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single homed public-peer bandwidth ... pricing survey ?
by Jason Arnaute 07 Mar '07

07 Mar '07

Hello, I am currently hosted in a small, independent datacenter that has 4 or 5 public peers (L3, Sprint, UUnet, AT&T and ... ?) They are a very nice facility, very technical and professional, and have real people on-site 24 hours per day ... remote hands, etc. All very high end and well managed. But, I am charged between $150 and $180 per megabit/s for non-redundant, single-homed bandwidth (not sure which provider they put it on) and even if I commit to 20 or 30 megabits/s it still only drops down to $100 - $120 per megabit/s. So naturally, I am very interested when I see HE.NET offering bandwidth for $20/mb/s, and it looks like Level3 is selling for $30/mb/s... Are there two classes of bandwidth in the world ? Is it reasonable and expected that single homed public peered bandwidth is, circa Jan 2007, going for above $100/mb/s while private peered bandwidth like L3 and HE.NET is $30 and below ? Or am I just getting ripped off ? Where can I go to read and learn more about the advantages and disadvantages (from a networking standpoint) of switching from an independent, public peered datacenter to, say, L3 or HE.NET ? Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail

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RE: Where are static bogon filters appropriate? was: 96.2.0.0/16 Bogons
by michael.dillon＠bt.com 07 Mar '07

07 Mar '07

> Disabling their port and punting them to customer support is > NOT a cost > efficient way of dealing with the problems, at least not in > the market I > am in. It's like the car rental business. If you want to provide cars to people without a drivers license, then your customer support people will be busy whether or not you provide them with a competent driving service, i.e. a driver. In today's world ISPs provide Internet access services to people who are not competent to manage those services and it all ends in higher support costs somewhere along the way. But, if you would provide a MANAGED Internet access service where you install a gateway box that you can monitor and configure, now you are providing a real service to the customer. Since you can configure that box, you can identify potential bad traffic and throttle it rather than shutting down the entire gateway. Baddies will get no joy from hacking your customer and will go away. The vendors of little gateway boxes, generally DSL/Cable router/siwtch/modems, implement most of their functionality in software. If service providers demand a sensible box with firewall capabilities and remote monitoring/management by the service provider, then the vendors can quickly get a product to market. Yes, this is a higher end service because it is managed, but many have learned that specializing in high-touch services is a lucrative business. --Michael Dillon

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Re: single homed public-peer bandwidth ... pricing survey ?
by Jason Arnaute 06 Mar '07

06 Mar '07

--- Patrick Giagnocavo <patrick(a)zill.net> wrote: > Jason Arnaute wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am currently hosted in a small, independent > > datacenter that has 4 or 5 public peers (L3, > Sprint, > > UUnet, AT&T and ... ?) > > > > They are a very nice facility, very technical and > > professional, and have real people on-site 24 > hours > > per day ... remote hands, etc. All very high end > and > > well managed. > > > > But, I am charged between $150 and $180 per > megabit/s > > for non-redundant, single-homed bandwidth (not > sure > > which provider they put it on) and even if I > commit to > > 20 or 30 megabits/s it still only drops down to > $100 - > > $120 per megabit/s. > > > > > Are you sure that you are connected to only one > provider? You mean that > they are not doing BGP so that if one connection > goes down, another path > to the Internet is available? Yes, that's what I am saying - one pipe only, and if it goes down, I go down. So ... I am wondering if roughly $150/mb/s is just way off the charts for something like that, or if I am only overpaying by roughly 10-30% or so ... And then, of course, I'd like to be pointed to where I can learn why HE.NET and L3 are so cheap compared to that, and what my cost/benefit would be to switching... (as for racks and power, it is on the high average side. Roughly $1000/mo for a full cabinet) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

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96.2.0.0/16 Bogons
by Eric Ortega 04 Mar '07

04 Mar '07

> I am a network engineer for Midcontinent Communications We are an ISP in > the American Midwest. Recently, we were allocated a new network > assignment: 96.2.0.0/16. We've been having major issues with sites still > blocking this network. I normally wouldn't blanket post to the group, but > I'm looking to hit as many direct network engineers/operators as possible. > Would it be possible to have people do a quick check on their inbound > filters? > > > Thanks! > > > > Eric Ortega > Midcontinent Communications > Network Engineer > 605.357.5720 > eric.ortega(a)midco.net >

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RE: Comcast contact for the East Coast
by Andrew.Parris＠cox.com 03 Mar '07

03 Mar '07

> Could someone from Comcast please contact us > (netops(a)citrixonline.com) > > Customers behind Comcast on the east coast cannot get to our > 216.219.126.0 prefix in Santa Barbara, CA. Comcast's peering with Cox > on ashbbbrj02-ae0.0.r2.as.cox.net may be to blame. COX has created ticket HD0000015981407 for this issue. A show route shows us that traffic destined for target IP 216.219.126.0 is going from ASHBBBRJ02 to ASHBBBRJ01, and then directly to the Equinix Public Peering Switch in Ashburn, and then stopping. I will be contacting Equinix shortly to continue troubleshooting. -J. Andrew Parris NOC Engineer Data Network Operations Center Cox Communications (AS 22773) 1-888-326-9266, Opt. 1 <mailto:andrew.parris@cox.com> AIM: coxnocandpa

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Level(3) IP justifications contact?
by david raistrick 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

Folks, Anyone have a contact inside Level(3)'s IP Justification team? Telcove or Wiltel teams might apply here as well. I'm getting some serious kickback but not getting any details nor contact with anyone who will discuss anything. Anyone from ARIN who wants to discuss or review this with me would be welcome as well..;) thanks. ...david --- david raistrick http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html drais(a)atlasta.net http://www.expita.com/nomime.html

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RE: Where are static bogon filters appropriate? was: 96.2.0.0/16 Bogons
by Scott Weeks 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

--- michael.dillon(a)bt.com wrote:-------------------------- > I think this really goes to the heart of the matter - the inability/ > unwillingness to prioritize and allocate resources to properly > implement 'good neighbor' policies which are not perceived as having > any financial benefit to the organization. > > So, can this sort of activity somehow be monetized by the SPs, > remedied by the vendors, or is it a matter for the standards bodies > (or some combination thereof)? Standards bodies do technology, not policy. This is more of an issue for regulators or industry associations. To start with, it makes sense to me that public Internet providers would form some sort of trade association to develop and publish industry best practices. And to evaluate member compliance with those practices. This still doesn't fix the problem, but it provides an opening for legislators to step in and regulate the ISPs who are not members of the trade association. No matter how much some on this list may dislike regulation for the industry, it is inevitable because it is the only way to solve policy issues like bogon filtering. Either self-regulation through a trade association or government regulation through an FCC-like body. As far as monetizing the activity, it will probably take a lawsuit against one of the incompetent ISPs before network operations management recognizes why this stuff needs to be MANAGED and not left to the whims of engineers. ------------------------------------------------------------ The internet is a global network with participants in every country. Throughout human history wars have been fought over one country trying to regulate another's resources. I seriously doubt regulation will work in the internet arena for all the same reasons. Unless, that is, each country segments their own piece and regulates that piece. I doubt anyone wants to see the fracturing of the internet into country-sized pieces. scott

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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Analysis Role Account 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfs(a)cisco.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 03 Mar, 2007 Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 213872 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 114752 Deaggregation factor: 1.86 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 103985 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 24509 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 21327 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 10308 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 3182 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 79 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 3.6 Max AS path length visible: 32 Max AS path prepend of ASN (20858) 18 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 4 Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 6 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 12 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1689261068 Equivalent to 100 /8s, 176 /16s and 20 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 45.6 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 62.6 Percentage of available address space allocated: 72.8 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 110720 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 48655 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 19591 APNIC Deaggregation factor: 2.48 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 45739 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 20424 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 2885 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 786 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 427 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 3.6 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 16 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 291151232 Equivalent to 17 /8s, 90 /16s and 157 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 72.1 APNIC AS Blocks 4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 116/6, 120/6, 124/7, 126/8, 202/7 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 104281 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 61265 ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.70 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 76236 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 29615 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 11368 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 4354 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1054 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 3.4 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 21 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 319487360 Equivalent to 19 /8s, 10 /16s and 253 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 70.5 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863, 39936-40959 ARIN Address Blocks 24/8, 63/8, 64/5, 72/6, 76/8, 96/6, 199/8, 204/6, 208/7 and 216/8 RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 44188 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 28812 RIPE Deaggregation factor: 1.53 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 40870 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 27149 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 9228 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 4860 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1495 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 4.0 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 32 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 292912388 Equivalent to 17 /8s, 117 /16s and 125 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 79.4 RIPE AS Blocks 1877-1901, 2043, 2047, 2107-2136, 2585-2614 (pre-ERX allocations) 2773-2822, 2830-2879, 3154-3353, 5377-5631 6656-6911, 8192-9215, 12288-13311, 15360-16383 20480-21503, 24576-25599, 28672-29695 30720-31743, 33792-35839, 38912-39935 40960-43007 RIPE Address Blocks 62/8, 77/8, 78/7, 80/5, 88/6, 193/8, 194/7, 212/7 and 217/8 LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 14169 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 4116 LACNIC Deaggregation factor: 3.44 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 12239 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 7058 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 767 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 247 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 139 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.1 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 20 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 37947648 Equivalent to 2 /8s, 67 /16s and 9 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 56.5 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592-26623, 27648-28671, plus ERX transfers LACNIC Address Blocks 189/8, 190/8, 200/7 AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 2576 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 966 AfriNIC Deaggregation factor: 2.67 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 1891 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 1182 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 181 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 60 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 35 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 3.6 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 15 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 5486080 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 83 /16s and 182 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 16.3 AfriNIC AS Blocks 36864-37887 & ERX transfers AfriNIC Address Blocks 41/8, 196/8 APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 4134 1276 8718 277 CHINANET-BACKBONE 4755 1141 383 77 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 9583 1073 77 370 Sify Limited 9498 957 468 66 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 23577 776 35 705 Korea Telecom (ATM-MPLS) 4766 773 4943 311 Korea Telecom (KIX) 17488 612 40 28 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 7545 591 142 77 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 1221 578 1957 443 Telstra Pty Ltd 18101 529 103 22 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 17676 503 10935 65 Softbank BB Corp. 4668 454 68 10 LG-EDS Systems Inc. 9443 443 111 74 Primus Telecommunications 4812 442 785 72 China Telecom (Shanghai) 7474 379 216 259 SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 4802 360 86 149 Wantree Development 17557 351 34 171 Pakistan Telecom 4837 342 4392 153 chinanet IDC center beijing n 17974 337 129 14 PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 2907 336 1749 309 SINET Japan ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 7018 1498 6125 982 AT&T WorldNet Services 4323 1330 1005 353 Time Warner Telecom 6478 1124 432 184 AT&T Worldnet Services 2386 1112 570 738 AT&T Data Communications Serv 6197 1022 667 497 BellSouth Network Solutions, 18566 993 288 9 Covad Communications 11492 984 101 18 Cable One 174 941 6792 865 Cogent Communications 701 938 6696 746 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 1239 817 2714 572 Sprint 20115 802 706 422 Charter Communications 7011 795 227 474 Citizens Utilities 19262 756 2591 177 Verizon Global Networks 22773 731 1872 41 Cox Communications, Inc. 209 715 3746 570 Qwest 721 626 21787 274 DLA Systems Automation Center 852 593 1088 379 Telus Advanced Communications 5668 570 160 16 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 19916 568 49 54 OLM LLC 855 567 250 71 Canadian Research Network RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 702 539 1879 417 UUNET - Commercial IP service 24863 330 61 23 LINKdotNET AS number 3301 312 1200 291 TeliaNet Sweden 3320 299 4994 250 Deutsche Telekom AG 8220 272 469 263 COLT Telecommunications 6746 269 95 248 Dynamic Network Technologies, 680 257 2044 251 DFN-IP service G-WiN 5416 253 16 16 BATELCO-BH 8708 241 284 228 Romania Data Systems S.A. 3215 238 2224 91 France Telecom Transpac 1257 221 1111 170 SWIPnet Swedish IP Network 3269 217 2519 73 TELECOM ITALIA 3246 208 355 197 Song Networks 30890 204 17 96 SC Kappa Invexim SRL 8551 203 196 28 Bezeq International 20858 197 34 3 EgyNet 3352 193 1783 33 Ibernet, Internet Access Netw 3300 184 171 90 AUCS Communications Services 12479 179 578 6 Uni2 Autonomous System 786 174 1795 174 The JANET IP Service LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 8151 1049 2037 210 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 11830 478 297 66 Instituto Costarricense de El 11172 349 109 85 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 16814 329 20 8 NSS, S.A. 22047 307 206 11 VTR PUNTO NET S.A. 6471 254 74 30 ENTEL CHILE S.A. 7303 253 142 30 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 14117 239 16 13 Telefonica del Sur S.A. 11556 237 128 4 Cable-Wireless Panama 6147 230 182 20 Telefonica Del Peru 6503 201 171 82 AVANTEL, S.A. 10481 181 72 8 Prima S.A. 20299 173 25 24 NEWCOM AMERICAS 21826 161 29 57 INTERCABLE 23216 153 19 42 RAMtelecom Telecomunicaciones 7910 152 11 32 ANDINET ON LINE 19429 146 91 37 E.T.B. 18822 145 9 10 TELEFONICA MANQUEHUE 14522 142 22 9 SatNet S.A. 10620 136 42 15 TVCABLE BOGOTA AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 3741 290 868 232 The Internet Solution 8452 246 60 6 TEDATA 15475 159 84 4 Nile Online 6713 143 135 11 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 2018 138 309 113 Tertiary Education Network 5536 123 8 15 Internet Egypt Network 2905 121 178 94 The Internetworking Company o 33783 111 6 5 EEPAD TISP TELECOM & INTERNET 24835 86 48 6 RAYA Telecom - Egypt 2561 64 6 2 Egyptian Universities Network 15706 55 12 4 Sudatel Internet Exchange Aut 23889 49 16 13 MAURITIUS TELECOM 5713 44 294 34 Telkom SA Ltd 33774 42 12 22 AS Number for Telecom Algeria 16637 33 21 25 Johnnic e-Ventures 33766 33 2 1 Nyala Communications Pty Ltd 8524 30 2 6 AUCEGYPT Autonomous System 12455 27 6 3 Jambonet Autonomous system 21280 27 4 4 Swift Global Kenya Ltd.Is an 33776 27 2 5 Starcomms Nigeria Limited Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 4755 1141 1064 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 4134 1276 999 CHINANET-BACKBONE 18566 993 984 Covad Communications 4323 1330 977 Time Warner Telecom 11492 984 966 Cable One 6478 1124 940 AT&T Worldnet Services 9498 957 891 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 8151 1049 839 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 9583 1073 703 Sify Limited 22773 731 690 Cox Communications, Inc. 17488 612 584 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 19262 756 579 Verizon Global Networks 5668 570 554 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 6197 1022 525 BellSouth Network Solutions, 7545 591 514 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 19916 568 514 OLM LLC 18101 529 507 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 855 567 496 Canadian Research Network 15270 509 475 PaeTec.net -a division of Pae 4766 773 462 Korea Telecom (KIX) List of Unregistered Origin ASNs (Global) ----------------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 65535 PRIVATE 189.10.3.0/24 8167 TELESC - Telecomunic 24410 UNALLOCATED 203.119.28.0/24 4134 CHINANET-BACKBONE 24409 UNALLOCATED 203.119.29.0/24 9808 Guangdong Mobile Com 22895 UNALLOCATED 216.174.38.0/24 19094 Adelphia Business So Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 7.1.1.0/24 1239 Sprint 132.0.0.0/10 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 137.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 158.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 172.33.1.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services 180.190.0.0/16 24003 JUBILANT ORGANOSYS LTD., INDI 192.0.10.0/24 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 192.44.0.0/24 5501 Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.44.0.0/19 702 UUNET - Commercial IP service 192.70.164.0/24 25689 National Research Council of 192.153.136.0/21 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.172.0.0/19 721 DLA Systems Automation Center Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:20 /9:9 /10:12 /11:33 /12:118 /13:227 /14:428 /15:831 /16:9277 /17:3765 /18:6178 /19:13251 /20:14868 /21:13454 /22:17337 /23:18626 /24:113455 /25:727 /26:549 /27:437 /28:68 /29:42 /30:97 /31:26 /32:37 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 6478 1078 1124 AT&T Worldnet Services 18566 975 993 Covad Communications 11492 970 984 Cable One 9583 913 1073 Sify Limited 2386 836 1112 AT&T Data Communications Serv 7018 813 1498 AT&T WorldNet Services 6197 794 1022 BellSouth Network Solutions, 23577 762 776 Korea Telecom (ATM-MPLS) 7011 695 795 Citizens Utilities 9498 628 957 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 4766 581 773 Korea Telecom (KIX) 19916 563 568 OLM LLC 4755 546 1141 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 4323 529 1330 Time Warner Telecom 15270 477 509 PaeTec.net -a division of Pae 855 466 567 Canadian Research Network 18101 460 529 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 4668 445 454 LG-EDS Systems Inc. 5668 440 570 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 17488 434 612 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 4:9 7:1 8:65 9:1 12:1799 13:1 15:16 16:3 17:3 18:5 20:36 24:903 25:1 32:52 38:283 40:57 41:93 44:2 47:7 52:4 55:1 56:3 57:25 58:321 59:350 60:220 61:913 62:1035 63:1914 64:3141 65:2318 66:3138 67:735 68:653 69:1744 70:466 71:98 72:1225 73:1 74:188 75:81 76:8 77:67 80:828 81:783 82:660 83:362 84:503 85:737 86:443 87:487 88:248 89:819 90:4 91:221 97:1 116:1 117:1 118:1 119:1 120:1 121:136 122:349 123:60 124:716 125:807 128:307 129:218 130:124 131:348 132:49 133:10 134:188 135:37 136:181 137:92 138:194 139:52 140:499 141:142 142:371 143:212 144:271 145:43 146:320 147:147 148:378 149:186 150:114 151:117 152:94 153:118 154:5 155:248 156:155 157:174 158:169 159:150 160:99 161:89 162:230 163:174 164:451 165:383 166:245 167:280 168:513 169:119 170:387 171:15 172:1 189:208 190:437 192:5739 193:3726 194:3013 195:2193 196:957 198:3737 199:3279 200:4626 201:989 202:7220 203:7378 204:3951 205:2074 206:2386 207:2846 208:2489 209:3590 210:2387 211:926 212:1291 213:1412 214:409 215:39 216:4021 217:1161 218:350 219:270 220:858 221:375 222:264 End of report Report Website: http://thyme.apnic.net

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96.2.x.x Issues to websites
by John Lubeck 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

Sorry for the long list but we are still having issues to following sites. Looking for someone at American Express and Yahoo (*most complaints with those two sites). Also it appears a we are getting stopped on AT&T networks. Please contact me offline if you have any contacts that deal with the following sites: www.americanexpress.com tw.yahoo.com hk.yahoo.com procurement.pbnlink.com www.fedbizopps.gov avn.faa.gov naco.faa.gov www.usana.com www.usana2day.com www.campuscruiser.com www.mywitcc.com www.jobrelatedstuff.com www.mooseintl.org www.mage-page.com www.rent.com www.missingmoney.com www.sdsportstalk.com www.wretch.cc remote.shopko.com www.premierpyro.com www.precisionracecomponents.com www.eftps.com www.ameriprise.com www.keepitnice.com VCAST Online music store Thanks in advance for any help you provide. John Lubeck Midcontinent Communications Network Engineer 605-274-3092 jlubeck(a)midco.net

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RE: Where are static bogon filters appropriate? was: 96.2.0.0/16 Bogons
by michael.dillon＠bt.com 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

> Well Steve, it's like this: There are (a) security experts, > (b) "security > experts", and (c) guys that spend their day making things > usable in spite of > what the rest of the net throws in their AS's direction. > You're an example of > one, I'm an example of another, and the advocates of static > bogon filters are > an example of the third. Figuring out which is which is left > as an exercise > for the reader... This makes it sound like we are talking about some kind of network security issue. We aren't! The fundamental issue is OPERATIONS and has to do with policy and management of that policy. Bogon filters are an example of a policy implementation. It should be no surprise to anyone in operations that when technical people implement a policy which does not actually exist within the company, there is nobody to manage that policy implementation and it eventually becomes orphaned. One might argue that if a company is not capable of setting a policy and managing that policy, then you should not implement the policy at all. --Michael Dillon

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