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[Fwd: [IP] Feds: VoIP a potential haven for terrorists]
by Suresh Ramasubramanian 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [IP] Feds: VoIP a potential haven for terrorists Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 09:10:19 -0400 From: David Farber <dave(a)farber.net> Reply-To: dave(a)farber.net To: Ip <ip(a)v2.listbox.com> -------------------------------------------------------------- This story was printed from ZDNN, located at http://www.zdnn.com. -------------------------------------------------------------- Feds: VoIP a potential haven for terrorists By Declan McCullagh CNET News.com June 16, 2004, 10:54 AM PT URL: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-5236233.html WASHINGTON--The U.S. Department of Justice on Wednesday lashed out at Internet telephony, saying the fast-growing technology could foster "drug trafficking, organized crime and terrorism." Laura Parsky, a deputy assistant attorney general in the Justice Department, told a Senate panel that law enforcement bodies are deeply worried about their ability to wiretap conversations that use voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) services. "I am here to underscore how very important it is that this type of telephone service not become a haven for criminals, terrorists and spies," Parsky said. "Access to telephone service, regardless of how it is transmitted, is a highly valuable law enforcement tool." Police been able to conduct Internet wiretaps for at least a decade, and the FBI's controversial Carnivore (also called DCS1000) system was designed to facilitate online surveillance. But Parsky said that discerning "what the specific (VoIP) protocols are and how law enforcement can extract just the specific information" are difficult problems that could be solved by Congress requiring all VoIP providers to build in backdoors for police surveillance. The Bush administration's request was met with some skepticism from members of the Senate Commerce committee, who suggested that it was too soon to impose such weighty regulations on the fledgling VoIP industry. Such rules already apply to old-fashioned telephone networks, thanks to a 1994 law called the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA). "What you need to do is convince us first on a bipartisan basis that there's a problem here," said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore. "I would like to hear specific examples of what you can't do now and where the law falls short. You're looking now for a remedy for a problem that has not been documented." Wednesday's hearing was the first to focus on a bill called the VoIP Regulatory Freedom Act, sponsored by Sen. John Sununu, R-N.H. It would ban state governments from regulating or taxing VoIP connections. It also says that VoIP companies that connect to the public telephone network may be required to follow CALEA rules, which would make it easier for agencies to wiretap such phone calls. The Justice Department's objection to the bill is twofold: Its wording leaves too much discretion with the Federal Communications Commission, Parsky argued, and it does not impose wiretapping requirements on Internet-only VoIP networks that do not touch the existing phone network, such as Pulver.com's Free World Dialup. "It is even more critical today than (when CALEA was enacted in 1994) that advances in communications technology not provide a haven for criminal activity and an undetectable means of death and destruction," Parsky said. Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., wondered if it was too early to order VoIP firms to be wiretap-friendly by extending CALEA's rules. "Are we premature in trying to tie all of this down?" he asked. "The technology shift is so rapid and so vast." The Senate's action comes as the FCC considers a request submitted in March by the FBI. If the request is approved, all broadband Internet providers--including companies using cable and digital subscriber line technology--will be required to rewire their networks to support easy wiretapping by police. Wednesday's hearing also touched on which regulations covering 911 and "universal service" should apply to VoIP providers. The Sununu bill would require the FCC to levy universal service fees on Internet phone calls, with the proceeds to be redirected to provide discounted analog phone service to low-income and rural American households. One point of contention was whether states and counties could levy taxes on VoIP connections to support services such as 911 emergency calling. Because of that concern, "I would not support the bill as drafted and I hope we would not mark up legislation at this point," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D. Sen. Conrad Burns, R-Mont., added: "The marketplace does not always provide for critical services such as emergency response, particularly in rural America. We must give Americans the peace of mind they deserve." Some VoIP companies, however, have announced plans to support 911 calling. In addition, Internet-based phone networks have the potential to offer far more useful information about people who make an emergency call than analog systems do. <http://zdnet.com.com/2102-1105_2-5236233.html?tag=printthis> ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as suresh(a)hserus.net To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/

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Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
by Matthew McGehrin 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Thanks for reading my message. I clearly stated I was having issues accessing the site, and not ping or traceroute related. I provided them just incase you needed them. And BTW, I'm not the only Comcast user having trouble. It's been about 20 posts from others on DSLREPORTS with the same issue, so its clear there is a problem and it needs to be resolved. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elvedin Trnjanin" <elvedin(a)ods.org> To: "Matthew McGehrin" <mcgehrin(a)reverse.net> Cc: <nanog(a)nanog.org> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2004 7:12 PM Subject: Re: what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately? > 20 ms is not slow. It could be an issue on your end or perhaps the extra > latency is due to the increase in popularity of these two e-mail services > recently.

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Re: S.2281 Hearing (was: Justice Dept: Wiretaps...)
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Hi Sean. Long time, no see, etc. ;-) In response to your baited question, it should be readily apparent -- this is a simple exercise in reasonable deduction. LEA's want to have the same technical capability to wiretap communications in technologies where they currently do not posses the capability to do so. Pretty straightforward, really. But the technicalities are hornet's nests. Vespas. - ferg -- Sean Donelan <sean(a)donelan.com> wrote: What is law enforcement actually asking for? -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net

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Internet firms urged to sign self-discipline pact
by Sean Donelan 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

'The basic principles of self-discipline for the Internet industry are patriotism, observance of the law, fairness and trustworthiness,' the official Xinhua news agency reported at the weekend. http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/techscience/story/0,4386,257481,00.html

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what's going on with yahoo and gmail lately?
by Matthew McGehrin 21 Jun '04

21 Jun '04

Ever since the 'Akamai' Incident, Yahoo Mail hasn't been the same. I can ping to it just fine, I just can't login and read my yahoo mail. When I can it's really slow. Ever since the Upgrades and the Akamai incident, Yahoo has been really out of whack when accessing from Comcast. I'm also having issues with Gmail. But atleast gmail Isn't as bad, just really slow. ping mail.yahoo.com PING login.yahoo.akadns.net (216.109.127.60): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=0 ttl=241 time=18.868 ms 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=1 ttl=241 time=20.032 ms 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=2 ttl=241 time=18.874 ms 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=3 ttl=241 time=20.956 ms 64 bytes from 216.109.127.60: icmp_seq=4 ttl=241 time=19.990 ms ^C --- login.yahoo.akadns.net ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 18.868/19.744/20.956/0.792 ms 4 srp-8-1-ar01.verona.nj.nj01.comcast.net (68.87.47.193) 12.870 ms 9.725 ms 5 pos-7-0-cr01.plainfield.nj.core.comcast.net (68.87.19.253) 9.891 ms 8.937 ms 6 12.118.149.5 (12.118.149.5) 10.761 ms 10.216 ms 7 tbr2-p014001.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.14) 11.121 ms 19.033 ms 8 ggr2-p390.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.123.3.62) 10.752 ms 11.037 ms 9 so-1-0-0.edge1.NewYork1.Level3.net (4.68.127.5) 10.067 ms 21.489 ms 10 ge-2-1-0.bbr2.NewYork1.Level3.net (64.159.4.149) 9.882 ms 10.297 ms 11 as-1-0.bbr2.Washington1.Level3.net (64.159.1.86) 17.708 ms 18.743 ms 12 ge-7-2.ipcolo2.Washington1.Level3.net (64.159.18.132) 18.758 ms 18.791 ms 13 unknown.Level3.net (166.90.148.10) 18.932 ms 17.489 ms 14 vl49.bas1-m.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.120.222) 18.643 ms vl33.bas2-m.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.120.154) 23.350 ms 15 alteon2.124.dcn.yahoo.com (216.109.124.11) 21.772 ms 20.097 ms Thanks

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Threats from AS 9800
by Philip Lavine 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

Has anybody seen any malicous traffic eminating from AS 9800? Specifically, MS-SQL worms. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we.

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Re: S.2281 Hearing (was: Justice Dept: Wiretaps...)
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

Deja vu. This sounds amazingly similar to the thoughts running through many minds back in April 1992 when Uncle Sugar thunk up the Clipper debacle in an attempt to put the strong personal encryption genie back into the bottle. ;-) - ferg ps. Happy Dad's day. -- Henry Linneweh <hrlinneweh(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote: if the pro-ported bad guys are so swift why would they use anything packaged anyway? They have engineers and scientific minds in their ranks that understand devices, boards and the likes and could simply create their own data centers and simply use new protocols to communicate over the public lines and not one person would know the difference, all the laws in the world would not stop them, since US law doesn't apply to anyone but US citizens and most other nations could care less about what we imagine, contrive and go into hysterics about. -Henry -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net

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Announcement of third NordNOG and call for papers
by Kurt Erik Lindqvist 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The third Nordic Operator Forum will be held in Helsinki on 9-10 September 2004. Sponsor will be Song Networks, and the conference be held at their facilities at Song Networks Mechelinkatu 1a 00018 Helsinki With this email we invite interested speakers to send a short email to kurtis(a)kurtis.pp.se describing their talk. Best regards, - - kurtis - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQNVtaKarNKXTPFCVEQIJJwCg3P31vDJ9+9lNEsp6mMSVMHsmyl4AoJxO /81v3CsOEkuYGB7y4/fNjyq5 =Fuqp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: [Fwd: [IP] Feds: VoIP a potential haven for terrorists]
by Sean Donelan 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004, Cade,Marilyn S - LGCRP wrote: > Jim Dempsey's testimony at Senator Sununu's hearing is very > interesting, and very educational on these issues. > > CALEA was not written for the IP world. When CALEA was being written, the Internet, IP and information services were all debated. > But, the facts are that IP service providers comply with law > enforcement's requests. IF more legal vehicles are needed, beyond what > law enforcement has today, then Congress should make that determination. CALEA doesn't reduce law enforcement's wiretap authority or the obligation for carriers to provide technical assistance under Title III or ECPA or other statutes. Law enforcement has been conducting wiretaps for decades prior to the passage of CALEA. Law enforcement has been using Title III and ECPA to tap e-mail, internet communications, pagers, etc for years. The FBI even demostrated its Canivore DSC1000 box at NANOG in Washington DC a few years ago. A SPAN port could satisfy an ISP's obligations under TitleIII/ECPA, but not satisfy CALEA.

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Re: Justice Dept: Wiretaps should apply to Net calls
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 20 Jun '04

20 Jun '04

I guess the Akami hoopla caused me to overlook it, but one more thing: I always did like John McCain. His quote: "Since it is a breakthrough technology, there's going to be a lot of china broken." Shake, rattle, roll. Same as it ever was. - ferg -- "Fergie (Paul Ferguson)" <fergdawg(a)netzero.net> wrote: The battle rages on, apparently. The more things change, the more things stay the same, it would seem. ;-) This is from this past Wednesday --I'm surprised that I somehow overlooked it and only just now saw this. http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/06/16/telecoms.voip.reut/index.html FYI, - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net

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