April 2025 - NANOG - lists.nanog.org

outages list badly broken, flooding messages
by Glenn McGurrin 05 May '25

05 May '25

I've already received 76 copies of "Re: [Outages-discussion] Lists dead - after action report?" and continue receiving them every few minutes, apologies, 77 copies now, this is clearly badly broken, I do understand this is a volunteer run list, but normally I do want to receive notifications as it's generally important if it's on this list, but currently I'm looking at having to block the list as it's sending my notifications nuts. Also as an aside, I'd hesitated offering this before, not feeling like I was known enough or had enough standing in the community for it to be accepted and used, but if help is needed figuring out the issues, or if it would help the community to have a backup list, running mailman or potentially for added diversity running a different mailing list software, it's been a bit but I've used sympa before as well as mailman to run lists, I'm happy to host a secondary backup list(s) to offer some extra redundancy to the community (or if people really wanted to have someone take over the main I'm willing to, but I'm not asking for that or expecting anyone wants that), I know some mention has been made in a thread somewhere about adding redundancy to the list but nothing about the form of that redundancy. FWIW up to 96 copies now as I write this, it's been going on for about an hour and a half at this point, I held of sending anything initially hoping it would be jumped on and at least the sending shut down even if that meant taking any remaining online part of the list down for now until there was time to fix it, as I get it, it's Sunday, people have plans, etc, at this point all I'd ask to be expedited is shutting it down until such time as people have time to fix it, not for people to abandon plans on a Sunday to root cause this and fully fix it.

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twitch contact?
by Bryan Holloway 03 May '25

03 May '25

If anyone from Twitch is lurking, could you please reach out to me off-list to resolve a long-standing peering issue? Thank you!

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[NANOG] OAM and multiple choice questions
by David Zimmerman 01 May '25

01 May '25

Hi, all. A few months ago, I got really good guidance here to pursue OAM instead of trying to use BFD in unnatural ways. I've been reaching out to my vendors and through various searches, since the OAM space is wholly foreign to me, and I'm currently on four different paths: * IEEE 802.1ag<https://www.ieee802.org/1/pages/802.1ag.html> now part of IEEE 802.1Q-2022 CFM * IEEE 802.3ah<https://www.ieee802.org/21/doctree/2006_Meeting_Docs/2006-11_meeting_docs/8…> Ethernet OAM (aka Link OAM) * ITU-T Y.1731<https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-Y.1731> OAM functions and mechanisms for Ethernet based networks * MEF 17<https://www.mef.net/resources/mef-17-service-oam-framework-and-requirements/> Service OAM Framework and Requirements One of my vendors pointed out to me that recent search guidance is probably a bit hard to find because this is mostly service provider space (not the enterprise space I live in), and they generally have solved for this in the past and moved on. So I feel like these are four hills I'm simultaneously trying to climb instead of knowing one or two better ones and focusing on those. I'm curious for the folks here that have in fact solved for OAM on your networks — particularly in an MX480/MX304 Junos environment (I also have a bunch of Cat 8K/9K IOS-XE and some NCS5500 IOS-XR, but let's focus on Junos) — which standard you went with. If you can also speak to why you chose that path, that would help a lot. Extra bonus points if you have some configuration that you can share (privately if you wish) that helps my decision process for craft/complexity. -dp

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rpki whois
by Randy Bush 30 Apr '25

30 Apr '25

so packetviz occasionally tells me that a roa has been created or deleted for prefix 2001:470:3f7::/48 pointing to one of our ASs, 4128. that ip space has published roas for all sorts of ASs over time. i figure it is one of those strange research folk doing some sort of rpki experiment. and i have no problem with them pointing to our AS. near as i can tell, that is hurricane space. but how the heck do i figure out who it is at a more granular level of that /48? even if i picked apart the rpki asn.1 (puke) i would not get an email addy. randy

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Google 2FA - probably limited to Google Workspace (GSuites)
by Josh Luthman 26 Apr '25

26 Apr '25

We've been having issues with 2FA (or Google's 2SV) doing calls or texts since at least 3PM Eastern today. The chat support has said it's been an issue for hours at that point. No updates in the tickets. No useful information. Of course no ETA (understandable - it's not often we know when it'll be fixed until it is fixed). What is very frustrating is the lack of an outage announcement - https://www.google.com/appsstatus/dashboard/ The error is a not useful "Something went wrong. Try again." Can anyone at Google provide any sort of information? At least post an outage where it belongs? Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373

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ONOS, ONF, Aether, SEBA/VOLTHA - No more moves?
by Douglas Fischer 25 Apr '25

25 Apr '25

There is a high probability that I did not find what I was looking for because I did not look hard enough. If this is the case, I ask for guidance and apologize. I have been looking for new developments in the aforementioned projects (ONOS, ONF, Aether, SEBA/VOLTHA), and I could not find anything more recent than early 2024. If you look at the repositories on Github, the times are even longer. At https://github.com/Telecominfraproject/ you can see some developments, but they are very focused on WLAN. I could not find anything recent focused on fixed broadband internet. I remember a project that focused on unifying the operational methods of fixed and mobile internet provisioning. But I probably spent too much time without following these projects and lost track of them. Could any colleague share some news or suggestions for study material? -- Douglas Fernando Fischer Engº de Controle e Automação

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Apply Now for an ARIN Community Grant
by John Sweeting 25 Apr '25

25 Apr '25

Hi NANOG'ers, ARIN has announced the opening of applying for an ARIN Grant. See below announcement. ________________________________ Do you have a project that needs funding, is noncommercial in nature, and benefits the Internet community within the ARIN service region? Apply now for a 2025 ARIN Community Grant. 2025 Grant Application: https://www.arin.net/applyforgrants The ARIN Community Grant Program provides financial grants in support of operational and research projects that improve the overall Internet industry and user environment, advancing ARIN’s mission and broadly benefiting the ARIN community within our region. Projects must fit into one or more of these four broad categories: - Internet technical improvements that promote and facilitate the expansion, development, and growth of the infrastructure of the Internet consistent with the public interest - Registry processes and technology improvements that help maintain a globally consistent and highly usable Internet number registry system - Informational outreach that advances the Internet on topics such as, but not limited to, IPv6 deployment, Internet research, and Internet governance - Research related to ARIN’s mission and operations For 2025, the ARIN Board of Trustees has approved a total expenditure of up to US$50,000 for grants of varying amounts, from $1,000 to $20,000, based on project need. We invite you to learn more about ARIN’s Community Grant Program and to find the link to the application form at: https://www.arin.net/grants. The call for applications is open now through 18 June 2025. Applicants should clearly demonstrate how their projects meet eligibility guidelines and selection criteria in the application form to improve chances of selection. ARIN looks forward to funding important projects through the ARIN Community Grant Program in 2025. Regards, American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

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Join us for NANOG 94 in Denver
by De' Harvey 24 Apr '25

24 Apr '25

Hello NANOG Friends, I want to personally let you know that our next conference is right around the corner! We’ll be gathering in Denver June 9-11 at the Sheraton Denver Downtown and we really hope to see you there. We are putting together a great event focused on connection, learning, and collaboration and Denver is the place for all of it. A few quick notes to keep in mind as you make your plans: - Save $100 by registering before May 11. After that, prices go up. - If you need a hotel room, be sure to do it early. Our room block closes May 15. - Can’t make it in person? No worries, virtual registration will open May 12 so you can still be part of the experience online. - We will share the full agenda on May 19, stay tuned! Here’s the registration link: https://www.nanog.org/events/nanog-94/registration/ In person Registration Start Date End Date Member NonMember Student Standard Mar 24 May 11 $925 $950 $100 Late May 12 June 7 $1025 $1050 $100 Onsite June 8 June 11 $1,225 $1,250 $100 Whether in person or online, I can't wait for you to join us. Warmly, De’ Director of Meetings, NANOG

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NANOG Members: We Want to Hear from YOU! + More!
by Nanog News 24 Apr '25

24 Apr '25

*** NANOG Members: We Want to Hear from YOU!* ------------------------------------------------------------ *Please Take Our Emailed Survey* The NANOG Elections Committee sent members an email with a survey link on Monday, asking for feedback regarding voter turnout. Please check your inbox or peek in that SPAM folder in case it was caught by a filter. *** Reminder! Call for Presentations Deadline Approaching* ------------------------------------------------------------ *Submit Your Talk Proposal by Monday, Apr. 28* Got something to share? You still have time to present at NANOG. Connect directly with your peers and contribute to the conversations driving our industry forward. *LEARN MORE * </>(https://nanog.org/program/call-presentations/) *** Register Now for N94 and Save on Fees!* ------------------------------------------------------------ *Join Us for NANOG 94 in Denver (June 9-11)* Only two weeks remain to take advantage of the current registration rate — register today and save $100. *REGISTER NOW* (https://nanog.org/events/nanog-94/register/) *** Video of the Week* ------------------------------------------------------------ *Streaming with Open Caching on the ISP Edge w/ Jeff Budney —Verizon* With over 2,000 views and counting, don’t miss Budney’s deep dive into streaming industry trends, Verizon’s approach to handling traffic, and how Open Caching is transforming video performance. From buffering to start failures, see the real-world results of a nationwide deployment in this insightful talk. *WATCH NOW* (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OAa0s-FDeY) *** Stay Connected* ------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.facebook.com http://www.instagram.com/nanog_org/ http://www.linkedin.com/company/nanog/ https://www.twitter.com/nanog/ http://nanog.org

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[NANOG] The NANOG 94 CFP is open through 28-April-2025
by NANOG Program 21 Apr '25

21 Apr '25

NANOG Community at large, The NANOG Program Committee (PC) would like to remind you that we are accepting proposals through Monday, 28 April 2025, for in-person or live remote presentations at all sessions of NANOG 94, taking place in Denver, CO on 09-11 June 2025. Sometimes, we deal with our own projects so regularly that they no longer seem cool or interesting to us - but they are to other people! Sometimes you want to present, but don’t know what other people want to learn about. During every NANOG Conference we ask everyone to answer the surveys and tell us what they want to hear about at a future conference. Some of the most recent answers are below. If you have a presentation on any of these general or specific topic areas, your community would love to hear from you! Hardware - More hardware talks - Would like to see a talk on different ASIC chip families, like a showdown of different generations. (capabilities, pros/cons) - Softer skills - Professional and career development, especially Kam Agahian and Matt Ringel - Risk-based financial decision making - Conversation on transitioning from a purely operations role to operations and management - Computing and internet history - Keynote or special speaker that isn't even IT related, someone that is a bit famous - AI - Using AI Platforms - More network automation, to attract software developers that also work in networks. Discuss databases, APIs, Linux systems administration as vendor network operating systems are based on Linux. - Details on how to define and build AI agents - More inclusion of Network Automation platforms and open-source. - Network automation with programming languages, databases, APIs, Linux, Docker/Kubernetes, and more. - Continue w AI, automation and interplanetary networking, please. - A presentation on how to use any one of the [automation] tools - Routing - Residential Broadband - Integrating IPv6 - MP-BGP EVPN/ISIS MPLS Segment Routing (ISP focused) - Performance - Open source/freely available tools are out there that don't suck for moving data quickly and efficiently (editor’s note: there was grumbling about globus being expensive) - More information about how to measure and improve network performance from hosts. Submit your presentation proposal and abstract via the Program Committee Tool at: https://www.nanog.org/meetings/submit-presentation/ - Sign in with your Profile Account - Select the type of talk you propose to present, and complete the form Timeline for submission and proposal review: NANOG 94 Calendar of Events Date Event/Deadline *Apr 28, 2025* *DRAFT Presentation Slides Due* May 19, 2025 Meeting Agenda Published Jun 2, 2025 FINAL Slides Due If you have any questions, please email the PC (nanogpc(a)nanog.org) and a representative will respond to you in a timely manner. Otherwise, submit your talk, tutorial, track, or panel proposal to the Program Committee Tool at your earliest convenience. We look forward to reviewing your submission! Sincerely, Adair Thaxton Program Committee Chair Sent on behalf of the NANOG PC

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