.0/19 AS17307 VIRTEL-15 Virtela Communications 132.0.0.0/10 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 137.0.0.0/13 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 138.136.0.0/13 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 158.0.0.0/13 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 164.234.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 164.234.0.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.127.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS4738 SAARDNET-AS South Australian Academic Research and Development Network 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS4004 GLOBALONE-EQUANT-UK Equant UK Autonomous System 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.71.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.136.79.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.153.144.0/21 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 192.172.0.0/19 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 192.188.208.0/20 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALINA Palin Aquisitions Inc. 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLAT-7 Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 198.97.80.0/20 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-1 Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.192.0/20 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 198.97.240.0/20 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 198.97.247.0/24 AS3475 DEPART-52 Department of the Navy 198.101.4.0/22 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCBCC Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GTGR GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 AGTA Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MRN Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INS-51 Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASK SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 UBC-3 University of British Columbia 199.84.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.114.128.0/18 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.136.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 DISAUN DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NXLI NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.123.0.0/18 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.123.16.0/20 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.123.80.0/21 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST IQuest Internet 199.197.8.0/22 AS21814 PARSON-18 Parsons Corp. 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.2.64.0/20 AS9729 IS-AP iAdvantage Limited 202.47.1.0/24 AS7491 PI-PH-AS-AP PI-PHILIPINES 202.70.0.0/20 AS4658 NETFRONT-AS NETFRONT I.T. LIMITED (HONG KONG) 202.70.28.0/24 AS4515 ERX-STAR Star Internet Services Ltd. 202.73.128.0/22 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.86.142.0/24 AS30362 HAWAI-1 Hawaii-Pacific Teleport 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.122.76.0/24 AS17553 TIMELESS-AP System Integration provider 202.123.96.0/20 AS9288 COMCEN-AS-AP Com-Cen Pty Ltd 202.133.3.0/24 AS9335 CIP-JAPAN-AS-AP ATT IPlus 202.155.243.0/24 AS4795 INDOSAT2-ID INDOSATNET-ASN 202.164.224.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.132.107.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 203.132.108.0/24 AS10236 FOXGOLD-NET-AU-AP FOXGOLD COMMUNICATIONS 204.69.144.0/22 AS5668 CIH-12 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBI Exobit Networks Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 205.159.72.0/24 AS1660 ANSCOM-5 ANS Communications 206.41.32.0/19 AS14824 NCC-105 NewSouth Communications Corp. 206.81.187.0/24 AS19194 SNL-8 Sentris Network LLC 206.130.128.0/20 AS13370 NWNT NORTHWEST INTERNET 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQR-3 Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.196.0.0/20 AS16482 XODI Xodiax, LLC 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL-33 Telesat International Ltd. 206.253.190.0/23 AS8123 POLYBA Polybase 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETI NuNet Inc 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 SNL-8 Sentris Network LLC 209.169.219.0/24 AS189 GNTY Genuity 209.169.223.0/24 AS189 GNTY Genuity 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRTI Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.191.81.0/24 AS6347 SAVV SAVVIS Communications Corporation 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.51.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.55.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.56.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.222.137.0/24 AS27429 TIL-33 Telesat International Ltd. 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM-1 SISCOM, Inc 209.251.64.0/19 AS10266 MDCN MDC, Inc. 210.213.0.0/19 AS6453 GLOBEINTERNET Teleglobe America Inc. 216.18.224.0/21 AS11458 IMBRIS-1 IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.224.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS-1 IMBRIS, INC. 216.18.228.0/22 AS11458 IMBRIS-1 IMBRIS, INC. 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 216.145.130.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.132.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.133.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.134.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.135.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.152.0/24 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.156.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.158.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.176.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.177.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.178.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.184.0/21 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.200.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.186.151.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.152.0/21 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.160.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.164.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.192.0/19 AS3561 CWU Cable & Wireless USA 216.186.192.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.198.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.248.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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Mexico City Internet Bandwidth suggestions
by Paul Jasa 30 Apr '04

30 Apr '04

I was curious if anyone could share any suggestions and experiences with providers of internet bandwidth ranging from T1 to OC3 in Mexico City. Telmex is the obvious in-house Mexico monopoly, but was wondering if there were any other legitimate, competitive providers in the game over there. Thanks in advance for any replies, Paul ====================================== Paul Jasa Network Engineer ====================================== The information contained in this e-mail and any attached documents may be privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient you may not read, copy, distribute or use this information. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and then delete it from your system.

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Postfix errors from some new worm??
by Nicole 30 Apr '04

30 Apr '04

Seems like its trying to show web data.. and it ignores errors. I am seeing a bit of these. Nothing googelable for SHWAN-PROXY =[ Some broken script or worm? Nicole Transcript of session follows. Out: 220 krell.webweaver.net ESMTP commodore 64 Postfix Baby In: POST / HTTP/1.0 Out: 502 Error: command not implemented In: Via: 1.0 SHWAN-PROXY Out: 502 Error: command not implemented In: Host: mail.webweaver.net:25 Out: 502 Error: command not implemented In: Content-Length: 1056 Out: 502 Error: command not implemented In: Content-Type: text/plain Out: 502 Error: command not implemented In: Connection: Keep-Alive Out: 502 Error: command not implemented In: Out: 500 Error: bad syntax In: RSET Out: 250 Ok In: HELO webtv.net Out: 250 krell.webweaver.net In: MAIL FROM:<swe4etp07(a)hotmail.com> Out: 250 Ok In: RCPT TO:<nicole(a)webweaver.net> Out: 550 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [207.68.98.5] In: DATA Out: 554 Error: no valid recipients In: To: <nicole(a)webweaver.net> Out: 502 Error: command not implemented In: From: "roman" <jojo21planet(a)hotmail.com> Out: 221 Error: I can break rules, too. Goodbye. -- |\ __ /| (`\ | o_o |__ ) ) // \\ - nmh(a)daemontech.com - Powered by FreeBSD - ------------------------------------------------------ "The term "daemons" is a Judeo-Christian pejorative. Such processes will now be known as "spiritual guides" -Politicaly Correct UNIX Page http://www.nonsenseband.com *** Spam Sucks and I get tons of it. So I have some tight spam filters. If any email to me bounces, please use your secret decoder ring and please send to blabgoo at yahoo dot com :)

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Buying and selling root certificates
by Sean Donelan 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Not that SSL certificates are worth the paper they aren't printed on; I still find this vaguely disturbing. Just who do you think your computer is trusting? http://www.websheji.com/domain-names/news/id506.html Bob Parsons, CEO of Go Daddy, said that Starfield Technologies, a subsidiary of the company, bought an unused root certificate, trusted by 99% percent of the browsers from ValiCert Inc more than a year ago has been developing the system since then. I'm not that interested in SSL for web servers, but I have noticed a gradual increase in the number of mail servers willing to STARTTLS with mine. I was experimenting with trying to verify some of the certificates presented, its not real security, but makes the logs cleaner.

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U.S. Charges 4 Under New Anti-Spam Law
by Henry Linneweh 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Hopefully this case will have a positive outcome to send and very clear message to providers and spammers http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/INTERNET_SPAM?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION…

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RE: New IPv4 Allocations for APNIC
by Michel Py 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

> Brandon Butterworth wrote: > It doesn't matter what the email is signed > with I'd still go to the site to confirm One has to be careful with this (unless one re-types the URL); I understand that the reader here is generally aware of these tricks, nevertheless we all have some weak moments. Con artists have become very good at sending fake links (especially paypal ones) that point to fake sites that really look like the real one and that display the original URL in the browser's window and the https padlock in the bottom bar. Using a text-mode browser does help, but even there embedding VT100 (or similar) control codes into the stream might lead to interesting results. Making a site look real is a matter of Javascript and Photoshop, not security. Con art is about illusion, not about encryption. Those of who not convinced can visit https://arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us/ and move their mouse cursor over the yellow padlock on the left (yes, it requires Javascript like all the other ones). What's wrong with the seal? It's completely bogus; I made it myself. The Authentic Fake Identity Seal (tm) you have found. [a real one can be found here: http://www.trustlogo.com/] > Better to trust that Rob Thomas has done due > diligence than rely on email a virus may have > generated (signed or not) :-) Michel.

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Fw: Spam Handling
by joe 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

Suresh thanks for explaining this point. I didn't get this email except from the tread Gregh send direct.. This was my only point. Not sure why Nanog didn't post/distribute. From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <@outblaze.com> To: "Gregh" <@ozemail.com.au> Cc: <@merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Spam handling Folks, you are missing something here. He was trying to write to SBC at an address they asked him to write to, and that address bounced when he emailed it. He's not doing what you think he's doing.

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Re: Spam handling
by Gregh 29 Apr '04

29 Apr '04

----- Original Message ----- From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <suresh(a)outblaze.com> To: "Gregh" <chows(a)ozemail.com.au> Cc: <nanog(a)merit.edu> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:06 PM Subject: Re: Spam handling > Gregh writes on 4/29/2004 9:27 AM: > > > A guide to how to be spammed. > > > > 1) Click on most spam emails to let them know your address is to be spammed. > > > > 2) Failing that in 1, click on a "remove me" so they know you are still > > around. > > Folks, you are missing something here. He was trying to write to SBC at > an address they asked him to write to, and that address bounced when he > emailed it. > > He's not doing what you think he's doing. > With all respect, he has replied to a remove me. Then he is saying the address doesn't exist. I send messages back, routinely, from this address as if my ISP's own mailer daemon had sent them. The address he emailed may WELL exist but it is set up to respond with a standard "User not known" style reply. I wasn't missing anything. What he was missing is as I said before and the above paragraph. The remove me address may exist and all email to it may be kept and read by a spam engine and the FROM address added to the spammer's database BUT the spam engine is set up to send "User Unknown" replies back to everyone. Easy to do with a simple program most people could write. Even Macafee have worked out how to do this. Greg.

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