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How to spam nicely?
by Joseph C. Pistritto 24 Feb '97

24 Feb '97

Ok, now that I have your attention. I'd like suggestions from members of the community on the best way to do bulk mailings to our user base (not product recommendations specifically or anything like that), but obvious pitfalls to watch out for. Our "mass mailing" policy in general has been pretty net-friendly, in that we only send mail to people who have registered our product at the address they gave us when they did so (we don't buy lists, etc.), and might be interested in the specific thing we're telling them about, and we only attempt to send each person mail once. We also don't do this very often and keep our mailing lists pretty current. So, any suggestions to make our having to send a bunch of mail more pleasant for the rest of the net? If any of you out there have specific experience with bulk mailing, I'd love to hear about it to avoid stepping on land mines others have already "detected", etc. Thanks in advance. -jcp-

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The Cidr Report
by Tony Bates 24 Feb '97

24 Feb '97

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Career Opportunity/Technical Challenge
by netsrch＠getback.hartley.on.ca 23 Feb '97

23 Feb '97

We are a research firm working with a client that is a major player in the Internet and WAN remote access business. If you would be interested in exploring career opportunities in network engineering with this organization, please click on mailto:netsrch@getback.hartley.on.ca and you will receive additional information. Net Research P.S. We've been careful to ensure that this organization is not your present employer

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NSF-paid ideal
by Jim Fleming 23 Feb '97

23 Feb '97

On Saturday, February 22, 1997 9:24 AM, Kim Culhan[SMTP:kimc@w8hd.org] wrote: @ <snip> @ Jim, please explain your NSF-paid ideal. @ I assume you mean this "NSF-paid" ideal...? If you want to assemble a real "Blue Ribbon Panel" that represents the real Internet society, I suggest that you start with some or all of the people below. These are the people who control the popular Root Name Servers and are the people mandated by the people to "do the right thing". They are also some of the people supported by U.S. taxpayers dollars to make sure that federal government resources such as the Root Name Servers are used properly according to the laws in the United States. We are rapidly approaching March 1, 1997. There will be one year left on the InterNIC agreements developed by the National Science Foundation (NSF). Everyone needs to work together to make sure that those agreements remain stable for one more year and that plans are made to ensure that any transitions are smooth and do not impact the stability of the Internet. The current ARIN attempts to fragment the InterNIC are not in the best interest of the Internet. Instead, the InterNIC should be kept in tact and used as an educational model to help create additional "NICs" across the United States to spread the wealth and jobs around and to ensure better stability via distributed management. I have suggested that the NSF use the $12.6 million to help launch 49 additional NICs, one in each state except for Virginia. By March of 1998, hopefully enough NICs will be operational to allow the current InterNIC as we know it to take its place with the others as a state NIC controlled by the people of Virginia. Many people have worked hard over the past couple of years to demonstrate that cooperating and competing regional NICs can coexist. The technology is well understood and with the stewardship of some or all of the people below, I am confident that the original NSF plan to expand the NICs can be accomplished by the time the NSF agreements with AT&T and Network Solutions, Inc. end. In order to get the regional NICs up to speed, I suggest that states follow the NSF InterNIC model and "ousource" the work to regional companies that have demonstrated their expertise in not only Internet technology but also the emerging registry industry. I suggest that these companies work with their state governments to gain support to work with the elected officials below to get things moving. There is only one year left. Time is getting short. Rather than have anyone rush into dismantling the InterNIC why not join together to clone the InterNIC, not once, but at least 49 times to help the Internet grow. Once this is demonstrated, then obviously the lessons learned will help fuel international growth. No one will be left out. If other countries want to join in this effort, I suggest that they follow a similar plan. Think global but start local. It is the only way that you will make any real progress. I am sure that many people in the U.S. will be glad to lend a hand to get things moving. Hopefully, there will be many examples and more educational programs developed as these efforts unfold. There is no reason why anyone should be left out but there is also no reason why people should hold back waiting for people to catch up. With the clock ticking and $12.6 million in the bank, it is time to duplicate the prototype in Virginia in every state and each country. It is not time to dismantle the prototype. If that occurs then much of the knowledge will be lost and the money the U.S. taxpayers spent to build the InterNIC will be wasted. Again, the following people have the mandate of the people to make sure that money and the efforts are not wasted. They work daily to maximize the return on the taxpayer's investment. Let them know that you want to work with them to make sure you also benefit from those efforts in your states and countries. Thank you for your time... @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ President Bill Clinton and Vice President Al Gore http://www.whitehouse.gov National Science Board (NSB) http://www.nsf.gov/nsb/nsb.htm The NSB has dual responsibilities as: . National science policy advisor to the President and the Congress . Governing body for the National Science Foundation Chairman NSB - Dr. Richard N. Zare, Stanford University rnz(a)chemistry.stanford.edu http://www-leland.stanford.edu/group/Zarelab/ Office of Inspector General of the NSF (also links to Congress) http://www.nsf.gov/oig/oig.htm Inspector General - Linda G. Sundro - lsundro(a)nsf.gov Investigator - Clara Kuehn - ckuehn(a)nsf.gov National Science Foundation Neal Lane - nlane(a)nsf.gov <http://www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/forum/lane/quscipol.htm> Juris Hartmanis - jhartman(a)nsf.gov <http://www.cise.nsf.gov/oad/jhartman.html> George Strawn - gstrawn(a)nsf.gov <http://www.cise.nsf.gov/ncri/Georgehome.html> Don Mitchell - dmitchel(a)nsf.gov <http://www.cise.nsf.gov/ncri/Donhome.html> ===== @@@@@ http://www.fnc.gov/mission.html "The FNC supports the goals of the CIC, particularly those related to building the national information infrastructure (NII). It also seeks to address Federal technology transition goals and allow the operational experiences of FNC agencies to influence future Federal research agendas. 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(C-NYSER) Hostname: C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET Address: 192.33.4.12 System: SUN running UNIX Coordinator: Administration, PSINet Domain (PDA4) psinet-domain-admin(a)PSI.COM (703) 904-4100 domain server Record last updated on 17-Apr-96. ------- SERVER NIC.NORDU.NET 192.36.148.17 [No name] (NORDU) Hostname: I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET Address: 192.36.148.17 System: SUN-4/60 running UNIX Coordinator: Rendahl, Matti [President] (MR164) matti(a)COMEDIA.SE +46 8 612 49 26 +46 70 533 13 56 (FAX) +46 8 612 49 36 Record last updated on 24-Aug-95. ------- SERVER NS.NASA.GOV 192.203.230.10 Moffett Field (NS-NASA) NASA Ames Research Center, Mail Stop 233-8 Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000 USA Hostname: E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET Address: 192.203.230.10 System: SUN running SUNOS Host Administrator, Coordinator: Schlapfer, Marcel (MS4039) marcel(a)NSIPO.NASA.GOV 1-415-604-0955 (FAX) 1-415-604-0036 domain server Record last updated on 25-Oct-96. ------- SERVER NS.NIC.DDN.MIL 192.112.36.4 GSI (DIIS-NS) Suite 200 14200 Park Meadow Dr. Chantilly, VA 22021 Hostname: G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET Address: 192.112.36.4 System: SUN running UNIX Coordinator: McCollum, Robert W. (RM584) bobm(a)NIC.DDN.MIL (703) 802-8476 (FAX) (703) 802-8376 Root Domain Server Record last updated on 18-Aug-95. ------- -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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FW: Short Form 1040/19 EZ
by Jim Fleming 23 Feb '97

23 Feb '97

---------- From: Jim Fleming[SMTP:JimFleming@unety.net.] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 1997 5:15 PM To: 'naipr(a)arin.net' Subject: Short Form 1040/19 EZ Here is a short form 1040/19 EZ that the U.S. Government could be using to allocate /19 CIDR Blocks. @@@@@@@@@ EXAMPLE @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 1. Name, address, and State of Incorporation. (Include copy of the Certificate of Incorporation) _______________________________________ _______________________________________ _______________________________________ 2. Previously allocated blocks that will be returned 60 days after the new allocation is activated. __________________________________ __________________________________ __________________________________ __________________________________ 3. Contact information on the TWO service providers that have agreed to advertise your allocation. Please attach standard routing afidavits from each provider. 1. ________________________________ 2. ________________________________ 4. Business References: 1._____________________________ 2._____________________________ 3._____________________________ 3. Date Submitted and signed by an officer of the company ______________________________________ Please submit the above information along with a $500 application fee drawn on a U.S. bank. Please allow at least 5 days for processing from the date received. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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Scarce IPv4 Resources
by Jim Fleming 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

On Saturday, February 22, 1997 4:40 PM, Jim Fleming[SMTP:JimFleming@unety.net] wrote: @ On Saturday, February 22, 1997 9:27 AM, Avi Freedman[SMTP:freedman@netaxs.com] wrote: @ @ > Avi, @ @ > @ @ > Do you by any chance know if anyone @ @ > in the State of Pennsylvania has a /8 ? @ @ @ @ I don't think so. @ @ @ @ The State @ @ Hershey @ @ Bethlehem Steel @ @ Prepent @ @ PSU @ @ CMU @ @ The City of Philadelphia (with two /16s) @ @ @ @ None of them seem likely to have an /8. @ @ @ @ > If not, do you have any suggestions on @ @ > who would be a good delegate ? @ @ @ @ I think that my dirty old Blue Jew Canoe (the 1988 Olds Delta 88 that I tool @ @ around town in) would make a good delegate. @ @ @ @ > Jim Fleming @ @ @ @ So you seriously think that delegating /8s around to registries and potentially @ @ starting a bidding war for 'easy' address space (which can be obtained with @ @ money rather than demonstrated need and allocation history) is a good thing? @ @ @ @ Good thing the community doesn't trust you to guard our scarce resources. @ @ Can you define the community ? How can you claim the resources are scarce when ISPs have a tiny fraction of the IPv4 space ? As an ISP, can you explain how you obtained your resources ? or, are "your" resources, "our" resources...? Do all ISPs have the resources you have ? -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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RE: Pennsylvania /8
by Jim Fleming 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

On Saturday, February 22, 1997 9:27 AM, Avi Freedman[SMTP:freedman@netaxs.com] wrote: @ > Avi, @ > @ > Do you by any chance know if anyone @ > in the State of Pennsylvania has a /8 ? @ @ I don't think so. @ @ The State @ Hershey @ Bethlehem Steel @ Prepent @ PSU @ CMU @ The City of Philadelphia (with two /16s) @ @ None of them seem likely to have an /8. @ @ > If not, do you have any suggestions on @ > who would be a good delegate ? @ @ I think that my dirty old Blue Jew Canoe (the 1988 Olds Delta 88 that I tool @ around town in) would make a good delegate. @ @ > Jim Fleming @ @ So you seriously think that delegating /8s around to registries and potentially @ starting a bidding war for 'easy' address space (which can be obtained with @ money rather than demonstrated need and allocation history) is a good thing? @ @ Good thing the community doesn't trust you to guard our scarce resources. @ @ Avi @ @ @ Avi, This is twice in recent weeks that you choose to post private e-mail to a public list.... Can you explain how the community develops the "trust" you refer to above when that occurs...? -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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RE: FW: Behind the scenes...
by Jim Fleming 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

On Saturday, February 22, 1997 9:24 AM, Kim Culhan[SMTP:kimc@w8hd.org] wrote: @ @ @ On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Jim Fleming wrote: @ @ [early internet background description deleted] @ @ > I am disappointed to report that the behind the scenes @ > Internet of 1997 looks more like a communist/fascist @ > republic than the democratic system in the U.S. that @ > helped to create the Internet. In my opinion, this is @ > partly because a few individuals have been allowed to @ > rise to positions of visibility and power without the @ > normal checks and balances that are present in a @ > democracy. @ @ Care to name these people ? @ As you will note below, the U.S. Government has a system which will identify and deal with these people. If you are a citizen you can obtain some information on these investigations. Keep in mind that all information is not yet available. Also, your input to the process is valuable. That is the way the U.S. democracy works. The United States of America is a great nation that has been one of the primary leaders in the development of information technology. The Internet is largely derived from government funded projects and without the security, stability, and staying power of the U.S. Government, the large number of Internet users around the world would not be jumping on board the Information Superhighway. Many people and companies have placed trust in the U.S. Government. The U.S. Government places trust in God. (According to the back of a one dollar bill). Despite the fact that many people on the Internet place trust in the IANA, the IETF, the IAHC, the IAB, the IESG and other I* organizations, the fact remains that the U.S. Government backs the Internet. (and the U.S. dollar) Within the U.S. Government various agencies and organizations have helped to move the Internet forward and to provide the representative government needed on the Internet for people to safely make investments in time and money with the knowledge that a democractic and capitalistic group of people are in control. One of the primary agencies helping to fund the Internet has been the U.S. Government funded National Science Foundation (NSF). <http://www.nsf.gov> The NSF has been the primary agency helping to fund and provide the clout for the cooperative acitivity commonly called the InterNIC. The InterNIC was originally made up of three companies, General Atomics, AT&T, and Network Solutions, Inc. These three companies were supposed to work together in various capacities to provide a variety of services including the important clerical duties commonly called "registrations". In the original plan, General Atomics was supposed to be the NIC of NICs and coordinate the activities of the other two companies. The NSF was supposed to oversee the entire activity. If managed properly, many NICs would have been developed through education programs and the Internet Infrastructure would have been expanded beyond the State of Virginia and the few companies originally contracted to be part of the cooperative agreement. That has not occurred. The history of the evolution of the InterNIC has been well-documented and is very clear. In their original proposal to the NSF, Network Solutions, Inc. suggested that they should do the entire job. Jon Postel and Joyce Reynolds of the IANA, are listed on the original Network Solutions, Inc. bid as subcontractors to Network Solutions, Inc. As history has shown, the IANA, working in conjunction with the "InterNIC" (Network Solutions, Inc.) has helped to continue to promote Network Solutions, Inc. to a point where most people consider NSI to be the InterNIC. Throughout the evolution of the InterNIC from a three-company cooperative to a one company monopoly, the NSF has apparently been caught like a deer in the headlights of a car, frozen in indecision but providing mass when needed to allow a few individuals and companies to leverage themselves into positions of great wealth. The NSF has been skillfully used to provide the U.S. Government seal of approval, while policies are enacted by private parties who openly claim that the NSF is "backing" their agendas. Many companies operating within the United States under Federal and State laws, have been shocked over the past few years at how their tax dollars are used to fund the NSF which in turn funds Internet infrastructure with apparently no control over the outcome. Furthermore, despite repeated efforts by other companies to participate in and make investments in the Internet infrastructure, the NSF has stood by and allowed plans and systems to be developed which lock certain companies out while others are given a free pass and in some cases millions of dollars to jump start their business. The recent IAHC <http://www.iahc.org> activity is an excellent example of how a private company (ISOC) <http://www.isoc.org>, with less members than many ISPs, is provided an NSF representative, Dr. George Strawn, <http://www.cise.nsf.gov/ncri/Georgehome.html> for credibility, while they develop a plan to sell what amounts to Internet Domain Registration Franchises to companies willing to pay large fees to fund the private ISOC. Another example is the recently proposed ARIN <http://www.arin.net> organization which claims to have strong support from the NSF to charge fees for IP addresses. The proposed Board of Direcors of ARIN are mostly people funded directly, or indirectly, by the National Science Foundation. <http://www.arin.net/arin_board.html> @@@@@ <http://www.arin.net/arin_faq.html> @@@@@@@@@ "Network Solutions is leading the ARIN proposal based on a mandate from the Internet community reached in rough consensus with strong support from the National Science Foundation and the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA)." @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Fortunately, the U.S. Government had the wisdom to set up an agency within the NSF to provide some of the checks and balances needed to regulate the NSF. That agency is the Office of Inspector General (OIG) <http://www.nsf.gov/oig/oig.htm>. OIG is headed by the Inspector General (IG), who reports directly to the President (via the NSB) and to Congress. ---- Inspector General ------- name: Sundro, Linda G. email: lsundro(a)nsf.gov directorate: Office of Inspector General phone: (703)306-2100 office_phone: (703) fax: (703)306-0649 address: 4201 Wilson Blvd., Room 1135S : Arlington, VA 22230 -------------------------------------- In a recent discussion with Ms. Sundro, she indicated that the NSF Office of Inspector General has been investigating the matters surrounding the InterNIC and a Report to the Deputy Director is about to be published. Ms. Sundro indicated that Ms. Clara Kuehn, a physicist AND ATTORNEY, has been assigned to handle the investigations and can provide information on the status of the report. -------------------------------------- name: Kuehn, Clara email: ckuehn(a)nsf.gov directorate: Office of Inspector General phone: (703)306-2001 office_phone: (703)306-2001 x 1505 fax: (703)306-0649 address: 4201 Wilson Blvd., Room 1135S : Arlington, VA 22230 ------------------------------------------ Ms. Sundro also noted that the e-mail address (oig(a)nsf.gov) listed on the Office of Inspector General web site as an "Electonic Mail Hotline" is not useful in contacting her office. She indicated that Ms. Kuehn will welcome input from people on all topics related to these matters and that the above e-mail address (ckuehn(a)nsf.gov) should be used. In summary, I think that U.S. citizens should be proud that their great country developed much of the technology and infrastructure for the Internet. I also think that the world population should be aware that the hundreds of years of government development in the U.S. has resulted in a system that has the proper agencies to not only help to foster increased growth of the Internet but also to help ensure that citizens around the world are able to compete in this marvelous advancement on a playing field that is fair and level. -- Jim Fleming Unir Corporation e-mail: JimFleming(a)unety.net JimFleming(a)unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)

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Re: Pennsylvania /8
by Avi Freedman 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

> Avi, > > Do you by any chance know if anyone > in the State of Pennsylvania has a /8 ? I don't think so. The State Hershey Bethlehem Steel Prepent PSU CMU The City of Philadelphia (with two /16s) None of them seem likely to have an /8. > If not, do you have any suggestions on > who would be a good delegate ? I think that my dirty old Blue Jew Canoe (the 1988 Olds Delta 88 that I tool around town in) would make a good delegate. > Jim Fleming So you seriously think that delegating /8s around to registries and potentially starting a bidding war for 'easy' address space (which can be obtained with money rather than demonstrated need and allocation history) is a good thing? Good thing the community doesn't trust you to guard our scarce resources. Avi

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Re: < < < < BULK EMAIL > > > > (fwd)
by Sean Doran 22 Feb '97

22 Feb '97

| Spam list, meet Nanog list. | Nanog list, meet Spam list. Nowadays the NANOG list *is* spam. Sean.

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