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Re: Drone Army (how to contact)?
by infowolfe 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

No need anymore, I've already spoken with both Gadi and Randy on the matter that concerned me. Thanks, Allen On 2/17/06, Roland Dobbins <rdobbins(a)cisco.com> wrote: > > cc'ing Gadi. > > On Feb 17, 2006, at 2:10 AM, infowolfe wrote: > > > > > I'd really like to know how I can get ahold of the people that do the > > Drone Army reports, as I am a serveradmin on an irc network that was > > identified as being abusive. > > > > If you're responding as part of the Drone Army, please reply to me > > off list. > > > > Allen Parker > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Roland Dobbins <rdobbins(a)cisco.com> // 408.527.6376 voice > > Everything has been said. But nobody listens. > > -- Roger Shattuck > >

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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Table Analysis 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfs(a)cisco.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 18 Feb, 2006 Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 181818 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 101253 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 88390 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 21539 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 18718 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 8901 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2821 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 71 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 4.5 Max AS path length visible: 25 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 8 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 12 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1497414880 Equivalent to 89 /8s, 64 /16s and 188 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 40.4 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 59.6 Percentage of available address space allocated: 67.8 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 88714 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 38138 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 16214 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 35865 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 17515 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2471 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 682 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 380 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.5 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 21 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 213143264 Equivalent to 12 /8s, 180 /16s and 78 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 66.6 APNIC AS Blocks 4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 121/8, 122/7, 124/7, 126/8, 202/7 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 95582 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 56516 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 74869 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 28469 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 10520 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 3939 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 964 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 4.3 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 17 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 287630592 Equivalent to 17 /8s, 36 /16s and 229 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 71.4 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863 ARIN Address Blocks 24/8, 63/8, 64/6, 68/7, 70/6, 74/7, 76/8, 198/7, 204/6, 208/7 and 216/8 RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 35923 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 24185 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 32944 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 22224 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 7661 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 4015 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1289 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 5.0 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 19 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 236823424 Equivalent to 14 /8s, 29 /16s and 163 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 70.6 RIPE AS Blocks 1877-1901, 2043, 2047, 2107-2136, 2585-2614 (pre-ERX allocations) 2773-2822, 2830-2879, 3154-3353, 5377-5631 6656-6911, 8192-9215, 12288-13311, 15360-16383 20480-21503, 24576-25599, 28672-29695 30720-31743, 33792-35839, 38912-39935 RIPE Address Blocks 62/8, 80/5, 88/6, 188/8, 193/8, 194/7, 212/7 and 217/8 LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 10234 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 3455 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 8426 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 4988 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 674 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 222 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 120 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 5.1 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 25 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 25451008 Equivalent to 1 /8s, 132 /16s and 90 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 37.9 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592-26623, 27648-28671, plus ERX transfers LACNIC Address Blocks 189/8, 190/8, 200/7 AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 1928 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 883 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 1293 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 886 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 147 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 43 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 23 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.4 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 14 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 3779584 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 57 /16s and 172 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 11.3 AfriNIC AS Blocks 36864-37887 & ERX transfers AfriNIC Address Blocks 41/8, 196/8 APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 4134 996 6480 204 CHINANET-BACKBONE 9583 852 109 15 Sify Limited 4766 701 3927 301 Korea Telecom (KIX) 4755 665 255 61 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 1221 652 1428 468 Telstra Pty Ltd 9498 535 211 73 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 7545 517 108 70 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 17488 515 31 7 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 17676 480 6949 104 Softbank BB Corp. 9443 411 94 85 Primus Telecommunications 4802 367 75 159 Wantree Development 2907 341 1763 318 SINET Japan 9929 331 218 50 China Netcom Corp. 18101 326 68 26 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 17974 321 77 38 PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 17557 316 25 162 Pakistan Telecom 7474 298 211 230 SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 4780 281 226 16 Digital United Inc. 9837 272 78 168 Powertel Ltd 9800 260 410 67 CHINA UNICOM ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 7018 1467 6263 948 AT&T WorldNet Services 4323 1208 711 235 Time Warner Telecom 721 993 21921 302 DLA Systems Automation Center 174 986 5787 928 Cogent Communications 6197 985 458 511 BellSouth Network Solutions, 701 957 8065 792 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 18566 909 272 8 Covad Communications 2386 888 505 664 AT&T Data Communications Serv 1239 847 2790 607 Sprint 19029 701 152 115 New Edge Networks 209 693 3607 542 Qwest 20115 664 582 356 Charter Communications 6198 652 449 238 BellSouth Network Solutions, 22773 632 1480 40 Cox Communications, Inc. 11492 628 81 12 Cable One 19262 628 1831 156 Verizon Global Networks 852 572 1088 380 Telus Advanced Communications 855 571 244 64 Canadian Research Network 19916 563 49 54 OLM LLC 3602 522 127 106 Sprint Canada, Inc. RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 702 586 1952 462 UUNET - Commercial IP service 3301 305 1071 290 TeliaNet Sweden 3352 303 1500 30 Ibernet, Internet Access Netw 3320 281 3477 235 Deutsche Telekom AG 8220 274 474 268 COLT Telecommunications 680 243 2025 240 DFN-IP service G-WiN 3246 229 487 219 Song Networks 6746 224 86 196 Dynamic Network Technologies, 8708 223 274 206 Romania Data Systems S.A. 1257 204 712 173 SWIPnet Swedish IP Network 8551 187 181 25 Bezeq International 3269 186 1925 70 TELECOM ITALIA 5515 176 839 124 Sonera Solution Autonomous Sy 3215 174 1438 85 France Telecom Transpac 786 173 1794 173 The JANET IP Service 8866 171 37 12 Bulgarian Telecommunication C 24863 169 38 9 LINKdotNET AS number 3300 166 171 94 AUCS Communications Services 5400 166 328 135 BT Ignite European Backbone 6830 163 733 34 UPC Distribution Services LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 8151 578 1051 219 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 22047 383 142 10 VTR PUNTO NET S.A. 11172 303 110 77 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 16814 295 18 7 NSS, S.A. 14117 184 11 6 Telefonica del Sur S.A. 7303 157 74 18 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 6147 154 126 22 Telefonica Del Peru 11556 130 64 3 Cable-Wireless Panama 19169 123 8 30 Telconet 10481 121 48 8 Prima S.A. 21826 116 15 19 INTERCABLE 6503 114 149 81 AVANTEL, S.A. 5639 113 12 9 Telecommunications Services o 6505 108 88 80 Global One Communicaoes Ltda 23216 105 23 10 RAMtelecom Telecomunicaciones 18822 99 8 10 TELEFONICA MANQUEHUE 25620 99 6 3 COTAS LTDA 7315 96 6 3 Grupo Rey Moreno 14522 96 12 8 SatNet S.A. 11311 95 8 23 Sinectis S.A. AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 3741 278 819 234 The Internet Solution 8452 164 60 7 TEDATA 5536 122 8 16 Internet Egypt Network 2018 117 298 103 Tertiary Education Network 6713 105 103 12 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 15475 103 84 4 Nile Online 2905 74 155 67 The Internetworking Company o 24835 60 50 7 RAYA Telecom - Egypt 20928 58 16 2 Noor Advanced Technologies AS 5713 39 294 35 Telkom SA Ltd 15706 31 8 3 Sudatel Internet Exchange Aut 33774 30 7 21 AS Number for Telecom Algeria 12455 27 6 3 Jambonet Autonomous system 23889 26 8 11 MAURITIUS TELECOM 8524 24 1 4 AUCEGYPT Autonomous System 16637 23 10 21 Johnnic e-Ventures 10798 22 1 13 Standard Bank of South Africa 8346 21 14 18 SONATEL-AS Autonomous System 15804 17 2 1 AS of The Way Out Internet So 15808 17 2 2 Communication Solutions Ltd i Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 4323 1208 973 Time Warner Telecom 18566 909 901 Covad Communications 9583 852 837 Sify Limited 4134 996 792 CHINANET-BACKBONE 721 993 691 DLA Systems Automation Center 11492 628 616 Cable One 4755 665 604 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 22773 632 592 Cox Communications, Inc. 19029 701 586 New Edge Networks 19916 563 509 OLM LLC 17488 515 508 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 855 571 507 Canadian Research Network 5668 517 492 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 6197 985 474 BellSouth Network Solutions, 19262 628 472 Verizon Global Networks 9498 535 462 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 7545 517 447 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 7757 462 443 AT&T Broadband 3602 522 416 Sprint Canada, Inc. 6198 652 414 BellSouth Network Solutions, List of Unregistered ASNs (Global) ---------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 33364 UNALLOCATED 65.111.76.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Servic 65211 PRIVATE 125.64.3.0/24 4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE 65005 PRIVATE 159.153.148.0/22 24989 IX Europe Frankfurt 65202 PRIVATE 195.47.234.0/24 23649 New Skies Satellites 65505 PRIVATE 206.252.200.192/27 8002 Stealth Communicatio 65518 PRIVATE 211.144.192.0/19 24421 * 64512 PRIVATE 218.108.0.0/16 24139 HANGZHOU DIGITAL TV 64512 PRIVATE 218.109.0.0/16 24139 HANGZHOU DIGITAL TV Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 132.0.0.0/10 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 137.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 158.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.43.230.0/24 7575 Australian Academic and Rease 192.44.0.0/24 5501 Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.44.0.0/19 702 UUNET - Commercial IP service 192.70.164.0/24 25689 National Research Council of 192.72.0.0/18 4780 Digital United Inc. 192.72.0.0/16 4780 Digital United Inc. 192.84.205.0/24 719 LANLINK autonomous system 192.119.135.0/24 270 NASA 192.172.0.0/19 721 DLA Systems Automation Center Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:18 /9:9 /10:8 /11:23 /12:87 /13:200 /14:350 /15:695 /16:8716 /17:3081 /18:5100 /19:11307 /20:12612 /21:10851 /22:13891 /23:15052 /24:98843 /25:353 /26:264 /27:201 /28:58 /29:24 /30:32 /31:3 /32:40 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 18566 892 909 Covad Communications 6197 789 985 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7018 750 1467 AT&T WorldNet Services 9583 672 852 Sify Limited 19029 623 701 New Edge Networks 11492 620 628 Cable One 2386 617 888 AT&T Data Communications Serv 4323 584 1208 Time Warner Telecom 19916 557 563 OLM LLC 6198 517 652 BellSouth Network Solutions, 4766 506 701 Korea Telecom (KIX) 7011 446 516 Citizens Utilities 7757 444 462 AT&T Broadband 855 443 571 Canadian Research Network 5668 402 517 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 702 371 586 UUNET - Commercial IP service 1239 368 847 Sprint 15270 348 378 PaeTec.net -a division of Pae 6517 340 369 Yipes Communications, Inc. 22773 331 632 Cox Communications, Inc. Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 4:3 8:40 12:1634 13:1 15:12 16:3 17:3 18:4 20:44 24:859 25:1 30:2 32:67 38:196 40:54 44:3 47:3 52:4 55:1 56:3 57:33 58:119 59:163 60:181 61:803 62:762 63:1903 64:3003 65:2240 66:3053 67:594 68:675 69:1433 70:310 71:50 72:618 73:23 74:6 80:750 81:584 82:516 83:370 84:347 85:444 86:312 87:169 88:22 89:31 124:19 125:267 128:152 129:174 130:106 131:313 132:32 133:7 134:146 135:47 136:168 137:60 138:191 139:87 140:475 141:133 142:413 143:144 144:223 145:38 146:304 147:133 148:327 149:185 150:113 151:75 152:61 153:103 154:6 155:184 156:96 157:123 158:158 159:180 160:87 161:68 162:220 163:143 164:167 165:201 166:147 167:235 168:470 169:140 170:321 171:12 172:1 190:30 192:5745 193:3392 194:2511 195:1774 196:762 198:3895 199:3240 200:4169 201:603 202:6425 203:6754 204:3885 205:2092 206:2410 207:2911 208:1992 209:3759 210:1944 211:823 212:1271 213:1474 214:332 215:41 216:4005 217:1172 218:239 219:145 220:642 221:346 222:154 End of report

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metric 0 vs 'no metric at all'
by Alexander Koch 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

Hiya, I was wondering if someone had done any or some research on this before... basically I am not sure with all the many implementations of BGP and all the vendors if and what those will do when they see a metric of 0 and no metric. I am not an expert knowing the actual protocol's messages exchanged, but I see some routes with nothing in the metric field on the various show commands, and some have explicit '0' metric. I do not trust all the BGP implementations around, and we consider changing the default outbound, with MEDs of course still available on request. Alexander

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The Cidr Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

This report has been generated at Fri Feb 17 21:46:53 2006 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table History Date Prefixes CIDR Agg 10-02-06 177853 117660 11-02-06 177886 117658 12-02-06 178120 117757 13-02-06 178249 117785 14-02-06 178232 117883 15-02-06 178454 117890 16-02-06 178290 117967 17-02-06 178434 117952 AS Summary 21444 Number of ASes in routing system 8908 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix 1456 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS AS7018 : ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 91308800 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s) AS721 : DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center Aggregation Summary The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes'). --- 17Feb06 --- ASnum NetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description Table 178505 117983 60522 33.9% All ASes AS4323 1204 239 965 80.1% TWTC - Time Warner Telecom AS18566 909 9 900 99.0% COVAD - Covad Communications Co. AS4134 978 251 727 74.3% CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street AS721 1020 312 708 69.4% DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center AS22773 629 48 581 92.4% CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. AS6197 994 477 517 52.0% BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS7018 1456 948 508 34.9% ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services AS855 571 64 507 88.8% CANET-ASN-4 - Aliant Telecom AS19916 563 65 498 88.5% ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC AS7757 462 19 443 95.9% CCCH-AS4 - Comcast Cable Communications Holdings, Inc AS17488 515 86 429 83.3% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over Cable Internet AS3602 522 106 416 79.7% AS3602-RTI - Rogers Telecom Inc. AS812 438 28 410 93.6% ROGERS-CABLE - Rogers Cable Inc. AS6198 651 243 408 62.7% BATI-MIA - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc AS9498 534 129 405 75.8% BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. AS17676 480 104 376 78.3% JPNIC-JP-ASN-BLOCK Japan Network Information Center AS11492 628 263 365 58.1% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE AS4766 666 303 363 54.5% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom AS6467 394 52 342 86.8% ESPIRECOMM - e.spire Communications, Inc. AS15270 372 31 341 91.7% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec.net -a division of PaeTecCommunications, Inc. AS4755 662 330 332 50.2% VSNL-AS Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Autonomous System AS22047 383 60 323 84.3% VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A. AS18101 326 34 292 89.6% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Data Centre, AS14654 300 14 286 95.3% WAYPORT - Wayport AS3352 303 30 273 90.1% TELEFONICA-DATA-ESPANA Internet Access Network of TDE AS6167 339 67 272 80.2% CELLCO-PART - Cellco Partnership AS9583 852 583 269 31.6% SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited AS5668 516 249 267 51.7% AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. AS9929 320 57 263 82.2% CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. AS16814 295 54 241 81.7% NSS S.A. Total 18282 5255 13027 71.3% Top 30 total Possible Bogus Routes 24.246.0.0/17 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 24.246.128.0/18 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 64.17.32.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.33.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.17.37.0/24 AS13488 CBWU-13488 - Continental Broadband Florida, Inc DBA WebUnited 64.25.224.0/20 AS12180 INTERNAP-2BLK - Internap Network Services 64.25.224.0/22 AS15083 INFOLINK-MIA-US - Infolink Information Services Inc. 64.38.96.0/19 AS19654 HOSTING-NETWORK - HOSTING-NETWORK, INC. 64.127.128.0/17 AS19654 HOSTING-NETWORK - HOSTING-NETWORK, INC. 66.11.32.0/20 AS6261 VISINET - Visionary Systems, Inc. 66.37.96.0/20 AS3764 IA-HOU-AS - Internet America, Inc. 66.51.134.0/24 AS29876 LNTC - Latency LLC 66.96.0.0/20 AS3770 WORLDPATH-AS - WorldPath Internet Services 66.117.0.0/19 AS33104 FUZION-COLO - FUZION COLO 66.117.0.0/21 AS30033 NHI-NETWORKS - NHI Networks 66.117.8.0/24 AS174 COGENT Cogent/PSI 66.117.23.0/24 AS31972 EMGINECONCEPT-01 - Emagine Concept, Inc. 66.117.25.0/24 AS31972 EMGINECONCEPT-01 - Emagine Concept, Inc. 66.117.26.0/24 AS31972 EMGINECONCEPT-01 - Emagine Concept, Inc. 66.117.27.0/24 AS31972 EMGINECONCEPT-01 - Emagine Concept, Inc. 66.186.192.0/19 AS19654 HOSTING-NETWORK - HOSTING-NETWORK, INC. 66.187.96.0/24 AS10026 ANC Asia Netcom Corporation 66.187.108.0/24 AS10026 ANC Asia Netcom Corporation 66.187.109.0/24 AS10026 ANC Asia Netcom Corporation 66.216.0.0/18 AS19654 HOSTING-NETWORK - HOSTING-NETWORK, INC. 66.235.158.0/23 AS7018 ATT-INTERNET4 - AT&T WorldNet Services 69.31.151.0/24 AS26627 AS-PILOSOFT - Pilosoft, Inc. 69.39.193.0/24 AS25973 MZIMA - Mzima Networks, Inc. 69.39.195.0/24 AS25973 MZIMA - Mzima Networks, Inc. 69.39.196.0/24 AS25973 MZIMA - Mzima Networks, Inc. 83.175.128.0/20 AS12968 CDP Crowley Data Poland, sp. z o.o. 85.129.3.0/24 AS14585 CIFNET - CIFNet, Inc. 85.129.4.0/24 AS14585 CIFNET - CIFNet, Inc. 90.192.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. 90.255.248.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. 91.192.0.0/16 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. 91.255.248.0/21 AS12654 RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. 125.213.0.0/16 AS4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 131.64.0.0/12 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 132.0.0.0/10 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 137.0.0.0/13 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 138.136.0.0/13 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 151.135.0.0/16 AS4763 TELSTRANZ-AS TelstraClear Ltd 158.0.0.0/13 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 163.142.0.0/16 AS2500 JPNIC-ASBLOCK-AP JPNIC 192.30.93.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.30.94.0/24 AS17757 HPAUS-AP HP Australia 192.40.105.0/24 AS5515 SONERA-GLOBAL-IP Sonera Solution Autonomous System 192.43.230.0/24 AS7575 AARNET-AS-AP Australian Academic and Reasearch Network (AARNet) 192.44.0.0/19 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 192.44.0.0/24 AS5501 FRAUNHOFER-CLUSTER-BW Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.70.164.0/24 AS25689 NRCNET-AS - National Research Council of Canada 192.72.0.0/16 AS4780 SEEDNET Digital United Inc. 192.72.0.0/18 AS4780 SEEDNET Digital United Inc. 192.72.192.0/18 AS4780 SEEDNET Digital United Inc. 192.81.183.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.81.184.0/24 AS719 ELISA-AS Elisa Oyj 192.88.99.0/24 AS559 SWITCH SWITCH, Swiss Education and Research Network 192.96.36.0/24 AS5713 AFRINIC African Network Information Center 192.96.37.0/24 AS10474 AFRINIC African Network Information Center 192.96.135.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.136.0/23 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.140.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.143.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.145.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.96.177.0/24 AS6083 AFRINIC African Network Information Center 192.96.250.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 192.107.104.0/24 AS6458 GUATEL 192.119.135.0/24 AS270 PSCNI-AS - National Aeronautics and Space Administration 192.124.252.0/22 AS680 DFN-IP DFN-IP service X-WiN 192.133.6.0/24 AS10282 EQUANT-CEEUR EQUANT AS for Central and Eastern Europe region 192.136.53.0/24 AS8346 SONATEL-AS Autonomous System 192.153.144.0/21 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.168.255.255/32 AS4637 REACH Reach Network Border AS 192.172.0.0/19 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 192.188.208.0/20 AS721 DLA-ASNBLOCK-AS - DoD Network Information Center 193.0.246.0/24 AS3303 SWISSCOM Swisscom Solutions Ltd 193.32.19.0/24 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.32.20.0/23 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.36.1.0/24 AS8220 COLT COLT Telecommunications 193.37.69.0/24 AS2856 BT-UK-AS BTnet UK Regional network 193.37.236.0/24 AS702 AS702 MCI EMEA - Commercial IP service provider in Europe 193.110.77.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.110.78.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 193.110.79.0/24 AS3356 LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications 194.31.227.0/24 AS21461 TRANSFAIRNET Transfair-net GmbH Krefeld 194.59.176.0/20 AS1273 CW Cable & Wireless 194.153.156.0/24 AS24865 KMITCHELL-AS Keith Mitchell's Network 194.246.72.0/23 AS8893 ARTFILES-AS Artfiles New Media GmbH 198.23.26.0/24 AS4390 BELLATLANTIC-COM - Bell Atlantic, Inc. 198.54.82.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.54.92.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.54.222.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.54.249.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 1 - The Uninet Project 198.54.250.0/24 AS2018 TENET - 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Drone Army (how to contact)?
by infowolfe 17 Feb '06

17 Feb '06

I'd really like to know how I can get ahold of the people that do the Drone Army reports, as I am a serveradmin on an irc network that was identified as being abusive. If you're responding as part of the Drone Army, please reply to me off list. Allen Parker

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ignore the word "radical"
by Edward B. DREGER 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

Let's look at this a little more carefully. Pretend for a moment that you operate a network "U". Pretend that someone else operates a network "E". Pretend that you share a downstream customer "C". So far, so good. "C" has several different locations, none of which are directly interconnected. They advertise their aggregate netblock, which makes its way to the global table. They also advertise longer prefixes for you to deliver traffic to the specific location; these are tagged NO_REDISTRIBUTE. This does not increase the size of the global table. This does not require proactive registration of an ASN for every potential customer, nor for every other transit provider in the world. It does not require a different ASN for each location "C" has. It does not effect any other number of wacky things that have been suggested. It does require peering between "U" and "E", or de-aggregated prefixes to be leaked between the two. (Ask your transit provider; you're paying them for this service, so it makes them money.) Now say that one person from each location sends in a monthly check for "their" portion of the service. Panic! Horror! Routing no longer works the same way! Yes, aggregation means less flexibility. One therefore aggregates likes together. (Thanks David for the addressing/topology quote.) Some of you might even do this with your global announcements. Must "C" renumber when changing providers? Yes. Sounds familiar. I'm pointing out a way to give consumers dual-homing _today_, using installed technology.[*] I'm not claiming that it answers the question of portable /32s. I'm not saying that they'll be able to prepend AS_PATHs arbitrarily, send BGP communities, etc. -- and I'd even go so far as to claim they typically don't want to. [*] Excepting CPE equipment, which would need a simple BGP speaker. Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita ________________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: davidc(a)brics.com -*- jfconmaapaq(a)intc.net -*- sam(a)everquick.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter.

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Verio
by trainier＠kalsec.com 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

I need a Verio Web Hosting (SME) contact to please contact me off-list. Thanks, Tim Rainier

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keeping the routing table in check: step 1
by Edward B. DREGER 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

Hopefully this thread will be quick and less convoluted. Rather than simply alluding to "one prefix per ASN", I'd like to detail an allocation scheme that works toward that. Find the largest contiguous block. Split in half. Round to appropriate boundary. Assign. Space at the end of the block is reserved for expansion. Ignoring special subnets for simplicity: 0/x, 128/x, 64/x, 192/x, 32/x, 96/x, 160/x, 224/x, 16/x, 48/x, 80/x, 112/x, 144/x, 176/x, 208/x assuming all grow at equal rates. 96/x ends up growing quickly? No problem. Skip 112/x for the time being. In short, allocate IP space logarithmically. Start with /1 alignment, proceed to /2, then /3, and so on. Keep the array as sparse as possible so an assignment can be extended without hitting, say, a stride 4 boundary. Perhaps RIRs should look at filesystems for some hints. Imagine a filesystem that's 30% full yet has as much fragmentation as IPv4 space. Something is wrong. Eddy -- Everquick Internet - http://www.everquick.net/ A division of Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - http://www.brotsman.com/ Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Phone: +1 785 865 5885 Lawrence and [inter]national Phone: +1 316 794 8922 Wichita ________________________________________________________________________ DO NOT send mail to the following addresses: davidc(a)brics.com -*- jfconmaapaq(a)intc.net -*- sam(a)everquick.net Sending mail to spambait addresses is a great way to get blocked. Ditto for broken OOO autoresponders and foolish AV software backscatter.

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(OT) VERIZON NOC CONTACT PLEASE!!!
by Rich Sena 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

All other flame away... -- Rich Sena - ras(a)thick.net ThickNET Consulting "On the way to understanding; you understand, and forget."

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a not so radical proposal for PI in ip6 world: Hierarchial routing tables
by Joe Maimon 16 Feb '06

16 Feb '06

Since the list seems to be accepting topics relating to ipv6 and PI multihoming AGAIN, I thought I would chime in again with my pet idea. Hierarchical routing. It worked for name resolution. It would work for todays routing table, which is the routing equivalent to the host file of old. Let there be a single large prefix that will be used for all PI assignments. Let the single large prefix be further divided into "geographic regions" (nod to Michael D.) Let policies for assignment from this prefix take geographic location into account, and be SMALL, so that another prefix will never be neccessary. Filtering policies include the recommendation to filter out all prefixes longer than either the single large one and/or the local geographic ones. All ISP's hosting customers with prefixes inside the PI prefix would need to advertise at a minimum both the global PI prefix and the appropriate geographic PI prefix. Fast Forward 5 years. Now there are 8 million PI prefixes advertised. Most ISP's routers cannot hold them and all the other 2 million non PI prefixes. Instead ALL ISP's operate a 2 tiered hierarchy of routers. Those that have non-PI prefixes and those that do. The routers with only non-PI prefixes may hold the ISP's local PI prefixes but will filter out any others learned. The routers with only PI prefixes peer using multi-hop BGP to other providers routers who have PI prefixes. The ISP must announc the global and applicable geographic PI prefixes so that PI destined traffic is attracted to their AS. The ISP tries to keep a full table of PI prefixes so that they can MPLS TE/L2Tpv3/source route/ incoming traffic attracted by their non PI routers to their peer's handoff. This is the key. Using a mechanism OTHER than a full table on all routers who handle the packet transiting through the AS. If a full table is impossible, the ISP may choose to operate an array of the routers, each ibgp advertising one of the geo PI prefixes and holding only a full table for that prefix. Other filtering schemes are possible. Some ISP's may opt to host NO PI customers. Then they do not need such an expensive router and they do not need to announce any PI prefixes. Some ISP's may opt to NOT announce the PI prefixes. They will have to rely on their PI-Peers to attract the desired traffic and route it to their AS. Some ISP's may opt to purchase routers capable of a 12 million prefix RIB and they will not operate such a hierarchy at all, except that their peers will undoubtedtly include ISP's who do and will need mutli-hop bgp, and those that dont and will filter all those PI prefixes out. Perhaps one day multicast prefixes will need the same kind of hierarchy. Or some other class of prefixes. But obviously a global table is going to need severe limits in expansion. As for the problems of attracting unwanted traffic and handing packets back and forth between an AS's forwarding plane routers and routing plane routers, I am betting that if the problem of large table growth is so severe, the economics would favor using twice/thrice the bandwidth and fewer expensive routers than saving bandwidth and purchasing many large expensive routers. In other words, this is a solution that can be tested and driven by the marketplace. It needs no new technology standards. All that is neccessary is some policies for PI assignment. Customers who want it will spur its adoption. ISP's wishing to host those customers will spur its implementation. ISP's filtering their table to reduce size will ensure thatg hierarchy is needed. Last time proposed, I had about two directly related comments. Feel free to ignore me again this time. Joe

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