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Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?
by Joe Greco 08 Oct '07

08 Oct '07

> > Now, ISP economics pretty much require that some amount of overcommit > > will happen. However, if you have a 12GB quota, that works out to > > around 36 kilobits/sec average. Assuming the ISP is selling 10Mbps > > connections (and bearing in mind that ADSL2 can certainly go more than > > that), what that's saying is that the average user can use 1/278th of > > their connection. I would imagine that the overcommit rate is much > > higher than that. > > I don't think that things should be measured like this. Throughput != > bandwidth. No, but it gives some rational way to look at it, as long as we all realize what we're talking about. The other ways I've seen it discussed mostly involve a lot of handwaving. > Technically the user can use the connection to it's maximum theoretical > speed as much as they like, however, if an ISP has a quota set at > 12G/month, it just means that the cost is passed along to them when they > exceed it. And that seems like a bit of the handwaving. Where is it costing the ISP more when the user exceeds 12G/month? Think very carefully about that before you answer. If it was arranged that every customer of the ISP in question were to go to 100% utilization downloading 12G on the first of the month at 12:01AM, it seems clear to me that you could really screw up 95th. > > Note: I'm assuming the quota is monthly, as it seems to be for most > > AU ISP's I've looked at, for example: > > Yes most are monthly based on GB. > > > capacity is being stifled by ISP's that are stuck back > > in speeds (and policies) appropriate for the year 2000. > > Imagine a case (even in the largest of ISP's), where there are no > quotas, and everyone has a 10Mbps connection. I'm imagining it. I've already stated that it's a problem. > I don't think there is an ISP in existence that has the infrastructure > capacity to carry all of their clients using all of the connections > simultaneously at full speed for long extended periods. I'll go so far as to say that there's no real ISP in existence that could support it for any period. > As bandwidth and throughput increases, so does the strain on the > networks that are upstream from the client. Obviously. > Unless someone pays for the continuously growing data transfers, then > your 6Mbps ADSL connection is fantastic, until you transit across the > ISP's network who can't afford to upgrade the infrastructure because > clients think they are being ripped off for paying 'extra'. > > Now, at your $34/month for your resi ADSL connection, the clients call > the ISP and complain about slow speeds, but when you advise that they > have downloaded 90GB of movies last month and they must pay for it, they > wont. Everyone wants it cheaper and cheaper, but yet expect things to > work 100% of the time, and at 100% at maximum advertised capacity. My > favorites are the clients who call the helpdesk and state "I'm trying to > run a business here" (on their residential ADSL connection). 90GB/mo is still a relatively small amount of bandwidth. That works out to around a quarter of a megabit on average. This is nowhere near the "100%" situation you're discussing. And it's also a lot higher than the 12GB/mo quota under discussion. > > What are we missing out on because ISP's are more interested in keeping > > bandwidth use low? > > I don't think anyone wants to keep bandwidth use low, it's just in order > to continue to allow bandwidth consumption to grow, someone needs to pay > for it. How about the ISP? Surely their costs are going down. Certainly I know that our wholesale bandwidth costs have dropped orders of magnitude in the last ~decade or so. Equipment does occasionally need to be replaced. I've got a nice pair of Ascend GRF400's out in the garage that cost $65K- $80K each when originally purchased. They'd be lucky to pull any number of dollars these days. It's a planned expense. As for physical plant, I'd imagine that a large amount of that is also a planned expense, and is being paid down (or already paid off), so arguing that this is somewhere that a lot of extra expense will exist is probably silly too. > > What fantastic new technologies haven't been developed > > because they were deemed impractical given the state of the Internet? > > Backbone connections worth $34/month, and infrastructure gear that > upgrades itself at no cost. Hint: that money you're collecting from your customers isn't all profit. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.

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Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?
by Joe Greco 07 Oct '07

07 Oct '07

> >> No, its that they've run the numbers and found the users above 12G/month > >> are using a significant fraction of their network capacity for whatever > >> values of signficant and fraction you define. > > > > Of course, that's obvious. The point here is that if your business is so > > fragile that you can only deliver each broadband customer a dialup modem's > > worth of bandwidth, something's wrong with your business. > > If your business model states that you will not charge clients for > something when they have no problem paying for it in order to make the > service better for them, then there is something wrong with your > business model. > > Note that no one said "can't" deliver the service. You want unlimited > bandwidth, either pay for it, or go to one of the bigger guys who will > give it to you. Good luck when you want any sort of technical support... Actually, I wasn't talking about "unlimited" bandwidth. I was talking more about quotas that are so incredibly small as to be stifling to new offerings. There are USB pen drives that hold more than 12GB. I'm really expecting InterneTiVo to become a big thing at some point in the not-too-distant future, probably nearly as soon as there's some broadband deployment capable of dealing with the implications, and an Akamai-like system to deliver the content on-net where possible. However, it is equally possible that there'll be some newfangled killer app that comes along. At some point, this will present a problem. All the self-justification in the world will not matter when the customers want to be able to do something that uses up a little more bandwidth. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.

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router install in Troy, Michigan
by Dorn Hetzel 06 Oct '07

06 Oct '07

apologies if this is non-operational content. I have a customer site in the Troy, Michigan area where I need a small (Cisco 2610) router installed next week. If you live/work in the area and would like an hour or two of extra work, please email me back with your contact information. It's a customer site, so you would need to be presentable and professional, but it's a simple task (one T1, one ethernet, one power cord) and call me for testing. Regards, Dorn Hetzel

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Re: Why do some ISP's have bandwidth quotas?
by Joe Greco 06 Oct '07

06 Oct '07

> > Of course, that's obvious. The point here is that if your business is so > > fragile that you can only deliver each broadband customer a dialup modem's > > worth of bandwidth, something's wrong with your business. > > Granted 12G is a small allocation. But getting back to the original > question which was "Is there some kind of added cost running a non US > ISP?" > > Why yes, yes there is. Transit out of the country (or in a US context, > out of a state) is around 25 times more expensive. Than local peering costs? That seems fine. The real question is what transit bandwidth costs. We've got small ISP's around here paying $45- $60/Mbit. > Combine that with a > demand on offshore content of around 70-90% of your total network load > and you can see that those kind of changes to the cost structure make > you play the game differently. Add to that an expectation to be as well > connected as those in the continental US, and you can see that it's > about managing expectations. > > Comparative to Milwaukee, I'd be guessing delivering high performance > internet and making enough money to fund expansion and eat is harder at > a non US ISP. It's harder, but there's nothing wrong with it. It compels > you to get inventive. The costs to provide DSL up here in Milwaukee are kind of insane, as you tend to get it on both ends. However, I'm not aware of any ISP's setting up quotas. ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.

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Establish Peer Relationship with Comcast
by Darin Pesnell 05 Oct '07

05 Oct '07

Hello all, I was wondering if anyone on the list works for Comcast or could help me get in touch with them to discuss the requirements for establishing a peering relationship. So far our efforts to contact them have not resulted in talking to anyone except folks who can sell me a cable-modem circuit :). Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail me off-list at darin _at_ peznet.net Thanks, Darin

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Re: Access to the IPv4 net for IPv6-only systems, was: Re: WG Action: Conclusion of IP Version 6 (ipv6)
by Valdis.Kletnieks＠vt.edu 05 Oct '07

05 Oct '07

On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 18:56:48 +0200, Mohacsi Janos said: > controller can force enable/disable. I don't see how RIAA can lobby for > switching off privacy enhancement - disabling certain component of the > operating system?. Consider the fact that they lobbied *and got* 17 USC 512 takedowns, and the DMCA anti-circumvention clause. Still don't see how they could lobby for it?

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Weekly Routing Table Report
by Routing Analysis Role Account 05 Oct '07

05 Oct '07

This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to bgp-stats(a)lists.apnic.net For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net. If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <pfs(a)cisco.com>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 06 Oct, 2007 Report Website: http://thyme.apnic.net This report: http://thyme.apnic.net/ap-data/2007/10/06/0400 Analysis Summary ---------------- BGP routing table entries examined: 233905 Prefixes after maximum aggregation: 121328 Deaggregation factor: 1.93 Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 113794 Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 26383 Prefixes per ASN: 8.87 Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 22949 Origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 11201 Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 3434 Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 75 Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table: 3.6 Max AS path length visible: 20 Max AS path prepend of ASN (35389) 16 Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 27 Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 7 Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table: 7 Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table: 0 Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space: 12 Number of addresses announced to Internet: 1790219104 Equivalent to 106 /8s, 180 /16s and 147 /24s Percentage of available address space announced: 48.3 Percentage of allocated address space announced: 62.5 Percentage of available address space allocated: 77.3 Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 108143 APNIC Region Analysis Summary ----------------------------- Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes: 54790 Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 21053 APNIC Deaggregation factor: 2.60 Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks: 51718 Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks: 22910 APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 3070 APNIC Prefixes per ASN: 16.85 APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 819 APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 469 Average APNIC Region AS path length visible: 3.6 Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 15 Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet: 320986784 Equivalent to 19 /8s, 33 /16s and 222 /24s Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 79.5 APNIC AS Blocks 4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431 (pre-ERX allocations) 23552-24575, 37888-38911 APNIC Address Blocks 58/7, 60/7, 116/6, 120/6, 124/7, 126/8, 202/7 210/7, 218/7, 220/7 and 222/8 ARIN Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes: 110149 Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation: 63323 ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.74 Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks: 81274 Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 32169 ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 11869 ARIN Prefixes per ASN: 6.85 ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 4566 ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1103 Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 3.4 Max ARIN Region AS path length visible: 15 Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet: 346850432 Equivalent to 20 /8s, 172 /16s and 132 /24s Percentage of available ARIN address space announced: 76.6 ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106 (pre-ERX allocations) 2138-2584, 2615-2772, 2823-2829, 2880-3153 3354-4607, 4865-5119, 5632-6655, 6912-7466 7723-8191, 10240-12287, 13312-15359, 16384-17407 18432-20479, 21504-23551, 25600-26591, 26624-27647, 29696-30719, 31744-33791 35840-36863, 39936-40959 ARIN Address Blocks 24/8, 63/8, 64/5, 72/6, 76/8, 96/6, 199/8, 204/6, 208/7 and 216/8 RIPE Region Analysis Summary ---------------------------- Prefixes being announced by RIPE Region ASes: 49162 Total RIPE prefixes after maximum aggregation: 31394 RIPE Deaggregation factor: 1.57 Prefixes being announced from the RIPE address blocks: 45612 Unique aggregates announced from the RIPE address blocks: 30028 RIPE Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 10287 RIPE Prefixes per ASN: 4.43 RIPE Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 5465 RIPE Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 1637 Average RIPE Region AS path length visible: 3.9 Max RIPE Region AS path length visible: 20 Number of RIPE addresses announced to Internet: 330056064 Equivalent to 19 /8s, 172 /16s and 65 /24s Percentage of available RIPE address space announced: 75.7 RIPE AS Blocks 1877-1901, 2043, 2047, 2107-2136, 2585-2614 (pre-ERX allocations) 2773-2822, 2830-2879, 3154-3353, 5377-5631 6656-6911, 8192-9215, 12288-13311, 15360-16383 20480-21503, 24576-25599, 28672-29695 30720-31743, 33792-35839, 38912-39935 40960-45055 RIPE Address Blocks 62/8, 77/8, 78/7, 80/4, 193/8, 194/7, 212/7 and 217/8 LACNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------ Prefixes being announced by LACNIC Region ASes: 17077 Total LACNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 4512 LACNIC Deaggregation factor: 3.78 Prefixes being announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 15163 Unique aggregates announced from the LACNIC address blocks: 8438 LACNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 873 LACNIC Prefixes per ASN: 17.37 LACNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 282 LACNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 153 Average LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 4.0 Max LACNIC Region AS path length visible: 19 Number of LACNIC addresses announced to Internet: 43868928 Equivalent to 2 /8s, 157 /16s and 99 /24s Percentage of available LACNIC address space announced: 43.6 LACNIC AS Blocks 26592-26623, 27648-28671, plus ERX transfers LACNIC Address Blocks 186/7, 189/8, 190/8, 200/7 AfriNIC Region Analysis Summary ------------------------------- Prefixes being announced by AfriNIC Region ASes: 2692 Total AfriNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation: 1032 AfriNIC Deaggregation factor: 2.61 Prefixes being announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 2287 Unique aggregates announced from the AfriNIC address blocks: 1370 AfriNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 208 AfriNIC Prefixes per ASN: 11.00 AfriNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix: 69 AfriNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 36 Average AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 3.8 Max AfriNIC Region AS path length visible: 14 Number of AfriNIC addresses announced to Internet: 7530752 Equivalent to 0 /8s, 114 /16s and 233 /24s Percentage of available AfriNIC address space announced: 22.4 AfriNIC AS Blocks 36864-37887 & ERX transfers AfriNIC Address Blocks 41/8, 196/8 APNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ---------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 4755 1429 383 67 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 9583 1121 81 418 Sify Limited 4134 1097 11500 298 CHINANET-BACKBONE 9498 997 533 67 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 17488 824 53 65 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 4766 809 5441 321 Korea Telecom (KIX) 23577 795 34 688 Korea Telecom (ATM-MPLS) 7545 734 159 120 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 18101 603 119 50 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 4802 576 132 147 Wantree Development 4812 548 974 94 China Telecom (Shanghai) 1221 534 1950 415 Telstra Pty Ltd 9829 530 1312 9 BSNL National Internet Backbo 4668 517 68 10 LG-EDS Systems Inc. 17676 502 10903 63 Softbank BB Corp. 4808 493 792 119 CNCGROUP IP network: China169 9443 465 122 76 Primus Telecommunications 7474 381 218 268 SingTel Optus Pty Ltd 17974 363 130 13 PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 4837 358 5136 169 chinanet IDC center beijing n ARIN Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 7018 1477 6162 991 AT&T WorldNet Services 4323 1406 1007 365 Time Warner Telecom 2386 1228 636 739 AT&T Data Communications Serv 11492 1154 113 13 Cable One 6478 1124 329 143 AT&T Worldnet Services 6197 1031 718 508 BellSouth Network Solutions, 18566 1028 288 9 Covad Communications 174 968 6779 844 Cogent Communications 7011 944 287 559 Citizens Utilities 701 875 6574 682 UUNET Technologies, Inc. 20115 833 762 445 Charter Communications 1239 801 2720 561 Sprint 22773 791 2133 54 Cox Communications, Inc. 19262 785 2829 186 Verizon Global Networks 209 739 3818 584 Qwest 3356 682 10820 372 Level 3 Communications, LLC 5668 656 176 23 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 6517 587 165 36 Yipes Communications, Inc. 852 581 1093 358 Telus Advanced Communications 15270 581 161 39 PaeTec.net -a division of Pae RIPE Region per AS prefix count summary --------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 702 475 1920 387 UUNET - Commercial IP service 24863 371 58 37 LINKdotNET AS number 9116 343 168 27 Goldenlines main autonomous s 3301 317 1457 294 TeliaNet Sweden 3320 314 6035 261 Deutsche Telekom AG 8551 295 283 41 Bezeq International 6746 292 131 268 Dynamic Network Technologies, 680 269 2045 257 DFN-IP service G-WiN 8708 264 421 242 Romania Data Systems S.A. 8866 263 62 22 Bulgarian Telecommunication C 3215 262 2480 100 France Telecom Transpac 8220 254 444 237 COLT Telecommunications 3352 231 1898 40 Ibernet, Internet Access Netw 3269 223 2839 73 TELECOM ITALIA 9121 214 1442 25 TTnet Autonomous System 3300 197 172 96 AUCS Communications Services 3292 195 1380 177 TDC Tele Danmark 1257 194 1195 171 SWIPnet Swedish IP Network 12479 194 578 6 Uni2 Autonomous System 3246 188 251 178 Song Networks LACNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ----------------------------------------- ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 8151 1053 2208 214 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 11830 514 299 9 Instituto Costarricense de El 16814 426 26 9 NSS, S.A. 11172 378 114 60 Servicios Alestra S.A de C.V 7303 349 168 46 Telecom Argentina Stet-France 14522 345 29 8 SatNet S.A. 6471 342 75 35 ENTEL CHILE S.A. 22047 317 246 13 VTR PUNTO NET S.A. 14117 283 19 15 Telefonica del Sur S.A. 10481 261 104 9 Prima S.A. 10620 249 69 27 TVCABLE BOGOTA 11556 237 128 4 Cable-Wireless Panama 6147 229 178 24 Telefonica Del Peru 23216 207 16 44 RAMtelecom Telecomunicaciones 6503 201 170 82 AVANTEL, S.A. 8163 178 11 7 METROTEL REDES S.A. 19169 178 12 19 Telconet 20299 178 25 29 NEWCOM AMERICAS 21826 178 31 49 INTERCABLE 28573 176 280 20 NET Servicos de Comunicao S.A AfriNIC Region per AS prefix count summary ------------------------------------------ ASN No of nets /20 equiv MaxAgg Description 3741 278 869 225 The Internet Solution 8452 215 188 7 TEDATA 6713 144 135 11 Itissalat Al-MAGHRIB 2018 140 299 115 Tertiary Education Network 33783 125 8 12 EEPAD TISP TELECOM & INTERNET 5536 124 8 10 Internet Egypt Network 33776 100 6 3 Starcomms Nigeria Limited 24835 88 48 6 RAYA Telecom - Egypt 15475 79 84 4 Nile Online 2905 75 174 72 The Internetworking Company o 23889 73 24 15 MAURITIUS TELECOM 15706 55 12 4 Sudatel Internet Exchange Aut 33774 47 29 25 AS Number for Telecom Algeria 5713 46 294 36 Telkom SA Ltd 16637 42 21 29 Johnnic e-Ventures 12455 36 6 3 Jambonet Autonomous system 8524 32 2 10 AUCEGYPT Autonomous System 10798 27 16 1 Standard Bank of South Africa 29975 26 10 9 Vodacom 21280 25 4 4 Swift Global Kenya Ltd.Is an Global Per AS Maximum Aggr summary ---------------------------------- ASN No of nets Net Savings Description 4755 1429 1362 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 11492 1154 1141 Cable One 4323 1406 1041 Time Warner Telecom 18566 1028 1019 Covad Communications 6478 1124 981 AT&T Worldnet Services 9498 997 930 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 8151 1053 839 UniNet S.A. de C.V. 4134 1097 799 CHINANET-BACKBONE 17488 824 759 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 22773 791 737 Cox Communications, Inc. 9583 1121 703 Sify Limited 5668 656 633 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 7545 734 614 TPG Internet Pty Ltd 19262 785 599 Verizon Global Networks 18101 603 553 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet 6517 587 551 Yipes Communications, Inc. 15270 581 542 PaeTec.net -a division of Pae 6197 1031 523 BellSouth Network Solutions, 9829 530 521 BSNL National Internet Backbo 19916 568 517 OLM LLC List of Unregistered Origin ASNs (Global) ----------------------------------------- Bad AS Designation Network Transit AS Description 64250 RESERVED 59.144.44.0/24 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 65010 PRIVATE 83.174.240.0/20 28812 BashInformSvyaz Auto 64250 RESERVED 122.167.64.0/19 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.96.0/20 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.112.0/21 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.176.0/21 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.188.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.192.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.196.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.200.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.204.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.208.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.212.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.216.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.220.0/22 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.240.0/23 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.242.0/23 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.244.0/23 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.167.246.0/23 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.171.0.0/24 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64250 RESERVED 122.171.1.0/24 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET L 64631 PRIVATE 199.242.73.0/24 22472 Florida Supreme Cour 64631 PRIVATE 199.242.74.0/24 22472 Florida Supreme Cour 64631 PRIVATE 199.242.96.0/24 22472 Florida Supreme Cour 64631 PRIVATE 199.242.109.0/24 8103 Florida Department o 64631 PRIVATE 199.242.111.0/24 22472 Florida Supreme Cour 65000 PRIVATE 216.136.11.0/24 27182 Peregrine Capital Ma Advertised Unallocated Addresses -------------------------------- Network Origin AS Description 101.13.13.0/24 8764 LIETUVOS-TELEKOMAS Autonomous 132.0.0.0/10 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 137.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 158.0.0.0/13 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 172.11.12.0/24 1803 SPRINT 172.33.1.0/24 7018 AT&T WorldNet Services 192.0.10.0/24 9498 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 192.44.0.0/24 5501 Fraunhofer Gesellschaft 192.44.0.0/19 702 UUNET - Commercial IP service 192.70.164.0/24 25689 National Research Council of 192.153.136.0/21 721 DLA Systems Automation Center 192.172.0.0/19 721 DLA Systems Automation Center Number of prefixes announced per prefix length (Global) ------------------------------------------------------- /1:0 /2:0 /3:0 /4:0 /5:0 /6:0 /7:0 /8:19 /9:9 /10:16 /11:37 /12:136 /13:265 /14:476 /15:936 /16:9644 /17:4097 /18:6679 /19:14243 /20:16507 /21:15249 /22:19670 /23:20445 /24:123017 /25:772 /26:1039 /27:544 /28:92 /29:5 /30:0 /31:0 /32:8 Advertised prefixes smaller than registry allocations ----------------------------------------------------- ASN No of nets Total ann. Description 11492 1146 1154 Cable One 6478 1123 1124 AT&T Worldnet Services 18566 1010 1028 Covad Communications 9583 963 1121 Sify Limited 2386 916 1228 AT&T Data Communications Serv 7011 832 944 Citizens Utilities 7018 813 1477 AT&T WorldNet Services 4755 800 1429 Videsh Sanchar Nigam Ltd. Aut 23577 786 795 Korea Telecom (ATM-MPLS) 6197 775 1031 BellSouth Network Solutions, 9498 684 997 BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 17488 643 824 Hathway IP Over Cable Interne 4766 607 809 Korea Telecom (KIX) 4323 600 1406 Time Warner Telecom 19916 563 568 OLM LLC 15270 544 581 PaeTec.net -a division of Pae 6517 542 587 Yipes Communications, Inc. 5668 518 656 CenturyTel Internet Holdings, 4668 507 517 LG-EDS Systems Inc. 18101 503 603 Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Number of /24s announced per /8 block (Global) ---------------------------------------------- 4:8 8:90 12:1786 13:1 15:20 16:3 17:3 18:13 20:36 24:977 25:1 32:60 33:3 38:350 40:61 41:325 44:2 47:4 52:4 55:3 56:3 57:23 58:476 59:409 60:376 61:994 62:976 63:1988 64:3249 65:2365 66:3541 67:825 68:677 69:1979 70:457 71:107 72:1408 73:5 74:694 75:260 76:138 77:394 78:211 80:838 81:800 82:572 83:364 84:620 85:857 86:346 87:579 88:287 89:1005 90:37 91:589 97:6 98:3 101:1 116:376 117:191 118:22 121:311 122:614 123:190 124:685 125:1010 128:272 129:201 130:138 131:365 132:54 133:9 134:195 135:34 136:188 137:83 138:156 139:74 140:514 141:174 142:370 143:256 144:310 145:46 146:335 147:125 148:424 149:185 150:111 151:156 152:89 153:121 154:11 155:258 156:161 157:221 158:160 159:197 160:136 161:98 162:173 163:182 164:487 165:395 166:289 167:303 168:497 169:124 170:398 171:22 172:3 189:73 190:1110 192:5720 193:3963 194:3205 195:2470 196:959 198:3824 199:3232 200:5230 201:1228 202:7374 203:7888 204:3951 205:2027 206:2424 207:2806 208:2877 209:3482 210:2450 211:1087 212:1309 213:1491 214:418 215:45 216:4074 217:1208 218:320 219:382 220:1005 221:414 222:263 End of report

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Re: Access to the IPv4 net for IPv6-only systems, was: Re: WG Action: Conclusion of IP Version 6 (ipv6)
by Valdis.Kletnieks＠vt.edu 05 Oct '07

05 Oct '07

On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:42:05 +0200, Mohacsi Janos said: > Except if you are using privacy enhanced ipv6 addresses a la RFC 3041 Which is more likely: 1) The RIAA successfully lobbies for a network that basically prohibits rfc3041. 2) The consumers successfully lobby for a network that permits/requires rfc3041. (My point was that at least in the US, the "consumer is king" mantra has been a crock for several years - witness the incredible range and speeds of our broadband choices, the whole "net neutrality" thing. If forced into a choice between what the RIAA wants and what consumers want, I think we know what most last-mile providers are going to do.....)

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Re: Yahoo! Mail/Sys Admin
by Chris Turan 05 Oct '07

05 Oct '07

Justin Wilson wrote: > We've been having trouble sending to *(a)yahoo.com Getting the infamous > 421 Message from (x.x.x.x) temporarily deferred - 4.16.50. > Please refer to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/defer/defer-06.html. I've actually had quite a bit of success with Yahoo. They're slow in replying so you have to know what to ask for. Ask them to add you to their white-list. Once the techs respond, they'll send you a long questionnaire about your mail servers, management practices, and company policies. Fill it out and mail it back to them. You'll be put on a two week monitoring period where they'll monitor e-mails coming from your servers. At the end of the two weeks, they'll approve you if you are legit. Just grin and bear it. Include all relevant information in *every* e-mail you send them. You'll most likely talk to someone new every time. If you're patient and craft well-worded e-mails, you should be on their white-list in about three or four weeks. I did exactly this and so far the yahoo mail servers haven't been too troublesome. They slow down the connections sometimes, but it usually goes through after an hour or two. -Chris

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BGP Update Report
by cidr-report＠potaroo.net 05 Oct '07

05 Oct '07

BGP Update Report Interval: 03-Sep-07 -to- 04-Oct-07 (32 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS2.0 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS4538 1096426 2.3% 562.3 -- ERX-CERNET-BKB China Education and Research Network Center 2 - AS9583 750271 1.6% 642.9 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 3 - AS4323 524181 1.1% 365.5 -- TWTC - Time Warner Telecom, Inc. 4 - AS22773 433482 0.9% 541.2 -- CCINET-2 - Cox Communications Inc. 5 - AS209 387283 0.8% 499.7 -- ASN-QWEST - Qwest 6 - AS6197 373079 0.8% 359.1 -- BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc 7 - AS18101 360478 0.8% 580.5 -- RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd Internet Data Centre, 8 - AS9498 358963 0.8% 351.2 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 9 - AS852 350830 0.8% 582.8 -- ASN852 - Telus Advanced Communications 10 - AS6198 350193 0.8% 604.8 -- BATI-MIA - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc 11 - AS4134 294691 0.6% 263.4 -- CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 12 - AS4808 292683 0.6% 584.2 -- CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP network China169 Beijing Province Network 13 - AS5668 266040 0.6% 401.3 -- AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc. 14 - AS19916 232245 0.5% 408.9 -- ASTRUM-0001 - OLM LLC 15 - AS11351 196972 0.4% 572.6 -- RR-NYSREGION-ASN-01 - Road Runner HoldCo LLC 16 - AS11139 189871 0.4% 475.9 -- CWRIN CW BARBADOS 17 - AS9929 189446 0.4% 513.4 -- CNCNET-CN China Netcom Corp. 18 - AS2907 184250 0.4% 563.5 -- ERX-SINET-AS National Center for Science Information Systems 19 - AS9800 174856 0.4% 596.8 -- UNICOM CHINA UNICOM 20 - AS6167 174700 0.4% 483.9 -- CELLCO-PART - Cellco Partnership TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS43403 84895 0.2% 42447.5 -- SVIAZ-PLUS-AS LLC "Sviaz Plus" 2 - AS10275 35475 0.1% 17737.5 -- AS-UNITEDNETWORK - ABS-CBN International 3 - AS26829 12825 0.0% 12825.0 -- YKK-USA - YKK USA,INC 4 - AS17540 6357 0.0% 6357.0 -- MTL-AP Modern Terminals Limited 5 - AS36011 11966 0.0% 5983.0 -- AHSYS-ASN - Atlantic Health System 6 - AS9264 17311 0.0% 5770.3 -- ASNET Academic Sinica 7 - AS34382 4924 0.0% 4924.0 -- ASSYRUS-SRL-AS Assyrus Srl Maintainer 8 - AS30707 13164 0.0% 4388.0 -- 9 - AS42611 3542 0.0% 3542.0 -- HOSTUA-AS hosing.com.ua AS 10 - AS32650 3341 0.0% 3341.0 -- SANDHILLS-SW - SANDHILLS PUBLISHING 11 - AS24697 6559 0.0% 3279.5 -- SATURN-ASN Saturn ISP AS 12 - AS30619 59479 0.1% 2973.9 -- TDM-AS 13 - AS34770 18380 0.0% 2625.7 -- ELITSAT-AS Elit SAT AD - Rousse 14 - AS28733 7877 0.0% 2625.7 -- AVIGAL-AS IT master LLC 15 - AS20007 2333 0.0% 2333.0 -- AS-ALOGI - ALOGIENT INC. 16 - AS16312 2293 0.0% 2293.0 -- ASN-ZWEITWERK # AS-ZWEITWERK CONVERTED TO ASN-ZWEITWERK FOR RPSL COMPLIANCE Zweitwerk GmbH & Co KG 17 - AS39396 13242 0.0% 2207.0 -- NBIS-AS NBI Systems Ltd. 18 - AS31949 1781 0.0% 1781.0 -- APEXDIGITAL - Apex Digital 19 - AS34368 62409 0.1% 1733.6 -- THEZONE "Zonata - Natzkovi & Sie" LTD. 20 - AS27093 1701 0.0% 1701.0 -- DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 202.56.250.0/24 57020 0.1% AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 2 - 203.101.87.0/24 56665 0.1% AS9498 -- BBIL-AP BHARTI BT INTERNET LTD. 3 - 210.18.10.0/24 49954 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 4 - 221.135.22.0/24 48206 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 5 - 193.46.60.0/24 47798 0.1% AS43403 -- SVIAZ-PLUS-AS LLC "Sviaz Plus" 6 - 221.135.113.0/24 46570 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 7 - 209.163.125.0/24 38034 0.1% AS14390 -- CORENET - Coretel America, Inc. 8 - 91.194.244.0/24 37097 0.1% AS43403 -- SVIAZ-PLUS-AS LLC "Sviaz Plus" 9 - 210.214.173.0/24 36431 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 10 - 210.214.177.0/24 36426 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 11 - 210.214.221.0/24 36306 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 12 - 210.214.210.0/24 36223 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 13 - 210.214.220.0/24 36200 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 14 - 210.214.211.0/24 36115 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 15 - 210.214.172.0/24 35869 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 16 - 221.135.77.0/24 33338 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited 17 - 80.243.64.0/20 30740 0.1% AS21332 -- NTC-AS New Telephone Company 18 - 192.96.14.0/24 25031 0.1% AS16637 -- MTNNS-AS 19 - 192.96.13.0/24 25028 0.1% AS16637 -- MTNNS-AS 20 - 210.214.179.0/24 23023 0.1% AS9583 -- SIFY-AS-IN Sify Limited Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog(a)merit.edu eof-list(a)ripe.net apops(a)apops.net routing-wg(a)ripe.net afnog(a)afnog.org

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