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Re: ECN
by Toke Høiland-Jørgensen 25 Mar '25

25 Mar '25

On 13 November 2019 17:20:18 CET, Matt Corallo <netadmin(a)as397444.net> wrote: >This sounds like a bug on Cloudflare’s end (cause trying to do anycast >TCP is... out of spec to say the least), not a bug in ECN/ECMP. Even without anycast, an ECMP shouldn't hash on the ECN bits. Doing so will split the flow over multiple paths; avoiding that is the whole point of doing the flow-based hashing in the first place. Anycast "only" turns a potential degradation of TCP performance into a hard failure... :) -Toke

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Re: Coherent 100G in QSFP28
by Jared Brown 17 Jul '24

17 Jul '24

On 2/28/23, Pascal Masha wrote: > How much will these cost? ADVA said 4ish grand each. Probably less than five. - Jared

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Issue with Geolocation in Virginia US
by Raja Sekhar Gullapalli 04 Jan '24

04 Jan '24

Team, We are having issues in our Virginia US office & it shows geolocation in all browsers as Canada instead of US region when we access news.google.com in our PC. Our public ip is 129.46.232.65. This issue is being observed for more than 2 month. Can you help to whom we can contact to resolve the issue. Regards, Raja

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FW: softlayer.com
by Travis Garrison 23 Sep '23

23 Sep '23

Traceroute from here if it helps Tracing route to 138-43-128-1.reserved.highland.net [138.43.128.1] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms [REDACTED] 2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms [REDACTED] 3 1 ms 1 ms <1 ms [REDACTED] 4 1 ms <1 ms <1 ms [REDACTED] 5 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms v313.core1.mci3.he.net [216.218.213.141] 6 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms 100ge10-2.core1.dal1.he.net [184.105.81.206] 7 26 ms 26 ms 26 ms xo-as15-as2828.10gigabitethernet6-7.core1.dal1.he.net [184.105.255.78] 8 40 ms 39 ms 40 ms 207.88.14.198.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.14.198] 9 40 ms 39 ms 40 ms 207.88.12.178.ptr.us.xo.net [207.88.12.178] 10 39 ms 39 ms 39 ms 216.156.16.239.ptr.us.xo.net [216.156.16.239] 11 48 ms 48 ms 48 ms ip65-46-198-198.z198-46-65.customer.algx.net [65.46.198.198] 12 41 ms 41 ms 41 ms occm-6.dhcp.grp1-rng1.tncsvl.blomand.net.57.131.192.in-addr.arpa [192.131.57.6] 13 * * * Request timed out. Thanks Travis From: NANOG <nanog-bounces(a)nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>> On Behalf Of Siyuan Miao Sent: Friday, March 22, 2019 9:22 AM To: Nikolas Geyer <nik(a)neko.id.au<mailto:nik@neko.id.au>> Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: softlayer.com Perhaps it won't work because their customer support will ask you for bi-directional traceroute and refused to forward to backbone team. Then they'll say it's not their fault and you can see the packet is dropped outside our network. Here's a sample traceroute from SoftLayer Washington, San Jose and Seattle in case someone needs it: aveline@iad02-sl01:~$ mtr 138.43.128.1 --report-wide Start: Fri Mar 22 17:20:42 2019 HOST: iad02-sl01 Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- [REDACTED] 0.0% 10 1.4 1.5 0.8 3.7 1.0 2.|-- ae13.dar02.wdc01.networklayer.com<http://ae13.dar02.wdc01.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 0.5 3.3 0.4 28.6 8.8 3.|-- ae9.bbr01.eq01.wdc02.networklayer.com<http://ae9.bbr01.eq01.wdc02.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 0.8 0.8 0.7 1.0 0.0 4.|-- eqix-dc5.intellifiber.com<http://eqix-dc5.intellifiber.com> 0.0% 10 0.8 1.2 0.8 2.2 0.3 5.|-- ae13-0.cr02.asbn01-va.us.windstream.net<http://ae13-0.cr02.asbn01-va.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 0.9 0.9 0.9 1.0 0.0 6.|-- ae11-0.cr01.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae11-0.cr01.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 15.6 16.1 15.6 17.4 0.5 7.|-- ae0-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae0-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 17.4 16.1 15.9 17.4 0.3 8.|-- h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net<http://h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 24.7 24.8 24.6 24.9 0.0 9.|-- east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net<http://east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net> 0.0% 10 22.6 22.8 22.5 23.8 0.0 10.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 aveline@sjc03-sl01:~$ mtr 138.43.128.1 --report-wide Start: Fri Mar 22 16:21:04 2019 HOST: sjc03-sl01 Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- [REDACTED] 0.0% 10 2.4 2.0 0.3 14.3 4.3 2.|-- ae0.dar02.sjc01.networklayer.com<http://ae0.dar02.sjc01.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 1.0 0.5 0.3 1.3 0.0 3.|-- ae9.bbr01.eq01.sjc02.networklayer.com<http://ae9.bbr01.eq01.sjc02.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 0.8 0.8 0.7 0.9 0.0 4.|-- eqix-sv1.windstream.com<http://eqix-sv1.windstream.com> 0.0% 10 0.9 0.9 0.8 1.1 0.0 5.|-- ae6-0.cr02.lsaj01-ca.us.windstream.net<http://ae6-0.cr02.lsaj01-ca.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 11.6 11.5 11.5 11.6 0.0 6.|-- ae-11-0.cr01.dlls01-tx.us.windstream.net<http://ae-11-0.cr01.dlls01-tx.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 42.6 42.7 42.5 43.4 0.0 7.|-- ae7-0.cr02.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae7-0.cr02.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 64.0 65.6 63.9 74.2 3.4 8.|-- ae1-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae1-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 62.3 62.7 62.2 66.9 1.5 9.|-- h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net<http://h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 71.9 72.0 71.9 72.2 0.0 10.|-- east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net<http://east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net> 0.0% 10 69.9 68.8 68.6 69.9 0.3 11.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 aveline@sea04-sl01:~$ mtr 138.43.128.1 --report-wide Start: Fri Mar 22 08:19:09 2019 HOST: sea04-sl01 Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1.|-- [REDACTED] 0.0% 10 0.7 1.2 0.7 1.8 0.0 2.|-- ae12.dar02.sr01.sea01.networklayer.com<http://ae12.dar02.sr01.sea01.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 0.6 0.7 0.5 1.3 0.0 3.|-- ae9.bbr01.wb01.sea02.networklayer.com<http://ae9.bbr01.wb01.sea02.networklayer.com> 0.0% 10 1.2 1.0 0.7 1.5 0.0 4.|-- six.seattle-wa.us.windstream.net<http://six.seattle-wa.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 1.5 1.0 0.7 1.7 0.0 5.|-- ae12-0.cr01.chcg01-il.us.windstream.net<http://ae12-0.cr01.chcg01-il.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 41.1 41.2 41.0 41.6 0.0 6.|-- ae17-0.cr02.chcg01-il.us.windstream.net<http://ae17-0.cr02.chcg01-il.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 41.1 41.4 41.1 42.0 0.0 7.|-- ae10-0.cr01.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae10-0.cr01.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 63.8 64.4 63.5 71.1 2.3 8.|-- ae0-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net<http://ae0-0.pe06.atln02-ga.us.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 63.7 63.7 63.5 64.0 0.0 9.|-- h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net<http://h43.88.198.64.static.ip.windstream.net> 0.0% 10 71.6 71.8 71.5 72.8 0.0 10.|-- east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net<http://east.tndodge-21.static.tncsvl.blomand.net> 0.0% 10 71.8 70.8 70.2 71.8 0.3 11.|-- ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 Regards, Siyuan Miao On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 10:10 PM Nikolas Geyer <nik(a)neko.id.au<mailto:nik@neko.id.au>> wrote: This is the best approach. Have run into this problem a few times and had zero success getting the filters removed without having SL customers log tickets with support. Verbiage needs to be “this prefix is blocked, please escalate to your backbone team”. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 22, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <lists(a)packetflux.com<mailto:lists@packetflux.com>> wrote: Another idea... Have you tried reaching out to some of the blocked sites? They likely have better contact information than is available publicly, especially a larger one like indeed. On Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 3:41 PM John Alcock <john(a)alcock.org<mailto:john@alcock.org>> wrote: Still looking for anyone from softlayer.com<http://softlayer.com> It has been a challenge. Anything hosted by softlayer.com<http://softlayer.com> is being blocked. Here is a small list so far windowbook.tpondemand.com<http://windowbook.tpondemand.com> ahainstructornetwork.americanheart.org<http://ahainstructornetwork.americanheart.org> clover.com<http://clover.com> Cebroker.com<http://Cebroker.com> Softlayer.com<http://Softlayer.com> indeed.com<http://indeed.com> & Enforce Staffing It is growing every day. John On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 12:35 PM John Alcock <john(a)alcock.org<mailto:john@alcock.org>> wrote: Afternoon, Thought I would start a new thread. After researching, traceroutes, etc, I think I found my problem. 9 out of the 10 sites that subscribers on my new block is being hosted by softlayer. Anyone on the list have contacts with softlayer. Right now I have an email to abuse. The support line will not help me out. John

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Providing geofeed info to Google
by Hugo Slabbert 18 Sep '23

18 Sep '23

Google folks: I see historical reference to needing to use the Google Peering Portal ( http://peering.google.com) if you need to provide Google with geofeed info for GeoIP info on network blocks, ref https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2015-May/075229.html. Is that still the case? Are there any avenues to provide Google with geofeed info if you're *not* currently peering with 15169? Or to get access to just the geofeed update portion of the Peering Portal? -- Hugo Slabbert

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Root zone operational announcement: introducing ZONEMD for the root zone
by Wessels, Duane 12 Sep '23

12 Sep '23

I am pleased to announce that Message Digests for DNS Zones, also known as ZONEMD, will be added to the root zone later this year. This feature, specified in RFC 8976, adds cryptographic data protections to the zone as a whole, allowing the recipient to verify the authenticity of the zone’s contents. ZONEMD will be added to the root zone using a phased approach. On September 13, 2023, a ZONEMD record will make its first appearance in the root zone. At this time the Hash Algorithm field will be set to a private use algorithm number, making the ZONEMD record deliberately unverifiable. On December 6, 2023, the ZONEMD record will be published with the SHA-384 Hash Algorithm, thereby making it verifiable. We expect no operational impacts for end users. ZONEMD does not affect root zone queries and responses. The root server operators have agreed to not alter their zone ingestion processes for at least a year after ZONEMD is first introduced. Anyone that downloads the root zone file from www.internic.net or rs.internic.net should be aware that it will include the new ZONEMD resource record in its native presentation format starting on September 6th. Please feel free to follow up with any questions or concerns. References and further reading: [1] RFC 8976: “Message Digest for DNS Zones”, https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8976 [2] Root Server Operators Statement on adding ZONEMD to the root zone, https://root-servers.org/media/news/2022-08-Statement_on_ZONEMD.pdf [3] RZERC003: “Adding Zone Data Protections to the Root Zone”, https://www.icann.org/uploads/ckeditor/rzerc-003-en.pdf [4] Verisign Blog: “Adding ZONEMD Protections to the Root Zone”, https://blog.verisign.com/security/root-zone-zonemd/ [5] APNIC Ping Podcast episode “Adding ZONEMD protections to the root zone”, https://blubrry.com/ping_podcast/108940688/adding-zonemd-protections-to-the… DW

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Lossy cogent p2p experiences?
by David Hubbard 11 Sep '23

11 Sep '23

Hi all, curious if anyone who has used Cogent as a point to point provider has gone through packet loss issues with them and were able to successfully resolve? I’ve got a non-rate-limited 10gig circuit between two geographic locations that have about 52ms of latency. Mine is set up to support both jumbo frames and vlan tagging. I do know Cogent packetizes these circuits, so they’re not like waves, and that the expected single session TCP performance may be limited to a few gbit/sec, but I should otherwise be able to fully utilize the circuit given enough flows. Circuit went live earlier this year, had zero issues with it. Testing with common tools like iperf would allow several gbit/sec of TCP traffic using single flows, even without an optimized TCP stack. Using parallel flows or UDP we could easily get close to wire speed. Starting about ten weeks ago we had a significant slowdown, to even complete failure, of bursty data replication tasks between equipment that was using this circuit. Rounds of testing demonstrate that new flows often experience significant initial packet loss of several thousand packets, and will then have ongoing lesser packet loss every five to ten seconds after that. There are times we can’t do better than 50 Mbit/sec, but it’s rare to achieve gigabit most of the time unless we do a bunch of streams with a lot of tuning. UDP we also see the loss, but can still push many gigabits through with one sender, or wire speed with several nodes. For equipment which doesn’t use a tunable TCP stack, such as storage arrays or vmware, the retransmits completely ruin performance or may result in ongoing failure we can’t overcome. Cogent support has been about as bad as you can get. Everything is great, clean your fiber, iperf isn’t a good test, install a physical loop oh wait we don’t want that so go pull it back off, new updates come at three to seven day intervals, etc. If the performance had never been good to begin with I’d have just attributed this to their circuits, but since it worked until late June, I know something has changed. I’m hoping someone else has run into this and maybe knows of some hints I could give them to investigate. To me it sounds like there’s a rate limiter / policer defined somewhere in the circuit, or an overloaded interface/device we’re forced to traverse, but they assure me this is not the case and claim to have destroyed and rebuilt the logical circuit. Thanks!

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JunOS/FRR/Nokia et al BGP critical issue
by Mike Lyon 05 Sep '23

05 Sep '23

Ran across this article today and haven't seen posts about it so i figured I would share: https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/bgp-path-attributes-grave-error-handling?fb… Curious if anyone on the list is running VyOS and has experienced any problems? Cheers, Mike -- Mike Lyon mike.lyon(a)gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon

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Feedback requested - 6WIND VSRs
by Mark Prosser 31 Aug '23

31 Aug '23

Hello, Does anyone in the ML have experience with 6WIND's VSR platform for private cloud / on-prem? The feature set sounds very good in the EVPN-SR domains. It also sounds a bit like the Fast, good, cheap venn diagram. If so, please let me know your thoughts in regards to support, stability, warnings. Warm regards, Mark

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Call for Board Member Nominations + More
by Nanog News 31 Aug '23

31 Aug '23

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