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Cisco moves even more to china.
by Nicole 26 Sep '04

26 Sep '04

Lovely, Just lovely. Just heard On CNN, Lou Dobbs. (but can't find it on their site) During a Beijing news conference John Chambers (Cisco CEO) Says "We believe in giving something back and truly becoming a Chineese company." "China will become the IT center or the world" "China will become the largest economy in the world." CNN Reports: Cisco is investing 32 Million into Changi and is training 10's of thousands of Chineese university students in Cisco technology. So.. I guess we will be cranking out those H1b's...Plan to kiss your raises and or jobs bye bye to some specialized cheap imported Cisco trained networking person from China. *SIGH* Nicole -- |\ __ /| (`\ | o_o |__ ) ) // \\ - nmh(a)daemontech.com - Powered by FreeBSD - ------------------------------------------------------ "The term "daemons" is a Judeo-Christian pejorative. Such processes will now be known as "spiritual guides" - Politicaly Correct UNIX Page Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas Edison "Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems." - Linus Torvalds

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Godwin's Law (Was: RE: Cisco moves even more to china.)
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 26 Sep '04

26 Sep '04

Godwin's Law: As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one. See also: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ - ferg -- "Scott Morris" <swm(a)emanon.com> wrote: Someone in a previous e-mail mentioned someone's law about annihilating this thread. While I don't know whose law that was I hope whatever it is takes effect soon because the sky really is not falling. Scott -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net

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Re: APNIC Privacy of customer assignment records - implementation update
by Matt Ghali 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:56:42 -0400, Joe Abley <jabley(a)isc.org> wrote: > The proposal (which comes from APNIC members, not from APNIC staff) > concerns non-portable addresses assigned to end-users. I don't know > about anybody else, but I've never had any luck getting a response from > people in that category anyway; it's invariably the upstream ISPs who > respond (if anybody does), and there is no suggestion that their > contact details will be able to be hidden. > > So what difference will it make? Effectively none. APNIC has always served out unverified and obvious garbage from their whois servers. What I find offensive is that they are now codifying this lack of cooperation, and tacit complicity with spammers and other anonymous miscreants as official policy. matto

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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Table Analysis 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfs(a)cisco.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 25 Sep, 2004 Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 147727 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 87611 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 70315 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 18109 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 15745 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 7345 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2364 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 73 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 4.7 Max AS path length visible: 22 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 12 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 17 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1340351908 Equivalent to 79 /8s, 228 /16s and 37 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 36.2 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 58.4 Percentage of available address space allocated: 61.9 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 67875 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 28428 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 14225 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 26595 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 14165 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2131 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 635 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 325 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.8 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 22 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 163812992 Equivalent to 9 /8s, 195 /16s and 150 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 74.7 APNIC AS Blocks 4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 23552-24575 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 202/7, 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 84217 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 51327 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 64419 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 22785 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 9575 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 3429 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 916 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 4.4 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 18 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 232724224 Equivalent to 13 /8s, 223 /16s and 23 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 69.4 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647,29695-30719, 31744-33791 ARIN Address Blocks 24/8, 63/8, 64/6, 68/7, 70/7, 72/8, 198/7, 204/6, 208/7 and 216/8 RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 27363 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 19057 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 24203 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 15867 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 5845 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 3144 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1002 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 5.3 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 21 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 171842624 Equivalent to 10 /8s, 62 /16s and 28 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 60.3 RIPE AS Blocks 1877-1901, 2043, 2047, 2107-2136, 2585-2614 2773-2822, 2830-2879, 3154-3353, 5377-5631 6656-6911, 8192-9215, 12288-13311, 15360-16383 20480-21503, 24576-25599, 28672-29695 30720-31743, 33792-34815 RIPE Address Blocks 62/8, 80/5, 88/8, 188/8, 193/8, 194/7, 212/7 and 217/8 LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 6466 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 2311 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 6299 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 3623 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 393 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 117 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 79 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 5.2 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 18 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 16081152 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 245 /16s and 97 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 47.9 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592-26623, 27648-28671 LACNIC Address Blocks 200/7 Emerging AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 1245 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 688 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 838 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 675 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 92 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 20 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 12 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.8 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 16 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 2063360 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 31 /16s and 124 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 12.3 AfriNIC AS Blocks <none> AfriNIC Address Blocks 196/8 APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 4134 838 4385 158 Data Communications Bureau 1221 808 1183 581 Telstra Pty Ltd 4766 544 3408 266 Korea Internet Exchange for " 9583 533 41 102 Satyam Infoway Ltd., 4755 366 133 48 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 17676 364 5436 52 XTAGE CORPORATION 9443 355 70 81 Primus Telecommunications 2907 351 1840 326 SINET Japan 9929 344 161 33 China Netcom Corp. 17557 312 23 154 Pakistan Telecom 703 311 342 240 UUNET 2764 284 274 233 connect.com.au pty ltd 7474 273 269 201 Optus Communications Pty Ltd 9942 243 73 130 COMindico Australia 4802 234 28 143 Wantree Development 9800 229 372 66 CHINA UNICOM 9498 223 49 49 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 7563 209 48 163 Korea Internet Infrastructure 4837 202 2264 106 chinanet IDC center beijing n 10036 202 18 185 C&M Communication Co. Ltd. ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 7018 1408 6752 979 AT&T WorldNet Services 701 1267 8425 914 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 1239 947 2883 629 Sprint 2386 835 529 598 AT&T Data Communications Serv 4323 789 633 215 Time Warner Telecom 18566 740 208 6 Covad Communications 6197 725 365 351 BellSouth Network Solutions, 721 719 21020 296 DLA Systems Automation Center 209 626 3465 496 Qwest 3356 588 10923 448 Level 3 Communications, LLC 20115 585 424 298 Charter Communications 3561 530 2486 369 Cable & Wireless USA 852 511 1141 397 Telus Advanced Communications 7843 491 681 98 Adelphia Corp. 7132 434 8141 376 SBC Internet Services 705 433 163 274 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 6198 430 396 199 BellSouth Network Solutions, 22773 399 960 18 Cox Communications, Inc. Atla 5668 396 87 18 Century Telephone 6467 394 149 30 E.Spire Communications, Inc. RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 702 643 2032 531 UUNET - Commercial IP service 3320 299 2470 236 Deutsche Telekom AG 8220 280 460 266 COLT Internet - International 3301 279 1100 269 TeliaNet Sweden 21502 268 40 3 NUMERICABLE is a cabled netwo 680 251 2025 239 DFN-IP service G-WiN 3246 217 475 214 Song Networks 13083 217 51 8 Mannesmann Datenverarbeitung 1257 208 744 178 SWIPnet Swedish IP Network 8708 205 113 183 Romania Data Systems S.A. 5515 198 842 144 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 3215 184 876 77 France Telecom Transpac 786 177 1794 177 The JANET IP Service 719 157 288 102 LANLINK autonomous system 6746 151 29 128 Dynamic Network Technologies, 25186 149 154 106 France Telecom Transpac's Tra 3303 148 610 130 Swisscom Ltd 5400 148 206 120 BT Ignite European Backbone 3269 145 1195 66 TELECOM ITALIA 8866 145 17 23 Bulgarian Telecommunication C LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 6140 366 138 67 ImpSat 8151 301 439 133 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 11172 289 100 54 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 16814 212 13 7 NSS, S.A. 6147 191 86 19 Telefonica Del Peru 11664 149 13 33 Keytech SA 6505 137 90 94 Global One Communicaoes Ltda 6503 127 164 86 AVANTEL, S.A. 7303 127 57 21 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 11992 90 9 31 Integrated Systems 14420 86 7 37 ANDINATEL S.A. 6535 85 7 19 Chilesat Servicios Empresari 10620 85 10 4 TVCABLE BOGOTA 11311 83 8 22 Sinectis S.A. 10481 81 32 7 Prima S.A. 11556 81 41 3 Cable-Wireless Panama 5639 77 8 8 Telecommunications Services o 15311 76 21 36 Telefonica Empresas 27716 74 9 12 Eveloz 14117 71 6 4 Telefonica del Sur S.A. AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 3741 251 631 218 The Internet Solution 5536 114 16 4 Internet Egypt Network 2018 94 297 92 Tertiary Education Network 2905 92 276 81 The Internetworking Company o 20928 59 16 1 Noor Advanced Technologies AS 14988 45 16 1 Botswana Telecommunications C 24835 34 34 7 RAYA Telecom - Egypt 6713 31 42 10 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 9129 30 3 4 UUNET Kenya 5713 26 125 24 Telkom SA Ltd 8524 25 1 4 AUCEGYPT Autonomous System 16637 24 10 19 Johnnic e-Ventures 10798 18 1 12 Standard Bank of South Africa 12258 18 3 12 Vodacom Internet Company 12455 17 4 2 Jambonet Autonomous system 21491 16 1 3 UTL On-line is RF broadband I 8346 15 7 14 SONATEL-AS Autonomous System 15706 15 4 2 Sudatel Internet Exchange Aut 21280 14 2 3 Swift Global Kenya Ltd.Is an 15808 13 1 2 Communication Solutions Ltd i Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 18566 740 734 Covad Communications 4134 838 680 Data Communications Bureau 4323 789 574 Time Warner Telecom 9583 533 431 Satyam Infoway Ltd., 721 719 423 DLA Systems Automation Center 7843 491 393 Adelphia Corp. 22773 399 381 Cox Communications, Inc. Atla 5668 396 378 Century Telephone 27364 394 375 Armstrong Cable Services 6197 725 374 BellSouth Network Solutions, 6467 394 364 E.Spire Communications, Inc. 701 1267 353 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 22909 376 338 Comcast Cable Corporation 1239 947 318 Sprint 4755 366 318 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 17676 364 312 XTAGE CORPORATION 9929 344 311 China Netcom Corp. 6140 366 299 ImpSat 6478 364 293 AT&T Worldnet Services 4355 389 290 EarthLink, Inc. List of Unregistered ASNs (Global) ---------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 23456 UNALLOCATED 62.241.160.0/19 25346 Pipex Internet UK IS 23456 UNALLOCATED 81.86.0.0/16 25346 Pipex Internet UK IS 23456 UNALLOCATED 81.178.0.0/15 25346 Pipex Internet UK IS 64513 PRIVATE 164.78.128.0/17 7610 SINGAPORE ADVANCE RE 64513 PRIVATE 164.78.249.0/24 7610 SINGAPORE ADVANCE RE 64513 PRIVATE 164.78.252.0/24 7610 SINGAPORE ADVANCE RE 65217 PRIVATE 192.102.236.0/24 217 University of Minnes 1877 UNALLOCATED 192.108.199.0/24 1876 Southern Methodist U 22750 UNALLOCATED 196.44.64.0/19 3741 The Internet Solutio 22750 UNALLOCATED 196.44.86.0/24 2905 The Internetworking 22750 UNALLOCATED 196.44.224.0/20 3741 The Internet Solutio 22750 UNALLOCATED 196.44.234.0/24 2905 The Internetworking Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 111.0.0.0/24 7563 Korea Internet Infrastructure 132.0.0.0/10 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 137.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 158.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.43.230.0/24 4738 South Australian Academic Res 192.44.0.0/19 702 UUNET - Commercial IP service 192.70.164.0/24 25689 National Research Council of 192.83.16.0/20 5515 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 192.83.32.0/19 5515 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 192.83.96.0/22 5515 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 192.83.100.0/24 5515 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 192.84.205.0/24 719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.119.135.0/24 270 NASA 192.135.50.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.79.0/24 719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.172.0.0/19 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.172.11.0/24 721 DLA Systems Automation Center Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:19 /9:3 /10:6 /11:15 /12:63 /13:134 /14:307 /15:540 /16:8059 /17:2227 /18:3862 /19:9809 /20:10347 /21:7785 /22:10746 /23:12388 /24:80598 /25:241 /26:209 /27:109 /28:58 /29:43 /30:107 /31:0 /32:52 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 18566 725 740 Covad Communications 2386 602 835 AT&T Data Communications Serv 6197 576 725 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7018 552 1408 AT&T WorldNet Services 702 394 643 UUNET - Commercial IP service 27364 378 394 Armstrong Cable Services 1239 375 947 Sprint 9583 371 533 Satyam Infoway Ltd., 4766 363 544 Korea Internet Exchange for " 701 356 1267 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 5668 346 396 Century Telephone 6198 316 430 BellSouth Network Solutions, 20115 298 585 Charter Communications 6467 291 394 E.Spire Communications, Inc. 9929 275 344 China Netcom Corp. 6517 265 292 Yipes Communications, Inc. 13609 265 308 Choice One Communications Inc 21502 265 268 NUMERICABLE is a cabled netwo 6347 246 332 SAVVIS Communications Corpora 3320 245 299 Deutsche Telekom AG Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 4:4 8:3 12:1395 13:1 15:5 16:2 17:3 20:6 24:724 32:66 33:2 38:78 40:54 44:4 47:2 52:3 55:1 56:3 57:17 60:6 61:510 62:505 63:1840 64:2403 65:2057 66:2497 67:396 68:549 69:714 70:73 80:523 81:550 82:301 83:158 84:25 111:1 128:121 129:171 130:87 131:189 132:27 134:187 135:17 136:180 137:55 138:180 139:35 140:183 141:107 142:119 143:67 144:160 145:42 146:293 147:94 148:384 149:110 150:87 151:65 152:152 153:68 154:2 155:127 156:59 157:71 158:143 159:163 160:56 161:71 162:373 163:81 164:214 165:161 166:118 167:223 168:344 169:120 170:270 171:9 192:5579 193:2906 194:2119 195:1484 196:597 198:3675 199:3274 200:3833 201:20 202:4852 203:5690 204:3244 205:2092 206:2324 207:2576 208:2141 209:3028 210:1487 211:622 212:1092 213:1198 214:134 215:31 216:3707 217:1012 218:176 219:101 220:257 221:37 222:44 End of report

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RE: Cisco moves even more to china.
by Drew Weaver 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

I just find the whole idea of Cisco amusing, they still sell new 7500 series routers for 6 figures with the right configurations, and they've been around for 10 years, in what other industry can you take a product that is a decade old, hasn't advanced in technology, and still sell them new for $100,000? Although admittedly most sensible people buy them on ebay for a grand these days. -Drew -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Stephen Perciballi Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 9:56 AM To: Nicole Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china. Great...So Cisco is turning into the Nike of technology. I can't wait to see 11 year olds building routers that sell for $1.5 million USD, while getting paid 7 cents/hour. [Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 04:49:11PM -0700] Nicole Inscribed these words... > > > > Lovely, Just lovely. Just heard On CNN, Lou Dobbs. (but can't find it on > their site) > > During a Beijing news conference John Chambers (Cisco CEO) Says "We believe in > giving something back and truly becoming a Chineese company." "China will > become the IT center or the world" "China will become the largest economy in the > world." > > CNN Reports: Cisco is investing 32 Million into Changi and is training > 10's of thousands of Chineese university students in Cisco technology. > > > So.. I guess we will be cranking out those H1b's...Plan to kiss your raises > and or jobs bye bye to some specialized cheap imported Cisco trained networking > person from China. > > > *SIGH* > > > Nicole > > > -- > |\ __ /| (`\ > | o_o |__ ) ) > // \\ > - nmh(a)daemontech.com - Powered by FreeBSD - > ------------------------------------------------------ > "The term "daemons" is a Judeo-Christian pejorative. > Such processes will now be known as "spiritual guides" > - Politicaly Correct UNIX Page > > Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work. > - Thomas Edison > > "Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems." > - Linus Torvalds > > -- Stephen (routerg) irc.dks.ca

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Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
by Gregory Hicks 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:49:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Nicole <nmh(a)daemontech.com> > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Cisco moves even more to china. > > > > > Lovely, Just lovely. Just heard On CNN, Lou Dobbs. (but can't find it on > their site) > > During a Beijing news conference John Chambers (Cisco CEO) Says "We believe in > giving something back and truly becoming a Chineese company." "China will > become the IT center or the world" "China will become the largest economy in the > world." > > CNN Reports: Cisco is investing 32 Million into Changi and is training > 10's of thousands of Chineese university students in Cisco technology. > > So.. I guess we will be cranking out those H1b's...Plan to kiss your raises > and or jobs bye bye to some specialized cheap imported Cisco trained networking > person from China. Yeah, but don't they already have a company over there that is producing Cisco stuff? Or did I mis-read a lawsuit? > > > *SIGH* > > > Nicole > > > -- > |\ __ /| (`\ > | o_o |__ ) ) > // \\ > - nmh(a)daemontech.com - Powered by FreeBSD - > ------------------------------------------------------ > "The term "daemons" is a Judeo-Christian pejorative. > Such processes will now be known as "spiritual guides" > - Politicaly Correct UNIX Page > > Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and > looks like work. > - Thomas Edison > > "Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems." > - Linus Torvalds > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3400 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: ghicks(a)cadence.com I am perfectly capable of learning from my mistakes. I will surely learn a great deal today. "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Benjamin Franklin "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." --Alexander Hamilton

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RE: Cisco moves even more to china.
by Dan Mahoney, System Admin 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004, Jason Graun wrote: > I think the IT field as a whole, programmers, network guys, etc... are going > to go the way of the auto workers in the 70's and 80's. I am a CCIE working > and on a second one and it saddens me that all my hard work and advanced > knowledge could be replaced by a chop-shop guy because from a business > standpoint quarter to quarter the chop-shop guy is cheaper on the books. > Never mind the fact that I solve problems on the network in under 30mins and > save the company from downtime but I am too expensive. I used to love > technology and all it had to offer but now I feel cheated, I feel like we > all have been burned by the way the business guys look at the technology, as > a commodity. Thankfully I am still young (mid 20's) I can make a career > switch but I'll still love the technology. Anyway I am going to start the > paper work to be an H1b to China and brush up on my Mandarin. I've felt this way about things at times. It's why I'm getting my CDL. I highly doubt they can find a way to outsource *that* to some third-world country. -Dan > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Erik > Haagsman > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:55 PM > To: Dan Mahoney, System Admin > Cc: Nicole; nanog(a)nanog.org > Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china. > > > On Fri, 2004-09-24 at 02:29, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >> I've always personally taken anyone who said "but I'm an MCSE" with a >> grain of salt. I've had equal respect for the A-plus and Net-Plus >> certifications, which are basically bought. > > I take most certifications with a grain of salt, including degrees, > unless someone clearly demonstrates he know's what he's talking about, > is able to make intelligent decisions and learns new techniques quickly. > In which case a certification is still just an add-on ;-) > >> I used to have more trust in the /CC../ certifications but I find I may be > >> laughing those off too quite soon. > > The vendor's introductory certs (CCNA, CCNP, JNCIA, JNCIS) don't say > anything about a candidate, except exactly that ("I got the cert"). CCIE > and JNCIE are still at least an indicator someone was at a certain level > at the time of getting the certification, but are still no substitute > for experience and a brain in good working order. It's too bad there > aren't better "general" (non-vendor specific) certs, since what often > lacks is general understanding of network architecture and protocols. > You can teach anyone the right commands for Vendor X and they'll prolly > get a basic config going on a few nodes, but when troubleshooting time > comes it's useless without good knowledge of the underlying technology, > which none of the vendor certs teach very well (IMHO anyway ;-) > > Cheers, > > Erik > > > > -- > --- > Erik Haagsman > Network Architect > We Dare BV > tel: +31.10.7507008 > fax: +31.10.7507005 > http://www.we-dare.nl > > > > -- "Don't be so depressed dear." "I have no endorphins, what am I supposed to do?" -DM and SK, February 10th, 1999 --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org ---------------------------

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

This report has been generated at Fri Sep 24 21:44:25 2004 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 17-09-04 143628 98841 18-09-04 143795 98791 19-09-04 143753 98757 20-09-04 143810 98790 21-09-04 143714 99006 22-09-04 144230 99037 23-09-04 144280 99059 24-09-04 144324 99983 AS Summary 18046 Number of ASes in routing system 7331 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1386 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 86681856 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DNIC DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 24Sep04 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 145918 100017 45901 31.5% All ASes AS18566 740 7 733 99.1% CVAD Covad Communications AS4134 785 176 609 77.6% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS4323 788 217 571 72.5% TWTC Time Warner Telecom AS7018 1386 961 425 30.7% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS7843 491 98 393 80.0% ADELPH-13 Adelphia Corp. AS22773 400 21 379 94.8% CXA Cox Communications Inc. AS6467 393 30 363 92.4% ACSI e.spire Communications, Inc. AS27364 394 36 358 90.9% ARMC Armstrong Cable Services AS701 1246 901 345 27.7% UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. AS22909 376 46 330 87.8% CMCS Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS6197 722 404 318 44.0% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS1239 957 640 317 33.1% SPRN Sprint AS17676 362 56 306 84.5% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS9929 334 33 301 90.1% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS6478 364 71 293 80.5% ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services AS4355 381 99 282 74.0% ERSD EARTHLINK, INC AS21502 268 3 265 98.9% ASN-NUMERICABLE NUMERICABLE is a cabled network in France, AS4766 529 266 263 49.7% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS6347 332 79 253 76.2% SAVV SAVVIS Communications Corporation AS14654 259 6 253 97.7% WAYPOR-3 Wayport AS6140 364 114 250 68.7% IMPSA ImpSat AS9443 359 110 249 69.4% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus Telecommunications AS11172 286 53 233 81.5% Alestra AS25844 244 16 228 93.4% SASMFL-2 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP AS2386 834 607 227 27.2% ADCS-1 AT&T Data Communications Services AS1221 811 584 227 28.0% ASN-TELSTRA Telstra Pty Ltd AS15557 371 144 227 61.2% LDCOMNET LDCOM NETWORKS AS9583 534 315 219 41.0% SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited AS6198 428 210 218 50.9% BNS-14 BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS721 719 512 207 28.8% DNIC DoD Network Information Center Total 16457 6815 9642 58.6% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.138.80.0/20 AS11260 AHSICHCL Andara High Speed Internet c/o Halifax Cable Ltd. 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.38.0/24 AS25994 NPGCAB NPG Cable, INC 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 64.46.4.0/22 AS11711 TULARO TULAROSA COMMUNICATIONS 64.46.27.0/24 AS8674 NETNOD-IX Netnod Internet Exchange Sverige AB 64.46.34.0/24 AS3408 64.46.63.0/24 AS7850 IHIGHW iHighway.net, Inc. 64.83.96.0/19 AS26956 NETFR NetFree Communications 64.127.0.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 65.23.160.0/19 AS32809 DRN-3 Dickey Rural Networks 66.114.0.0/19 AS16526 BIRCHT Birch Telecom, Inc. 69.26.32.0/19 AS17307 VIRTEL-15 Virtela Communications 111.0.0.0/24 AS7563 KII-AS Korea Internet Infrastructure 132.0.0.0/10 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 138.136.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 158.0.0.0/13 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.127.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS4738 SAARDNET-AS South Australian Academic Research and Development Network 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCC-2 National Research Council of Canada 192.80.64.0/19 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 LANLINK Elisa Oyj 192.107.144.0/22 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 NASA National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS4004 GLOBALONE-EQUANT-UK Equant UK & Greece Autonomous System 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 192.138.208.0/20 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 192.190.16.0/21 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 192.243.32.0/23 AS2044 PALINA Palin Aquisitions Inc. 196.2.95.0/24 AS8668 TELONE-AS TelOne Zimbabwe P/L 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLAT-7 Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-1 Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.97.247.0/24 AS3475 DEPART-52 Department of the Navy 198.101.4.0/22 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCBCC Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY CityNet, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GTGR GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.161.165.0/24 AS852 AGTA Telus Advanced Communications 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MRN Manitoba Regional Network 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INS-51 Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASK SaskTel 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS Skotos Tech, Inc 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 UBC-3 University of British Columbia 199.96.44.0/23 AS19092 360NE-1 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.96.46.0/24 AS19092 360NE-1 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.114.0.0/18 AS568 DISOUN DISO-UNRRA 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.136.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 DISAUN DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.114.156.0/24 AS1913 DLA-8 Defense Logistics Agency 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 ADP-41 AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NXLI NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DNIC DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST IQuest Internet 199.197.8.0/22 AS21814 PARSON-18 Parsons Corp. 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 202.47.1.0/24 AS7491 PI-PH-AS-AP PI-PHILIPINES 202.70.28.0/24 AS4515 ERX-STAR Star Internet Services Ltd. 202.73.128.0/22 AS4058 LINKAGENET-AP CPCNet Hong Kong Ltd. 202.81.96.0/19 AS10113 DATAFAST-AP DATAFAST TELECOMMUNICATIONS LTD 202.81.109.0/24 AS7657 TIG-US-PAS-AP The Internet Group Limited 202.81.121.0/24 AS10113 DATAFAST-AP DATAFAST TELECOMMUNICATIONS LTD 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 202.133.3.0/24 AS9335 CIP-JAPAN-AS-AP ATT IPlus 202.164.224.0/19 AS7599 IPXC-AS-AP IP Exchange 203.32.4.0/23 AS7617 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.84.192.0/19 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 203.84.192.0/20 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 203.84.208.0/20 AS17433 PHILWEB-AP PhilWeb.Com, Inc. 203.210.69.0/24 AS17536 PRODIGY-AS-AP Prodidgy Telecommunications 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLAB-1 TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBI Exobit Networks Inc. 204.196.0.0/14 AS1 LVLT Level 3 Communications, Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 UU UUNET Technologies, Inc. 205.159.72.0/24 AS1660 ANSCOM-5 ANS Communications 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQR-3 Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ACCA-2 Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.251.69.0/24 AS27429 TIL-33 Telesat International Ltd. 206.253.190.0/23 AS8123 POLYBA Polybase 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETI NuNet Inc 208.81.187.0/24 AS19194 SNL-8 Sentris Network LLC 209.143.192.0/18 AS3561 CWU Cable & Wireless USA 209.172.0.0/18 AS7770 TRTI Triton Technologies, Inc. 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.48.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.49.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.50.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.51.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.55.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.213.56.0/24 AS10629 INS-52 Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM-1 SISCOM, Inc 216.37.110.0/23 AS4264 CERFN California Education and Research Federation Network 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATTW AT&T WorldNet Services 216.145.130.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.132.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.134.0/24 AS11937 TRXI TRX Inc. 216.145.156.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.158.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.176.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.177.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.178.0/24 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.145.184.0/21 AS10758 INWAVE INWave Internet, Inc 216.145.200.0/21 AS20304 JIS-32 JVLNET Internet Services 216.186.151.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.152.0/21 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.160.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.164.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.192.0/22 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.198.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.186.248.0/23 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org swinog(a)swinog.ch

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APNIC Privacy of customer assignment records - implementation update
by George Michaelson 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

Dear colleagues, This is an important announcement on the implementation of APNIC approved proposal prop-007-v001 regarding privacy of customer assignment records. The proposal document, presentation, minutes, and discussion are available at: http://www.apnic.net/docs/policy/proposals/prop-007-v001.html The APNIC Secretariat will be implementing this proposal on 30 September 2004. Please note that after this date, customer assignment objects will no longer be visible in the APNIC Whois Database, unless the APNIC account holder chooses to make public the customer records for their allocated address range. A set of Frequently Asked Questions about this project is now available at: http://www.apnic.net/info/faq/privacy-faq.html If you have any concerns or questions regarding this policy, please contact the APNIC helpdesk at: E-mail: helpdesk(a)apnic.net Phone: +617 3858 3188 Fax: +617 3858 3199 Regards ______________________________________________________________________ APNIC Secretariat <secretariat(a)apnic.net> Asia Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC) Tel: +61-7-3858-3100 PO Box 2131 Milton, QLD 4064 Australia Fax: +61-7-3858-3199 ______________________________________________________________________

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Re: Cisco moves even more to china.
by Joe Johnson 24 Sep '04

24 Sep '04

While it is certainly an operational issue if there are no operators left (or on the flip side, too many), I think even that is quite a stretch. Perhaps the economic discussion can be completed elsewhere? Joe Johnson ________________________________ From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Joseph Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:24 PM To: nanog(a)nanog.org Cc: Suresh Ramasubramanian Subject: Re: Cisco moves even more to china. Hello Suresh, I appreciate and respect your opinion. Please offer me that same respect in kind. I am aware of the fact of our diverse global economy and only think as many in US do we should be fair and equitable to all parties WORLDWIDE. Respectfully yours, Joseph Suresh Ramasubramanian <suresh(a)outblaze.com> wrote: Joseph [23/09/04 18:53 -0700]: > Don't Support Outsourcing I suggest you lead by example. > Don't buy from companies that outsource US jobs. Be very vocal and Now please go unplug all your cisco and juniper equipment. Then open up your servers and remove all the RAM / hard disks etc that are made in Malaysia / Taiwan etc. Oh wait - check the labels on your clothes. The last Macy's I visited had a whole lot of shirts / trousers / underwear that had US brand names but were all made in Vietnam / China / Bangladesh etc. You might want to strip them off and wear just your own, all american skin. Sheesh. Please take it to Lou Dobbs, or if you have any more rational arguments than these to advocate what looks like a boycott of cisco equipment, please take it to somewhere like Dave Farber's IP .. lots of posters there love to beat this dead horse even more than you do. srs ________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/10/*http:/promotions.yahoo.com/ new_mail/static/efficiency.html> - Send 10MB messages!

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