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Re: peering charges?
by Dave O'Shea 26 Jan '97

26 Jan '97

From: Vadim Antonov <avg(a)pluris.com> > >Since some of the larger vendors (Cisco mostly) has introduced accounting > >features into their software settlements could start any time. > > a) the accounting was there for years, so what .. But the huge glut of "I wanna be an ISP too!" guys operating a Cisco 2500 out of their garage was not. A large number of ISP's simply don't know what they're doing; witness the universal broadcasting of RFC1597 addresses. > > b) a 100-byte packet travelled from provider A to provider B. Should A pay > to B or vice versa? It's the golden rule - "He who has the gold, makes the rules". Not that the idea isn't without problems.. But seeing peering procedures formalized would make life easier, even if it cost a few bucks. Being a fairly small start up, I know that the odds of UUnet cutting me a check every month are between slim and none. You can tell this list is populated only by Real Engineers. Ten messages and counting on Saturday night. :-)

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Re: operational problems at mae-west?
by Paul Ferguson 25 Jan '97

25 Jan '97

At 09:18 AM 1/25/97 -0700, Brett D. Watson wrote: > > i really don't understand why it's not in mainline though (like >11.2(2)). > They will be in the 11.2_F train. - paul

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Re: operational problems at mae-west?
by Brett D. Watson 25 Jan '97

25 Jan '97

> At 02:48 PM 1/24/97 -0700, Brett D. Watson wrote: > > >2. ios version 11.1.8 early deployment (which i'm told by isp-team i > >shouldn't run unless i *really* feel the need) > > > > Don't know why there should be any issues here; 11.1(x)CA > contains the knobs, is running in several other large production > networks, and is readily available. > yes,i have to correct myself. i just found the knobs in 11.1.7ca1. i shouldnt' have believed them when they told me it wasn't there :) i really don't understand why it's not in mainline though (like 11.2(2)). -brett

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Re: operational problems at mae-west?
by Paul Ferguson 25 Jan '97

25 Jan '97

At 02:48 PM 1/24/97 -0700, Brett D. Watson wrote: >2. ios version 11.1.8 early deployment (which i'm told by isp-team i >shouldn't run unless i *really* feel the need) > Don't know why there should be any issues here; 11.1(x)CA contains the knobs, is running in several other large production networks, and is readily available. - paul

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Re: operational problems at mae-west?
by Paul Ferguson 25 Jan '97

25 Jan '97

At 04:21 PM 1/24/97 -0500, John Hawkinson wrote: > >SPD (IP precedence) will not affect the prioritzation that the >gigaswitch applies (which is no prioritization). > Quite true. ;-) - paul

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Re: operational problems at mae-west?
by Vadim Antonov 24 Jan '97

24 Jan '97

There's a hack around it (not pretty...) -- use physically different LAN to propagate routing updates, with NEXT-HOPs pointing to the "data LAN" interfaces. The problem with that solution is that if data LAN fails, there's no way to learn about it at BGP level. That is due to the unfortunate property of BGP (and many other routing protocols) that it uses the same transport to propagate keepalives and routing updates. --vadim > > i wasnt' aware that bgp keepalives had a queuiing priority... or > >are you talking about spd? > > > > Yes, SPD. SPD (IP precedence) will not affect the prioritzation that the gigaswitch applies (which is no prioritization). --jhawk

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Re: operational problems at mae-west?
by Sanjay Dani 24 Jan '97

24 Jan '97

> We're having air conditioning problems in the room where the MFS Gigaswitches > are. One of the Gigaswitch ATM line cards is being flaky, so I've rearranged > connections onto the other card for now. They tell me the air conditioning > should be back on line in a few minutes, and I'll keep checking. > Steve Funny, it's pleasant 60 degrees out, fairly dry. Only if they built structures around here to let fresh air in naturally when needed. --breathing recirculated air in Cupertino

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Re: random thoughts on how I can prevent spammers from using my net
by MarkG 24 Jan '97

24 Jan '97

Alan, Will fully support your efforts any way we can. BTW thanks for the R.O.D.... Mark Guagliardo CEO(a)NetConcept.com Postmaster(a)USemail.net 805-676-9490 ---------- From: ALAN DORN HETZEL JR <dorn(a)atlanta.net> To: NANOG(a)merit.edu Cc: dorn(a)atlanta.net Subject: random thoughts on how I can prevent spammers from using my net >I have been trying to figure out ways to prevent spammers from using my >net as a sending location (even once). >emails sent, with a charge of $0.05 (or other number) per excess >If we make the terms and conditions obvious, and get a signature before

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Re: operational problems at mae-west?
by Brett D. Watson 24 Jan '97

24 Jan '97

> At 11:52 AM 1/24/97 -0700, Brett D. Watson wrote: > > > > > i wasnt' aware that bgp keepalives had a queuiing priority... or > >are you talking about spd? > > > > Yes, SPD. oh sure, if you run: 1. beta/experimental code (which i can't run) 2. ios version 11.1.8 early deployment (which i'm told by isp-team i shouldn't run unless i *really* feel the need) -brett

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Re: operational problems at mae-west?
by Paul Ferguson 24 Jan '97

24 Jan '97

At 11:52 AM 1/24/97 -0700, Brett D. Watson wrote: > > i wasnt' aware that bgp keepalives had a queuiing priority... or >are you talking about spd? > Yes, SPD. - paul

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