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Re: Please revisit RealAudio Web page
by Sean M. Doran 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

Yes Scott it is beautiful but there is also a 10 minute propagation delay, so if you want to ask questions (aha! it's a one-way medium!) it does not compete with MBONE, alas. :( A nice idea would be to have MBONE stuff for the live sessions and then rebroadcasts and archives done via Real Video. Sean.

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Re: MTU of the Internet?
by William Allen Simpson 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

> From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> > By loading the images in parallel over multiple TCP connections, you > also totally screw the TCP congestion avoidance mechanisms, and hurt > the net as a whole, especially given how prevalent HTTP is these days. > Unfortunately, as has been seen here, very few people working with the > net these days actually understand the details of things the net > depends on, and TCP congestion avoidance is one of them. > Thank you, Perry! Hey, why bother with that congestion control stuff? It just makes the users complain about slowness.... Just spew the packets as fast as you can, like RealXXX, and screw everybody else. The sooner Fair Queuing is installed (it has been in many smaller vendors' products for 5-6 years, why has Cisco taken so long?), with RED (again, this is several years old), the sooner the blackguards can be bumped out the way of well-behaved applications. This is supposedly an operations list. So, everyone, when are you configuring it in _YOUR_ Cisco? WSimpson(a)UMich.edu Key fingerprint = 17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26 DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32

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Re: Correction.. No MBONE session to join.
by eric＠z.com 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

> From: Jonathan Bosanac <jon(a)CERF.net> > Subject: Re: Correction.. No MBONE session to join. > To: mduckett(a)bellsouth.net (Michael A. Duckett) > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:48:45 -0800 (PST) > Cc: nanog(a)merit.edu > > > > > Is NANOG planning to be on the MBONE? > > > > If not, WHY?!? > > -Jon Lame. I want to see my friends live, even if it is blocky. You know, who's growing a beard, who's now donning a suit instead of jeans, etc. Why set up RealAudio when the target audience uses Mbone more effectively and more routinely? <ASIDE> Death of Mbone predicted. </ASIDE> Gripe, gripe, gripe, gripe, Eric Ziegast PS: I don't read NANOG. Flame/greet me offline. For those that lost touch: ziegast(a){isc.org,cerf.net} uunet!z!eric

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Re: Please revisit RealAudio Web page
by Sean M. Doran 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

One very interesting observation is that the time lag (as best as can be timed using phone/email/irc) is essentially the same whether one is using TCP or UDP as the Preferences-selected transport. Failure modes are different: TCP causes a halt and resume effect, UDP causes "noisy choppy" degradation. A packet trace at the transmitter end would be neat (hint Scott hint), to compare whether the UDP transport is "gentle" compared to the TCP transport. Sean.

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Re: Please revisit RealAudio Web page
by Scott Huddle 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

Other than the video being dim (could be fixed by better lighting of the overheads), the video and sound quality are excellent for me. I'm much more impressed by the quality of the presentation and the software than standard mbone tools. -scott > From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Tue Feb 10 11:04 EST 1998 > From: "Sean M. Doran" <smd(a)clock.org> > To: nanog(a)merit.edu, srh(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Please revisit RealAudio Web page > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 07:57:12 -0800 > Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu > Content-Type> : > text> > Content-Length: 782 > > Sure but they still cough up Error 14s. > > Real Broadcast Networks sure isn't doing itself any favours this > conference... > > Sean. (who likes the technology alot but who thinks > it is demonstrably unsuitable for conferences of > this nature (thinking ahead to IETFs and future > NANOGs) -- at least not for live content.) > - -- > | From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Tue Feb 10 07:53:18 1998 > | From: "Susan R. Harris" <srh(a)merit.edu> > | To: nanog(a)merit.edu > | Subject: Please revisit RealAudio Web page > | MIME-Version: 1.0 > | Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu > | > | Greetings - to pick up today's real audio/visual NANOG feeds, please > | revisit the Web page: > | > | http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9802/update.html > | > | (You'll need to tune in again because the URLs have changed to reflect > | today's date.) > | >

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Re: Please revisit RealAudio Web page
by Sean M. Doran 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

Sure but they still cough up Error 14s. Real Broadcast Networks sure isn't doing itself any favours this conference... Sean. (who likes the technology alot but who thinks it is demonstrably unsuitable for conferences of this nature (thinking ahead to IETFs and future NANOGs) -- at least not for live content.) - -- | From owner-nanog(a)merit.edu Tue Feb 10 07:53:18 1998 | From: "Susan R. Harris" <srh(a)merit.edu> | To: nanog(a)merit.edu | Subject: Please revisit RealAudio Web page | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Sender: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu | | Greetings - to pick up today's real audio/visual NANOG feeds, please | revisit the Web page: | | http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9802/update.html | | (You'll need to tune in again because the URLs have changed to reflect | today's date.) |

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Please revisit RealAudio Web page
by Susan R. Harris 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

Greetings - to pick up today's real audio/visual NANOG feeds, please revisit the Web page: http://www.nanog.org/mtg-9802/update.html (You'll need to tune in again because the URLs have changed to reflect today's date.)

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RV Feed broke
by jamie＠intuition.iagnet.net 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

The RV feed looks broke.. 'http://play.rbn.com/?nanog/nanog/live/nanog-980209-45v.rm' is the link on the page.. but and changing to 980210-45v doesnt work :) -- james g.k. rishaw dal/efnet:gavroche __ IAGnet/CIC/netILLINOIS sys-eng DID:216.902.5455 FAX:216.623.3566 \/ 800.637.4IAGx5455 "The man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them." - Mark Twain

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by jamie＠intuition.iagnet.net 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

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Re: Real audio broadcast
by Sean M. Doran 10 Feb '98

10 Feb '98

Still no video/audio, real or otherwise... :( Sean.

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