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Network trend and right planning
by 정치영 03 Jun '08

03 Jun '08

Hi all, I'm going to make a medium term (4~5 years) plan of our IP core/backbone network. Currently our backbone network is providing MPLS L3 VPN service and internet access service. Most of our platform is based on c7500 or 6509 (sup3 base). it is the right time we have to change our platform and service structure. Nowadays, most of people (network admin & vendor) say that current trend is data and voice convergence or Ethernet based MPLS backbone, qos for multimedia service. but I wonder those things would really provide our customers more value and give us more profit. and then It doesn't seem to be in demands yet. every customers don't want to pay more for qos and they don't care which technique is applied on their circuit. I would like to make more realistic plan from the viewpoint of customer needs. Could anyone advice me where I can get useful reference about that ? best regards Chiyoung ============================================= Chi-Young Joung SAMSUNG NETWORKS Inc. Email: lionair(a)samsung.com Tel +82 70 7015 0623, Mobile +82 17 520 9193 Fax +82 70 7016 0031 =============================================

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Large number of DNS probes in last 24 hours
by Jim Wise 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've seen a surprising number of attempted recursive DNS requests against unpublished non-recursive DNS servers in the last 24 hours or so, many of them obviously probes of some sort (query for "." IN NS, eg). Is anyone else seeing this? Is it new? Or did some botnet just reach this corner of the IP space? - -- Jim Wise jwise(a)draga.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (NetBSD) iD8DBQFIQDPbq/KRbT0KwbwRAuzVAJ0QRpMw59U7U2qfpEdHOeIt+YVzxgCeLQK4 0HeEYDsVW4VI6ahbjE8xphQ= =QV9h -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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IPV6 network feeds
by Mike Linsenmayer 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

Hey all, I am looking for a IPV6 internet feed for our testing labs in Southern California, I know this is off subject but I am a little exasperated in trying to locate one. if anyone on the list knows of a provider please contact me off list. Thanks! Mike Linsenmayer Sr. Manager Labs Engineering QALABS Symantec Corporation www.symantec.com <http://www.symantec.com> ___________________________ Office: 424.750.7560 Cell: 805.404.1813 YIM: mike_linsenmayer ___________________________ ___________________________

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Re:Re: NANOG NYC Event
by Eye Am 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

Read http://www.forgotten-ny.com/ before setting any agendas and if you have some time to spare, there is some awesome history to find. I lived there for nearly 20 years and it's endless the amazing things you can find just a short distance from anywhere. One of my stops is *always* the Dakotah and Strawbberry Fields followed by a walk through Central Park. Up on the Northwest side is the lake/castle that's a must see too. Right at 72nd and Columbus (close to the Dakotah) is the greatest pizzeria in NY. C. Genrich ----- Original Message ----- From: <nanog-request(a)nanog.org> To: <nanog(a)nanog.org> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: NANOG Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 > Send NANOG mailing list submissions to > nanog(a)nanog.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nanog-request(a)nanog.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nanog-owner(a)nanog.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NANOG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NANOG NYC Event (Brant I. Stevens) > 2. Re: NANOG NYC Event (J. Oquendo) > 3. Re: NANOG NYC Event (John Levine) > 4. Re: NANOG NYC Event (Fisher, Shawn) > 5. Re: NANOG NYC Event (Henry Yen) > 6. Comcast - Stuck route in Chicago directing MN traffic via > Denver (Eric Spaeth) > 7. Emerg data recovery recommdnations? (david raistrick) > 8. Re: IOS Rookit: the sky isn't falling (yet) (Christian) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 11:39:43 -0400 > From: "Brant I. Stevens" <branto(a)branto.com> > Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event > To: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com>, <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Message-ID: <C4683AFF.14D1C1%branto(a)branto.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > > > On 5/31/08 11:58 PM, "John Levine" <johnl(a)iecc.com> wrote: > >> In article <43661d390805312028u130046ddlc804e4615c83ba62(a)mail.gmail.com> >> you >> write: >>> I second the motion to recognize Dinosaur BBQ. All those in favor? >> >> Dinosaur is swell, but it's in Syracuse. >> >> Perhaps you could pick one that's reachable by subway instead. > > Dinosaur Barbecue > www.dinosaurbarbque.com > > 646 W 131st St > New York, NY 10027 > > It's in Harlem. BOOOOOOO!!!!! > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 10:54:40 -0500 > From: "J. Oquendo" <sil(a)infiltrated.net> > Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Message-ID: <20080601155440.GA47184(a)infiltrated.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Sun, 01 Jun 2008, Brant I. Stevens wrote: > >> >> It's in Harlem. BOOOOOOO!!!!! >> > > So is Columbia University! > > Harlem is in the process of going through a > renaissance and has been over the past 10 or > more so things have changed for the better. > Just avoid going there after certain hours ;) > > As for the prior Brooklyn comment, Park Slope > also has some great eats but the area/scene > tends to be sort of artsy. If you want to spend > some time sightseeing Brooklyn, the Brooklyn > Public Library (main one) Grand Army Plaza is > near the Brooklyn Botanic Gardens. Don't forget > Coney Island which has also changed in the last > decade. Again, watch those hours, NY is a Jeckyll > and Hyde city. Nice sometimes, beautiful to visit > but can be insanely ugly. > > The downtown Brooklyn area has some nice eats > but I've always preferred the city. In the area > of downtown Brooklyn, you'll typically find a > bunch of people in local government and lawyers > eating as the courts are downtown. > > For those looking for sweets, don't forget the > ever famous (overhyped) Junior's Cheesecake. > If you've travelled to Coney Island then one > cannot forget Nathan's. There are some really > good pubs in the Red Hook section, but alas > again, going through certain neighborhoods is > not for everyone. You can jump on a Water Taxi > there for kicks though. Makes for nice pictures > at night. > > Sightseeing: Jump on a boat at night (booze > cruise) $25.00 > http://www.nywatertaxi.com/tours/happyhour/ > > Or just hop on an "On and Off" cruise: > http://www.nywatertaxi.com/hop/ > > $20.00 > > -- > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ > J. Oquendo > SGFA #579 (FW+VPN v4.1) SGFE #574 (FW+VPN v4.1) > CEH/CNDA, CHFI > > "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best > forms (of government) those entrusted with power > have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted > it into tyranny." Thomas Jefferson > > wget -qO - www.infiltrated.net/sig|perl > > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x3AC173DB > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: 1 Jun 2008 16:09:56 -0000 > From: John Levine <johnl(a)iecc.com> > Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Message-ID: <20080601160956.22514.qmail(a)simone.iecc.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >>Dinosaur is swell, but it's in Syracuse. >> >>Perhaps you could pick one that's reachable by subway instead. > > Oh, all right, as about 47 people have pointed out, they have a branch > on 131st St. The barbeque is not bad. I eat it at the NY State Fair > every year. > > On the other hand, I would think that in NYC, home of the most > wonderful food on the continent,* you could do better than a branch of > a yuppie ex biker joint from Syracuse. How about RUB at 23rd and 7th? > Or Johnny Utah's at 51st and 5th? Or Oklahoma Smoke up at 145st St? > > R's, > John > > * - with the possible exception of Montreal, an argument that can only > be resolved by extensive research in both places > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 12:57:31 -0400 > From: "Fisher, Shawn" <SFisher(a)Bresnan.com> > Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event > To: <sil(a)infiltrated.net>, <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Message-ID: > <21352038E7719F43A6D65B2D90B5256CCBFA34(a)fossil.bresnan.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > (Drifting further off topic). Another suggestion to add is the DUMBO area > of brooklyn, down under mahattanville overpass, easy to reach from > manhattan, take a nice stroll across the brooklyn bridge and your there, > lots of cool restaurants. Another bit of history, walk to montague > street, yes the montague street mr dylan sings about in tangled up in > blue. (some controversy over this) best way to walk is on the promenade > along the east river, great views of manhattan. Enjoy > -------------------------- > Sent using BlackBerry > > > -----Original Message----- > From: J. Oquendo > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Sent: Sun Jun 01 11:54:40 2008 > Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event > > On Sun, 01 Jun 2008, Brant I. Stevens wrote: > >> >> It's in Harlem. BOOOOOOO!!!!! >> > > So is Columbia University! > > Harlem is in the process of going through a > renaissance and has been over the past 10 or > more so things have changed for the better. > Just avoid going there after certain hours ;) > > As for the prior Brooklyn comment, Park Slope > also has some great eats but the area/scene > tends to be sort of artsy. If you want to spend > some time sightseeing Brooklyn, the Brooklyn > Public Library (main one) Grand Army Plaza is > near the Brooklyn Botanic Gardens. Don't forget > Coney Island which has also changed in the last > decade. Again, watch those hours, NY is a Jeckyll > and Hyde city. Nice sometimes, beautiful to visit > but can be insanely ugly. > > The downtown Brooklyn area has some nice eats > but I've always preferred the city. In the area > of downtown Brooklyn, you'll typically find a > bunch of people in local government and lawyers > eating as the courts are downtown. > > For those looking for sweets, don't forget the > ever famous (overhyped) Junior's Cheesecake. > If you've travelled to Coney Island then one > cannot forget Nathan's. There are some really > good pubs in the Red Hook section, but alas > again, going through certain neighborhoods is > not for everyone. You can jump on a Water Taxi > there for kicks though. Makes for nice pictures > at night. > > Sightseeing: Jump on a boat at night (booze > cruise) $25.00 > http://www.nywatertaxi.com/tours/happyhour/ > > Or just hop on an "On and Off" cruise: > http://www.nywatertaxi.com/hop/ > > $20.00 > > -- > =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ > J. Oquendo > SGFA #579 (FW+VPN v4.1) SGFE #574 (FW+VPN v4.1) > CEH/CNDA, CHFI > > "Experience hath shewn, that even under the best > forms (of government) those entrusted with power > have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted > it into tyranny." Thomas Jefferson > > wget -qO - www.infiltrated.net/sig|perl > > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x3AC173DB > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 17:27:10 -0400 > From: Henry Yen <henry(a)AegisInfoSys.com> > Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event > To: nanog(a)nanog.org >Message-ID: <20080601172710.R2829(a)AegisInfoSys.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:54:40AM -0500, J. Oquendo wrote: >> As for the prior Brooklyn comment, Park Slope >> also has some great eats but the area/scene >> tends to be sort of artsy. >> >> The downtown Brooklyn area has some nice eats >> but I've always preferred the city. In the area >> of downtown Brooklyn, you'll typically find a >> bunch of people in local government and lawyers >> eating as the courts are downtown. >> >> For those looking for sweets, don't forget the >> ever famous (overhyped) Junior's Cheesecake. > > Disclaimer: I've worked in the immediate area of this conference on > and off for over 30 years. (In fact, I'm staring longingly down at > the Marriott Hotel from the office window right now...) > > First, you simply must take a walk across the Brooklyn Bridge to > Manhattan (and back). Exhilarating views, an unforgettable > experience, and you'd be participating in one of the more common > things that "all" NYC people do. Just walk out the "front" door of > the hotel and turn right. (Watch out for crazy bicyclists!) > > Second, Junior's Cheesecake, overhyped as it is, is still arguably > among the best "domestic" cheesecakes, at least on the east coast. > You really ought to try it. But, don't stop there -- the > brisket/corned-beef/pastrami on twin rolls is highly recommended. > (My personal favorite is their down-home matzoh-ball soup.) > > Third, the Brooklyn Heights area is admittedly "artsy", but there's > lots of interesting and tasty variety. I've had great food at > several Italian seafood-style places (although if that's your > preference, I'd encourage you to go to Vincent's in Little Italy > (lower Manhattan)). > > Finally, I didn't see a destination that seems like it might be very > useful: Radio Shack (go out the "back" door of the hotel, turn right, > half a block to Willoughby, turn right, and it's right across the street > from the White Castle (which is its own "destination")). > > P.S. If you're into bicycling, the Hudson River Park bikeway (runs about > 10 miles along the western Manhattan shoreline) is a paved, fantasitc, > ride. I don't know if the bike rental season has started yet, though. > > -- > Henry Yen <henry(a)AegisInfoSys.com> Aegis Information Systems, > Inc. > Senior Systems Programmer Hicksville, New York > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:57:06 -0500 > From: Eric Spaeth <eric(a)spaethco.com> > Subject: Comcast - Stuck route in Chicago directing MN traffic via > Denver > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Message-ID: <48437DA2.9060100(a)spaethco.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > For the last couple weeks there has been a route stuck in the Chicago > wan/core that is directing some Minnesota-bound traffic through Denver, > even though Chicago and the Roseville, MN aggregation remain up and > directly connected. This has the dual benefit of unnecessarily > increasing the load on Comcast's internal backbone as well as increasing > latency for Minnesota subscribers connecting to "east of the > Mississippi" destinations by ~20ms. > > I'm hoping Comcast engineers read this list, or someone in the carrier > community can help poke one of their Comcast contacts to help get this > resolved. > > Thanks in advance! > > "Wedged" route - 76.113.128.0/17 > Correct route - 69.180.128.0/18 > > Example trace from Chicago source to 76.113.128.0/17: > ========================================= > traceroute to 76.113.128.1 (76.113.128.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 69.65.40.62 (69.65.40.62) 0.542 ms 0.511 ms 0.508 ms > 2 so2-0-0-0.er1.Chi1.Servernap.net (69.39.239.169) 1.632 ms 1.642 > ms 2.121 ms > 3 ge-6-20.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.79.65.49) 1.605 ms 1.608 ms > 1.619 ms > 4 ae-2-54.edge1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.68.101.115) 1.604 ms 1.602 > ms 1.600 ms > 5 COMCAST-IP.edge1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.71.248.26) 2.735 ms 2.741 > ms 2.739 ms > 6 pos-0-8-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.114) 27.284 > ms 27.398 ms 27.387 ms > 7 te-9-4-ar02.roseville.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.86.91.154) 44.177 ms * * > 8 te-0-2-0-5-ar03.roseville.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.73) 28.352 > ms 28.352 ms 28.349 ms > 9 te-2-1-ur01.sims.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.74) 28.826 ms * * > 10 te-8-3-ur02.sims.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.78) 28.959 ms * * > 11 te-2-1-ur01.newport.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.82) 29.267 ms * > te-2-1-ur01.newport.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.82) 28.700 ms > 12 c-76-113-128-1.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (76.113.128.1) 28.638 ms 28.673 > ms 28.667 ms > ========================================= > > Example trace from Chicago source to working route 69.180.128.0/18 > ========================================= > traceroute to 69.180.130.1 (69.180.130.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets > 1 69.65.40.62 (69.65.40.62) 0.482 ms 0.450 ms 0.446 ms > 2 so2-0-0-0.er1.Chi1.Servernap.net (69.39.239.169) 1.595 ms 2.082 > ms 2.082 ms > 3 ge-6-20.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.79.65.49) 1.568 ms 1.569 ms > 1.579 ms > 4 ae-2-52.edge1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.68.101.51) 1.562 ms 1.563 ms > 1.560 ms > 5 COMCAST-IP.edge1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.71.248.22) 2.708 ms 2.713 > ms 2.711 ms > 6 te-0-1-0-7-ar03.roseville.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.21) 13.144 > ms 11.919 ms 11.877 ms > 7 68.87.174.22 (68.87.174.22) 11.824 ms * * > 8 te-8-3-ur02.brooklynpark.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.26) 12.333 > ms * * > 9 te-2-1-ur01.newhope.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.30) 12.012 ms * * > 10 c-3-0-ubr02.newhope.mn.minn.comcast.net (69.180.130.1) 11.963 ms > 12.018 ms 11.973 ms > ========================================= > > -Eric > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 09:04:24 +0000 (UTC) > From: david raistrick <drais(a)icantclick.org> > Subject: Emerg data recovery recommdnations? > To: nanog(a)nanog.org > Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.0.999.0806020902510.16617(a)murf.icantclick.org> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii > > > guys, > > wrong place, I know, but network down is network down no matter which side > of the cable it falls on... > > Can anyone give any solid recommendations for a data recovery service who > can fly to our site to extract data from a f'ed up RAID array? > > It's an absolute emergency (for us, of course). > > offlist please. > > .d > > > > --- > david raistrick http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > drais(a)icantclick.org http://www.expita.com/nomime.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:47:56 -0400 > From: Christian <christian(a)visr.org> > Subject: Re: IOS Rookit: the sky isn't falling (yet) > To: "Fred Reimer" <freimer(a)ctiusa.com> > Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org > Message-ID: > <9b62cf2f0806020447r10fc3ed0i6be793d6db694fb(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > here's the slides if anyone hasn't seen > > http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2008/May/att-0668/EuSecWest_presentation… > > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Fred Reimer <freimer(a)ctiusa.com> wrote: > >> New keys, to be stored on the crypto chip, would presumably be delivered >> in >> a separately signed package using a master key that would not change >> (embedded within the chip). Maybe Cisco even doesn't have this key, and >> would need to send a revocation or new public key to be stored on the >> chip >> to the chip manufacturer, who would sign it with the master private key >> and >> which then could be delivered in a software update to the system. There >> are >> many possibilities, and no crypto scheme is foolproof. That much has >> been >> proven. But no, you would not make the on-chip EEPROM of the crypto chip >> "flashable" in the normal meaning of the word. You would send the chip a >> pointer to a buffer that contains a signed update key, and the chip >> itself >> would verify that signature and only then program the updated key(s). >> >> My intention was not to turn nanog into a crypto forum. I'd be much more >> interested in any unique methods that people use to harden their systems >> that have not already been widely distributed through vendor or industry >> best practices. >> >> Fred Reimer, CISSP, CCNP, CQS-VPN, CQS-ISS >> Senior Network Engineer >> Coleman Technologies, Inc. >> 954-298-1697 >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Jim Wise [mailto:jwise@draga.com] >> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:10 AM >> > To: Fred Reimer >> > Cc: Jared Mauch; nanog(a)nanog.org >> > Subject: RE: IOS Rookit: the sky isn't falling (yet) >> > >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > On Thu, 29 May 2008, Fred Reimer wrote: >> > >> > >The code would presumably be run upon boot from a non-flashable >> > source, >> > >which would run the boot ROM code through a check on the crypto chip >> > and >> > >only execute it if it passed. You would not put the code that checks >> > the >> > >boot ROM on the boot ROM. The new crypto chip would presumably have >> > the >> > >initial boot code, which would only be designed to check the boot ROM >> > >signature and nothing else so presumably would never need to be >> > replaced and >> > >hence would be designed to be non-flashable. >> > >> > Doesn't this just push the chicken-and-egg problem up the chain one >> > step? >> > The ROMMON would be flashable (among other reasons) because the key >> > used to >> > sign IOS releases should change over the years -- gaining length as >> > cycles >> > get cheaper, being replaced periodically to prevent use of the same key >> > for >> > too long, and perhaps being revoked if it should ever be compromised. >> > >> > If the ROMMON is itself to be verified by a prior, non-flashable ROM, >> > then >> > all the same arguments would call for making its key-list updatable -- >> > and >> > given the time-in-service seen by many such devices, any weakness in >> > that >> > key list would be around for quite some time. >> > >> > - -- >> > Jim Wise >> > jwise(a)draga.com >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (NetBSD) >> > >> > iD8DBQFIPsdRq/KRbT0KwbwRAkcmAJ4xOBtANHOc+C/fzL+7PvgWnjp76ACfSGUw >> > 43+1Pq3xWS4MagWzdetZ0ws= >> > =62gJ >> > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > NANOG(a)nanog.org > http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog > > > End of NANOG Digest, Vol 5, Issue 2 > *********************************** >

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Re: NANOG NYC Event
by Fisher, Shawn 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

Personally I like dinosaur bbq, great malt beverages as well, and also blue smoke is great and if you like jazz, check out downstairs. -------------------------- Sent using BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: andrew young To: Scott Brim CC: nanog(a)nanog.org Sent: Sat May 31 18:28:57 2008 Subject: Re: NANOG NYC Event Speaking of food, ill be going to the Big Apple BBQ fest next weekend: http://bigapplebbq.org/2008/ If you love to eat BBQ, this is a big MUST to cap off your stay in NYC. if you do decided to go, be sure to get the Fastpass: http://www.bigapplebbq.org/2008/index.php?s=fastpass You dont want to wait 30 mins online for food. Don't forget a bib and leave your belt at home. :-) - ------------------------------------ Andrew Young Webair Internet Development, Inc Phone: 1 866 WEBAIR 1 FAX: 516.938.5100 http://www.webair.com andrewy(a)webair.com ------------------------------------- We are interested in any feedback you might have about the service you received. Please contact our technical support consumer care manager directly at 1.866.WEBAIR1 or e-mail customercare(a)webair.com ------------------------------------- On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 18:17 -0400, Scott Brim wrote: > On 5/31/08 12:36 PM, Rod Beck allegedly wrote: > > I strongly suggest that those heading to New York visit the great > > musems, architecture (Saint Patrick's Cathedral), and restaurants. > > You have the American Museum of Natural History, which includes an > > excellent Planetarium and just on the other side of Central Park, the > > Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Guggenheim. There are excellent > > Chinese and Indian restaurants in Lower Manhattan. > > Don't forget about Brooklyn in all this Manhattan praise :-). Consider > the Brooklyn Botanic Garden. It's too late for cherries but the rose > collections will be great. And the best pizza in New York (if you can > get in) is at > http://menupages.com/restaurantdetails.asp?areaid=0&restaurantid=31402&neig… >

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Types of packet modifications allowed for networks
by Jean-François Mezei 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

I would like any pointers to good documents that outline what sort of packet modifications are allowed (in terms of Internet culture/policies) by networks. Notably: For a transit network (neither sending or destination IPs belong to the network) For the sending network (originating IP belongs to that network) For the destination network (destination IP belongs to that network). Obviously, every router will change/decrement the TTL (and recalculate the header checksum) in the IP header. Are there other fields that are routinely changed at every hop ? Would it also be correct to state that any network along the way would have the right to fragment a packet in two or more pieces ? Or would that only be the destination network needing to fragment a packet to fit the last mile (PPP dialup or PPPoE ) in cases where MTU negotiations failed ? Are there sacred rules documented anywhere about not modifying anything else in the packets during transit ? Or has there never been any formal documentation on this because it was so obvious nobody was allowed to modify packets in transit ? (I an in Canada and currently participating in CRTC proceedings about the Bell throttling issue, and would like to consider the angle where the CRTC might decides Bell has the right to manage PPPoE packets as if they were TCPIP packets (by looking inside). Thanks in advance for any hints/pointers on this issue.

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Comcast - Stuck route in Chicago directing MN traffic via Denver
by Eric Spaeth 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

For the last couple weeks there has been a route stuck in the Chicago wan/core that is directing some Minnesota-bound traffic through Denver, even though Chicago and the Roseville, MN aggregation remain up and directly connected. This has the dual benefit of unnecessarily increasing the load on Comcast's internal backbone as well as increasing latency for Minnesota subscribers connecting to "east of the Mississippi" destinations by ~20ms. I'm hoping Comcast engineers read this list, or someone in the carrier community can help poke one of their Comcast contacts to help get this resolved. Thanks in advance! "Wedged" route - 76.113.128.0/17 Correct route - 69.180.128.0/18 Example trace from Chicago source to 76.113.128.0/17: ========================================= traceroute to 76.113.128.1 (76.113.128.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 69.65.40.62 (69.65.40.62) 0.542 ms 0.511 ms 0.508 ms 2 so2-0-0-0.er1.Chi1.Servernap.net (69.39.239.169) 1.632 ms 1.642 ms 2.121 ms 3 ge-6-20.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.79.65.49) 1.605 ms 1.608 ms 1.619 ms 4 ae-2-54.edge1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.68.101.115) 1.604 ms 1.602 ms 1.600 ms 5 COMCAST-IP.edge1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.71.248.26) 2.735 ms 2.741 ms 2.739 ms 6 pos-0-8-0-0-cr01.denver.co.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.114) 27.284 ms 27.398 ms 27.387 ms 7 te-9-4-ar02.roseville.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.86.91.154) 44.177 ms * * 8 te-0-2-0-5-ar03.roseville.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.73) 28.352 ms 28.352 ms 28.349 ms 9 te-2-1-ur01.sims.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.74) 28.826 ms * * 10 te-8-3-ur02.sims.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.78) 28.959 ms * * 11 te-2-1-ur01.newport.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.82) 29.267 ms * te-2-1-ur01.newport.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.82) 28.700 ms 12 c-76-113-128-1.hsd1.mn.comcast.net (76.113.128.1) 28.638 ms 28.673 ms 28.667 ms ========================================= Example trace from Chicago source to working route 69.180.128.0/18 ========================================= traceroute to 69.180.130.1 (69.180.130.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 69.65.40.62 (69.65.40.62) 0.482 ms 0.450 ms 0.446 ms 2 so2-0-0-0.er1.Chi1.Servernap.net (69.39.239.169) 1.595 ms 2.082 ms 2.082 ms 3 ge-6-20.car1.Chicago1.Level3.net (4.79.65.49) 1.568 ms 1.569 ms 1.579 ms 4 ae-2-52.edge1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.68.101.51) 1.562 ms 1.563 ms 1.560 ms 5 COMCAST-IP.edge1.Chicago2.Level3.net (4.71.248.22) 2.708 ms 2.713 ms 2.711 ms 6 te-0-1-0-7-ar03.roseville.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.21) 13.144 ms 11.919 ms 11.877 ms 7 68.87.174.22 (68.87.174.22) 11.824 ms * * 8 te-8-3-ur02.brooklynpark.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.26) 12.333 ms * * 9 te-2-1-ur01.newhope.mn.minn.comcast.net (68.87.174.30) 12.012 ms * * 10 c-3-0-ubr02.newhope.mn.minn.comcast.net (69.180.130.1) 11.963 ms 12.018 ms 11.973 ms ========================================= -Eric

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NANOG 42 Lightning Talk submission reminder...
by Joel Jaeggli 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

Greetings, Lightning talk submission remains open until Tuesday June 3rd. Submissions can be made on the NANOG PC website by logging in as or creating a speaker account: http://www.nanogpc.org A lightning talk is a very short presentation or speech by any attendee on any topic relevant to the NANOG audience. These are limited to ten minutes; this will be strictly enforced. If you have a topic that's timely, interesting, or even a crackpot idea you want to share, we encourage you to consider presenting it. The Program Committee will decide which submissions are relevant (using criteria based on the NANOG mailing list AUP) and choose the best ones to be presented. Use of slides is optional. All slides must be in PDF or Powerpoint format, and will be loaded in advance onto the speaker laptop on the podium. Thanks Joel

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Update: NANOG 43 PGP signing party.
by Joel Jaeggli 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The keysigning sessions are going to be during the morning breaks during the general session, and will be located in the Gleason/Roebling rooms. Monday June 2nd 11:00-11:30 Tuesday June 3rd 11:00-11:30 If you plan to participate there is still time up until tomorrow to add your key to the keyring at: http://biglumber.com/x/web?ev=19916 And come to one or both sessions with some form of government issued photo ID. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me via email or corner one of the people with the pgp signing dots since they mostly know the score. While printouts will probably be available at the sessions, feel free to add your key to the keyring right up to the time of the last keysigning event. thanks joel _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list NANOG(a)nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIQ+FV8AA1q7Z/VrIRAuN6AJ4hlfoRX/B2lFC5xlLV+nX1jOnuhgCdE8Me vmxenQEVkrzrcT6waUiN3zk= =Oaxb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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IOS Rookit: the sky isn't falling (yet)
by Nicolas FISCHBACH 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

I finally got to see Topo's presentation this week-end at PH-Neutral and discuss it with him and FX. Given that the slides aren't online yet [1], that Core hasn't published Topo's technical paper on their website [2] yet either, and that I'm done replying to direct inquiries about it [3], here's a summary of the IOS rootkit saga and its impact on the Service Provider community (from my point of view :) Topo spent a lot of time (and if you ever loaded an IOS image in IDA you know what I'm talking about) analyzing strings and functions in IOS. In his proof of concept he located the code doing the password check and adds a trampoline to his backdoor code (by saving paramaters, glueing the two codes together, doing the "new" password check and returning properly to the main code path). Nice lesson on 101 hooking on IOS. The (oversimplified) modus operandi is pretty straight forward: take an image, decompress it, have his tool locate the function and later patch it, add his code by overwriting large strings, (re)compress the image and (re)calculate/fix the checksums. Pretty neat. The fact that he doesn't do basic binary patching makes the approach portable and not architecture, version or feature set specific. This image then needs to be uploaded to the router and the device need to be reloaded. This backdoor is persistent (vs the old backdoor trick using the TCL shell [4] which wasn't - or if you want to turn it into a non-volatile one it was easy to detect as in clear text in the startup/running configuration). An alternative approach is to use gdb on the router (and combine it with a TCL script to make it easier) and patch on the fly. This is non-persistent, but some people don't wan't to leave traces as large as an IOS image behind :) Or another alternative approach: network boot the router via TFTP. At the end of the day this is nothing new from a rootkit technology point of view, but it's in the IOS/router world. He deserves credit to actually have researched this in deep and managed to make it work (it's much more difficult to achieve this on a mostly undocumented and large binary than on common OSes). Respect. What's the best way to actually test this when you don't have the HW you ask ? Dynamips [9] is the answer. As long as the rootkit isn't too advanced and e.g. also hooks the write/copy functions (e.g. an attacker could store the image diff on the system and play a "proper" memory dump or proper IOS back when you write core/copy to TFTP) then FX's CIR[7] is the forensics tool of choice. On platforms where the IOS image is stored on an external flash card forensics may be easier. Here's [8] a "screenshot" of CIR vs Topo. So what's the impact today ? Topo's proof of concept doesn't bypass ACLs (rACLs, VTY ACLs), AAA, etc [yet], requires enable rights, a new image and a reload (or enable only if you do gdb-on-the-fly patching). In summary it's "noisy" and unless you bought the router on an auction site and/or download IOS from "alternative" sources) you should notice (or probably deserve to get owned :) See the Cisco PSIRT response for best current practices on securing routers [10] and my old forensics presentation [3]. In the past FX [5] and Mike Lynn [6] proved that code execution is doable. This is a different approach. Can it be combined ? Probably. It is much more complex ? Yes. Is it going to be architecture specific ? Probably. Future developments ? I'm surprised people still focus on the IOS side of things and don't attack the bootrom code as it's smaller and usually never changed unless you bring in some new/unsupported hardware/features. IOS-XR is probably going to become a target too as it makes some of these things easier [11] but code signing may have to be broken/bypassed first. This has been done on other devices, so it's just one more layer to attack. An alternative rootkit ? Privilege level 16 used by the Lawful Intercept [12] feature could be abused to do some of this too. Or the other way around: use a "patched" IOS to keep an eye on Law Enforcement's operations on the router as privilege level 15 doesn't allow it and the only alternative is to sniff the traffic export. I've probably missed some stuff (and got some stuff wrong), but this summary became way too long already and it's late. Feedback welcome! [1] Dragos should post them soon here: http://www.eusecwest.com/ [2] Watch http://www.coresecurity.com/?module=ContentMod&action=news&id=papers [3] Google "IOS rootkit" used to return the presentation below as first hit "Cisco Router Forensics" - http://www.securite.org/presentations/secip/ [4] http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2007/Nov/0384.html [5] http://www.phenoelit-us.org/ultimaratio/index.html http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/77 [6] http://cryptome.org/lynn-cisco.pdf [7] http://cir.recurity.com/ [8] http://www.securite.org/nico/XP/CIRvsTopo.jpg [9] http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator [10] http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/products_security_response09186a0080997… [11] http://lists.darklab.org/pipermail/darklab/2005-August/000029.html [12] http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/ios/12_0s/feature/guide/lawf_int.html Nico. -- Nicolas FISCHBACH Senior Manager - Network Engineering/Security - COLT Telecom e:(nico@securite.org) w:<http://www.securite.org/nico/>

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