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abandon cable & the price of copper
by bmanning＠vacation.karoshi.com 27 Sep '07

27 Sep '07

this might be a revenue stream ... --bill

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IPv6 Information Wiki
by michael.dillon＠bt.com 27 Sep '07

27 Sep '07

ARIN has set up a wiki at http://www.getipv6.info to publish information that will help ISPs, large and small in implementing IPv6 and migrating to an IPv6 Internet. I have collected info from some recent emails to the NANOG list, and other sources, and published it on the wiki. Since this is a wiki, anyone with something useful can contribute. In particular, it would be good for more eyes to review the wiki for technical correctness and for more people to participate in discussing IPv6 addressing plans at http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/IPv6_Addressing_Plans Thanks, --Michael Dillon

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Good Stuff [was] Re: shameful-cabling gallery of infamy - does anybody know where it went?
by Scott Weeks 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

vinny(a)tellurian.com wrote: Scott Weeks wrote: > --- streiner(a)cluebyfour.org wrote: ------------- > Note that telcos are not immune to shoddy cabling/installation work. > <snip> > http://www.cluebyfour.org/~streiner/mbr-pop-2000-ladder.JPG > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Do that at the telco in Hawaii and you won't be working here very long. ;-) The installation work and wiring here is something to swoon over. One of the stranger things a field tech of ours encountered wasn't necessarily bad wiring (although it's not great), but the fact that the demarc was located next to the toilet in the bathroom. Naturally, the constant humidity caused bad corrosion problems and other issues with their telco services. :) So as a general rule of thumb, avoid putting your telco and/or network gear next to the crapper or the services the equipment is meant to provide might also stink. http://users.tellurian.com/vabello/bathroom-demarc.jpg ------------------------------------------------------- It was brought to my attention that some of the folks here may not have ever seen good wiring, so I snapped a few photos of good wiring here and wrote a quickie web page for the photos. I couldn't get pictures of Ethernet wiring, but it's the same. Except the last photo, it's all wax string done very neatly. This is the goal. ;-) http://mauigateway.com/~surfer/wiring.html scott

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Re: Fw: WG Action: Conclusion of IP Version 6 (ipv6)
by Valdis.Kletnieks＠vt.edu 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:48:33 -0000, bmanning(a)vacation.karoshi.com said: > true enough. i guess this means that we get IPv6 "as is, where is" > and there will be limited new development of same. I can't conceive of any possible solution to IPv6 mobility, multihoming, routing, <insert deficiency here> which would find the mere fact that the WG is closed a problem, given that a decade of the WG being *open* didn't produce deployable results.

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Anyone from AOL/ATDN on list (network operational issue)
by Drew Weaver 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

Please shoot me a message. Thanks, -Drew

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Anyone here about comcast issues?
by Yamasaki, Charles 26 Sep '07

26 Sep '07

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RE: Route table growth and hardware limits...talk to the filter
by Church, Charles 25 Sep '07

25 Sep '07

I'm willing to bet that Cisco's sales team is pushing back a little on this enhancement. Given the choice between prolonging the usefulness of Sup2 for another year or two versus selling a massive amount of new Sup720-3BXLs, I'm betting they'll do the later. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Sam Stickland Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 10:55 AM To: Forrest Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: Route table growth and hardware limits...talk to the filter > There's a couple of feature requests open at Cisco that would do this. Rodney Dunn (at Cisco) pushed quite hard for these but couldn't get any traction. As he's previously pointed out it would have if people would vote for them (attach a case to). FORWARDED MESSAGE: Rodney Dunn wrote: Take your pick. :) CSCsa45474 Ability to block overlapping BGP prefixes from being installed in RIB or better: CSCsa46049 IOS RIB should not install overlapping routes with same next hop Rodney

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New TransPacific Cable Projects:
by Deepak Jain 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

This is what happens when I stay late at the office on a Friday. http://www.commsday.com/node/186 - Google participating in a new Transpacific Cable Project http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/121806-verizon-business.html - Verizon on a different transpacific project And all the same articles say there is already an overpriced glut of capacity along these routes and a glut of fiber laying ocean vessels. Good times. Rather than having competition, everyone is just building their own routes that they won't share at wholesale prices to folks in the wholesale buying business. :) Ahh... reminds me of the late 90s when everyone was building dark fiber networks for the surge of demand that was coming. Now, the remaining folks are buying up all the unused bits to constrain capacity. If I were a stakeholder in transpacific cables, I'd be leasing up the next 3-6 years of the entire global cable laying fleet. :) Deepak Jain AiNET

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RE: Going dual-stack, how do apps behave and what to do as an operator (Was: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?)
by michael.dillon＠bt.com 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

> >> - setup a 6to4 relay + route 192.88.99.1 + 2002::/16 > > > > How? > > This is reasonably well documented for a Cisco but here's a > minimal sample > config: Thanks. I used your info, and other sources, to put up a page at http://www.getipv6.info/index.php/First_Steps_for_ISPs which describes how to set up 6to4 relay on Cisco, where to get Teredo relay software that you can run, and where to get tunnel broker software. There are a couple of gaps. I can find no info on how to set up 6to4 relay services on Juniper routers. Does JUNOS support this at all? If you know, go to the above page, click on Juniper, and tell us what needs to be done. In addition, CSELT in Italy distributed an IPv6 tunnel broker package at one time. I cannot find this anywhere. If you know where this software can be acquired or if you know of better IPv6 tunnel broker software, add it to the above page. I now know why people are so quick to give advice on what to do without explaining how to do it. It just is not easy to find out how to setup 6to4 relay services, Teredo relay services and IPv6 tunnel broker services. No doubt you can hire a consultant to do this for you, but if we want to get significant deployment we cannot rely on consultants who keep their toolkits secret. --Michael Dillon

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Re: Apple Airport Extreme IPv6 problems?
by Barrett Lyon 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

On Sep 15, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Rich Groves wrote: > Are there any reliable stats on the number of 6in4 tunnel connects > after the Extreme was released ? I'm just wondering if this is > something that we as a community can easily track. > > Some DNS analysis at the provider I worked for in the past showed > the bulk of AAAA requests (to my surprise) were for Nintendo Wii > specific content (the weather app and news app) . When the > Nintendo folk decide to do something more interesting and latency > sensitive this could be a real problem I suppose. We removed AAAA on our production hosts shortly after we deployed it, our global v6 deployment goes production next week, at which time I may re-add the AAAA to limited production. If we do this, I publish a report of the stats once I have more accurate figures.

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