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Re: Fundamental changes to Internet architecture
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

--David Andersen <dga+(a)cs.cmu.edu> wrote: >In fact, Fergie's later comment "... We're pretty far along in our >current architecture to 'fundamentally' change" is actually the root of >what I think DC is trying to get at. I think it's a very reasonable >question to ask: Is the Internet heading towards a local maxima? (I >don't know the answer!) What is it possible to change in today's >Internet? Imagine a couple of things that seem desirable: Better security & authentication systems are on the top of my list. But this is an extremely slippery topic for a number of reasons--primarily, I think, because operating systems and applications are commercial endeavors, and therefore market driven. I think that as long as the Internet, and more importantly connectivity to it, remains in the commercial realm, these particular issues are difficult to acheive, regardless of even the standards processes, IMO. Not that I don't think it is not able to be achieved, just that it's commercial nature makes it more difficult. :-) - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: Fundamental changes to Internet architecture
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

Well, it _is_ research, after all... :-) - ferg -- John Kristoff <jtk(a)northwestern.edu> wrote: > With all respect to Dave, and not to sound too skeptical, > but we're pretty far along in our current architecture to > "fundamentally" change, don't you think (emphasis on > fundamentally)? >From the article it seems clear that the focus is on 'new', not 'changed'. No need (and probably little likelihood now) to change this architecture if you don't want to, but a new architecture may come along that make this one seem quite outmoded. I'm skeptical about something truly new coming from this specific project, but I hope it comes from somewhere. With any luck someday we'll be referred to as those 'old interphants'. :-) John -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 01 Jul '05

01 Jul '05

This report has been generated at Fri Jul 1 21:45:49 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 24-06-05 161602 110023 25-06-05 161611 110060 26-06-05 161563 110077 27-06-05 161541 110072 28-06-05 161583 110024 29-06-05 161481 110119 30-06-05 161629 110141 01-07-05 161844 110246 AS Summary 19861 Number of ASes in routing system 8187 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1478 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 90549760 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 01Jul05 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 161916 110236 51680 31.9% All ASes AS4323 1123 221 902 80.3% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom AS18566 825 8 817 99.0% COVAD - Covad Communications AS4134 909 228 681 74.9% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS721 1111 568 543 48.9% DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center AS27364 555 22 533 96.0% ACS-INTERNET - Armstrong Cable Services AS7018 1478 957 521 35.3% ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS7725 497 15 482 97.0% CCH-AS7 - Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc AS22773 498 25 473 95.0% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. AS6197 927 507 420 45.3% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS3602 542 150 392 72.3% SPRINT-CA-AS - Sprint Canada Inc. AS17676 436 80 356 81.7% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS6467 382 34 348 91.1% ESPIRECOMM - e.spire Communications, Inc. AS9929 367 49 318 86.6% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS4766 577 281 296 51.3% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS6140 394 113 281 71.3% IMPSAT-USA - ImpSat AS14654 282 12 270 95.7% WAYPORT - Wayport AS15270 310 59 251 81.0% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS5668 488 239 249 51.0% AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS1239 880 638 242 27.5% SPRINTLINK - Sprint AS23126 260 20 240 92.3% KMCTELCOM-DIA - KMC Telecom, Inc. AS2386 881 650 231 26.2% INS-AS - AT&T Data Communications Services AS4755 526 298 228 43.3% VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System AS6167 296 71 225 76.0% CELLCO-PART - Cellco Partnership AS812 242 20 222 91.7% ROGERS-CABLE - Rogers Cable Inc. AS6198 462 240 222 48.1% BATI-MIA - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS22909 363 149 214 59.0% DNEO-OSP1 - Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. AS11456 312 99 213 68.3% NUVOX - NuVox Communications, Inc. AS9498 326 114 212 65.0% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS6478 378 167 211 55.8% ATT-INTERNET3 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS9583 756 551 205 27.1% SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited Total 17383 6585 10798 62.1% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 64.9.224.0/19 AS209 ASN-QWEST - Qwest 64.17.32.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.33.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.37.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.127.0.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 66.37.96.0/20 AS3764 IA-HOU-AS - Internet America, Inc. 66.187.96.0/22 AS9227 ONEHUNDRED-AS-AP ONE HUNDRED SERVICES, INC. 66.187.96.0/24 AS9227 ONEHUNDRED-AS-AP ONE HUNDRED SERVICES, INC. 66.187.97.0/24 AS9227 ONEHUNDRED-AS-AP ONE HUNDRED SERVICES, INC. 66.187.98.0/24 AS9227 ONEHUNDRED-AS-AP ONE HUNDRED SERVICES, INC. 66.187.99.0/24 AS9227 ONEHUNDRED-AS-AP ONE HUNDRED SERVICES, INC. 66.187.100.0/24 AS18194 PMMSI-AS-AP Philippine Multi-Media 66.187.101.0/24 AS18194 PMMSI-AS-AP Philippine Multi-Media 66.187.102.0/24 AS18194 PMMSI-AS-AP Philippine Multi-Media 66.187.103.0/24 AS18194 PMMSI-AS-AP Philippine Multi-Media 66.187.104.0/24 AS18194 PMMSI-AS-AP Philippine Multi-Media 66.187.105.0/24 AS18194 PMMSI-AS-AP Philippine Multi-Media 66.187.108.0/24 AS10026 ANC Asia Netcom Corporation 66.205.193.0/24 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.205.194.0/24 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.205.206.0/24 AS21510 TRISTAR - Tristar Communications 70.64.0.0/13 AS6327 SHAW - Shaw Communications Inc. 72.24.0.0/16 AS11492 CABLEONE - CABLE ONE 72.29.80.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.81.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.82.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.83.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.84.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.85.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.86.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.87.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.88.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.89.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.90.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.91.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.92.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.93.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.94.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 72.29.95.0/24 AS22659 LIQUIDIX - LIQUID COMMUNICATIONS, INC. 132.0.0.0/10 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 138.136.0.0/13 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 158.0.0.0/13 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 163.142.0.0/16 AS2500 JPNIC-ASBLOCK-AP JPNIC 190.192.193.0/24 AS3301 TELIANET-SWEDEN TeliaNet Sweden 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS7575 AARNET-AS-AP Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.44.0.0/24 AS5501 FRAUNHOFER-CLUSTER-BW Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCNET-AS - National Research Council of Canada 192.81.182.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.88.99.0/24 AS29259 DE-IABG-TELEPORT IABG Teleport, DE 192.107.104.0/24 AS6458 GUATEL 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS - National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP service G-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS4004 GLOBALONE-EQUANT-UK Equant UK & Greece Autonomous System 192.135.50.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 192.136.53.0/24 AS8346 SONATEL-AS Autonomous System 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.200.100.0/24 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 193.30.28.0/22 AS12374 LFNET-AS01 LF.net Netzwerksysteme GmbH 193.32.19.0/24 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.32.20.0/23 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.36.1.0/24 AS8220 COLT COLT Telecommunications - www.colt.net <www.colt.net> 193.37.69.0/24 AS2856 BT-UK-AS BTnet UK Regional network 193.37.236.0/24 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.110.77.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.110.78.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.110.79.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.110.97.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 194.31.227.0/24 AS21461 TRANSFAIRNET Transfair-net GmbH Krefeld 194.32.174.0/23 AS8426 CLARANET-AS ClaraNET 194.59.176.0/20 AS1273 CW Cable & Wireless 194.59.178.0/24 AS8481 TRANSNET transnet INTERNET Services 194.153.156.0/24 AS24865 KMITCHELL-AS Keith Mitchell's Network 194.246.72.0/23 AS8893 ARTFILES-AS Artfiles New Media GmbH 196.2.95.0/24 AS8668 TELONE-AS TelOne Zimbabwe P/L 196.3.162.0/24 AS6083 AFRINIC African Network Information Center 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM - Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.97.72.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.80.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.88.0/24 AS89 NUSC-CSTLNET-AS - Naval Underwater Systems Center 198.97.240.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.97.247.0/24 AS3475 LANT-AFLOAT - Department of the Navy 198.101.4.0/22 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 198.136.32.0/20 AS19329 MCNET - Martin County Board of County Commissioners 198.144.32.0/19 AS3998 CITY-NET - CityNet, Inc. 198.160.171.0/24 AS7046 UUNET-CUSTOMER - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.161.87.0/24 AS6539 GROUPTLCOM - GT Group Telecom Services Corp. 198.163.155.0/24 AS684 MTSAL-ASN - MTS Allstream Inc. 198.167.0.0/16 AS7456 INTERHOP - Interhop Network SERVICES Inc. 198.167.163.0/24 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 198.168.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.169.0.0/16 AS803 SASKTEL - SaskTel 198.203.254.0/23 AS7046 UUNET-CUSTOMER - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 198.232.133.0/24 AS23075 SKOTOS-AS - Skotos Tech, Inc 199.9.128.0/17 AS668 ASN-ASNET-NET-AS - Defense Research and Engineering Network 199.10.0.0/16 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.60.0.0/20 AS271 BCNET-AS - University of British Columbia 199.96.44.0/23 AS19092 360NETWORKS-US - 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.96.46.0/24 AS19092 360NETWORKS-US - 360Networks (USA) Inc. 199.114.0.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.128.0/18 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.130.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.132.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.134.0/24 AS3541 ITSDN-U4 - DISA/UNRRA 199.114.136.0/24 AS27044 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.138.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.140.0/24 AS3544 ITSDN-U7 - DISA/UNRRA 199.114.142.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.144.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.148.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.150.0/24 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.152.0/24 AS27033 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.153.0/24 AS27034 DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center 199.114.154.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.114.160.0/24 AS1733 CENTAF-SWA - AF DDN PMO 199.120.32.0/19 AS16582 NEXTLEVELINTERNET - NEXTLEVEL INTERNET, INC. 199.121.0.0/16 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.0.0/18 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.16.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.123.80.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 199.189.32.0/19 AS7332 IQUEST-AS - IQuest Internet 199.202.0.0/16 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 200.49.0.0/20 AS14551 ALTERNET-SA-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 200.49.8.0/21 AS6140 IMPSAT-USA - ImpSat 201.217.128.0/18 AS6057 Administracion Nacional de Telecomunicaciones 202.86.252.0/22 AS9304 HUTCHISON-AS-AP Hutchison Global Communications 202.93.0.0/20 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 203.62.0.0/17 AS7572 AARNET-ACT-RNO Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 203.78.48.0/20 AS9299 IPG-AS-AP Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company 203.99.0.0/19 AS17746 ORCONINTERNET-NZ-AP Orcon Internet 203.99.142.0/24 AS9826 ILINK-HK-AP iLink.net Ltd 203.210.69.0/24 AS17536 PRODIGY-AS-AP Prodidgy Telecommunications 204.48.118.0/23 AS29912 CITIZENS-PROPERTY-INSURANCE-CORPORATION - Citizens Property Insurance Corporation 204.48.119.0/24 AS29912 CITIZENS-PROPERTY-INSURANCE-CORPORATION - Citizens Property Insurance Corporation 204.154.125.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.126.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.154.127.0/24 AS3952 TELLABS-ASN - TELLABS Operations, Inc. 204.194.110.0/23 AS30653 EXOBIT - Exobit Networks Inc. 205.150.0.0/15 AS701 ALTERNET-AS - UUNET Technologies, Inc. 206.108.96.0/19 AS577 BACOM - Bell Advanced Communications Inc. 206.128.104.0/21 AS11709 VIC - VIRTUAL INTERACTIVE CENTER 206.167.57.0/24 AS376 RISQ-AS - Reseau Interordinateurs Scientique Quebecois (RISQ) 206.188.0.0/20 AS14492 DATAPIPE - DataPipe 206.191.64.0/18 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 206.191.96.0/19 AS15290 ALLST-15290 - Allstream Corp. Corporation Allstream 207.32.160.0/19 AS14563 MICROCAST - Microcast, Inc 207.32.219.0/24 AS4508 NETSOUTH - American Registry for Internet Numbers 207.32.220.0/24 AS4508 NETSOUTH - American Registry for Internet Numbers 207.231.96.0/19 AS11194 NUNETPA - NuNet Inc 208.53.224.0/19 AS13576 SDNET - SOUTH DAKOTA NETWORK 208.138.48.0/20 AS6971 ATG-1 - Advanced Telcom Group, Inc 209.40.208.0/21 AS16592 Cybernet El Salvador 209.40.216.0/21 AS16592 Cybernet El Salvador 209.44.124.0/24 AS22241 ICCEPTS - Integrated Communications Concepts 209.205.69.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.70.0/24 AS21578 Universidad autonoma de Bucaramanga 209.205.81.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.82.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.205.84.0/24 AS15066 SkyNet de Colombia S.A. 209.213.32.0/19 AS10629 INTERPAC - Inter-Pacific Network Services 209.251.0.0/19 AS11036 SISCOM - SISCOM, Inc 216.37.110.0/23 AS4264 CERNET-ASN-BLOCK - California Education and Research Federation Network 216.82.160.0/20 AS20481 CALYX-NL Calyx Internet B.V. Netherlands 216.96.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 216.145.200.0/21 AS20304 JVLNET - JVLNET Internet Services 216.171.96.0/20 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.178.37.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.178.39.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.178.42.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.178.43.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 216.228.64.0/21 AS6295 WHIDBEY1 - Whidbey Internet Services Please see http://www.cidr-report.org for the full report ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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RE: ATM
by James Laszko 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Most MPLS networks use a combination of point to point, frame and ATM facilities as the infrastructure. The phone companies use ATM just about everywhere to deliver voice across their networks. I don't see ATM/FR equipment being EOL'd anytime in the near future. James Laszko Pipeline Communications, Inc. james(a)pcipros.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Christopher L. Morrow Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:25 AM To: Jason Frisvold Cc: Petri Helenius; Philip Lavine; nanog Subject: Re: ATM On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, Jason Frisvold wrote: > > On 6/29/05, Petri Helenius <pete(a)he.iki.fi> wrote: > > Maybe the small fact that ATM is fading away and building new networks > > with technology going away is going to explode your operational cost in > > a few years time. Business grade IP networks will provide you with equal > > if not better performance than a "dedicated" ATM WAN. > > And being replaced with .... ? GigE? DPT/RPR? MPLS? > > ATM is a great technology... Unfortunately, I don't think it was ever > fully utilized.. From what I understand, MPLS takes some of the good > bits and combines it with traditional routing.. But I don't see a lot > of MPLS implementations either... look to the private networks luke... Seriously, many large private ATM/Frame networks are transitioning to MPLS networks because the ATM or Frame gear is/was/will-be-shortly EOL/EOS from the vendors. The costs to run these networks don't jibe well with the alternatives. Now, start the discussion on: "private network" and "mpls vpn" and "oops, hey, that runs over the same routers as that bad-old Internet thing with the haxors and such!" :)

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Equinox Power Failure
by Pablo's Gmail 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

Does anyone have related and/or specific outage information to the Equinox IBX facility in Chicago that occurred this past weekend? I'm more curious of actual root cause of their power facilities, outage timelines, response times...etc. thanks, Pablo

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Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

The author of the TechWeb article wrote those words extolling "improved security measures", not me, dude. :-) I stated explicitly that all of the "new features" lauded by v6 proponents have effectively been retro-fitted to v4, thereby negating almost every v6 migration argument, with the exception of a larger host address pool. Equally dumbfounded in v4-land, - ferg -- "Christopher L. Morrow" <christopher.morrow(a)mci.com> wrote: > over the current IPv4 technology. Among the additional > advantages of IPv6 are improved security measures and > additional links for wireless devices. > which 'security measures' are included in ipv6? which additional links for wireless devices? This keeps coming up in each discussion about v6, 'what security measures' is never really defined in any real sense. As near as I can tell it's level of 'security' is no better (and probably worse at the outset, for the implementations not the protocol itself) than v4. I could be wrong, but I'm just not seeing any 'inherent security' in v6, and selling it that way is just a bad plan. -dazed and confused in ipv4-land. -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008
by Fergie (Paul Ferguson) 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

I'm glad you brought that up. :-) As a follow-up to the two posts that I made earlier about Congressional hearings and the OMB mandate, let me applaud Congressman Tom Davis (did I really just say that?!?) for making a salient point during the hearings yesteday: "Asian countries have been aggressive in adopting IPv6 technology, because Asia controls only about 9 percent of the allocated IPv4 addresses and yet has more than half of the world's population," Congressman Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.), chairman of the Committee on Government Reform, said at the hearings. Davis noted that Asian governments have invested hundreds of millions of dollars in IPv6 technology, which vastly opens up the number of Internet addresses over the current IPv4 technology. Among the additional advantages of IPv6 are improved security measures and additional links for wireless devices. ref: http://www.techweb.com/wire/networking/164904243 In addition to Davis' point, I think that it bears to remember that "newer" doesn't mean "better". The Internet is about end-to-end connectivity, not if one version of a particluar set of protocols is "newer" than another. It's all about the connectivity, man. Bear in mind--and as Congressman Tom Davis mentions in the article above--the primary reason that Asia (and to a lesser extent Europe) is primarily interested in IPv6 is that it has a larger pool of available IP host addresses. Virtually all of the "newer" functionality that IPv6 offers has been retro-fitted into IPv4. No, back to your regularly scheduled programming. - ferg -- Mohacsi Janos <mohacsi(a)niif.hu> wrote: > GOSIP II anybody? Will it be different this time than it was with OSI? > Everyone had to scramble in the late 1980s to get OSI stuff done, then the > gov't never used it. > Certainly will be different. Lots of network in Asia and Europe already started to use IPv6 in production..... -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/

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New IANA IPv4 allocation for RIPE NCC (89/8, 90/8, 91/8)
by Doug Barton 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, This is to inform you that the IANA has allocated the following three (3) IPv4 /8 blocks to RIPE NCC: 89/8 90/8 91/8 For a full list of IANA IPv4 allocations please see: <http://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv4-address-space> - -- Doug Barton General Manager, The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCxEwgwtDPyTesBYwRAjajAJ9bo5grWwRRsKakb4mgn9Mh2/GL7QCgheO6 Xirb1dsrMytiQeUa8GZKE4Y= =sDQ0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008
by Kuhtz, Christian 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

> So, the questions are: will OMB fund the transfer of the US gov't > sites? Will there ever be a US gov't web site only on IPv6? (I > think the API issue has been solved.) While that would certainly be nice.. There doesn't need to be. Unlike GOSIP, IPv6 is largely transparent, thanks to all the work that has been done on this subject in the IETF. ***** "The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers." 118

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RE: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008
by Kuhtz, Christian 30 Jun '05

30 Jun '05

No kidding. He should be nominated to head up coordinating transition planning to IPv6. ;-) Not that I'm complaining, GOSIP paid my contract fees in 1996/1997 (sic). Most of these clowns don't realize how hard these mandates are to stop if they turn out to be in error, especially if they make it into RFP requirements again (which they undoubtedly will). Ooof. I wouldn't mind seeing IPv6, but as a market forces driven thing not as a mandate. Besides, what all these incredibly wise folks (NOT) are missing is that this isn't like GOSIP at all. IPv6 can happily exist without IPv4 having any clue about it, which is one of the cool things about it actually. So, anyone mandating this conversion should be taken out back and shot for exhibiting spectacular lapses in clue. IPv6. Coming to a toaster near you. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of > Fergie (Paul Ferguson) > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 11:38 AM > To: dts(a)senie.com > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008 > > > > Thought thief. ;-) > > - ferg > > > -- Daniel Senie <dts(a)senie.com> wrote: > > >Just in case anyone was wondering, U.S. gummint agencies will > >be screaming in migration agony for the next couple of years. ;-) > > > >http://www.fcw.com/article89432-06-29-05-Web > > GOSIP II anybody? Will it be different this time than it was with > OSI? Everyone had to scramble in the late 1980s to get OSI stuff > done, then the gov't never used it. > > -- > "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson > Engineering Architecture for the Internet > fergdawg(a)netzero.net or fergdawg(a)sbcglobal.net > ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/ ***** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from all computers. 162

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