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RBN -- Please try later
by Bob Collie 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

Anyone else having major problems with overloaded RBN servers? If so, any suggestions from our friends at RBN? -Bob -- Bob Collie, VP/Chief Technical Officer, Telalink Corporation mailto:bob.collie@telalink.net

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smurf reporting
by Mikael Abrahamsson 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

To report smurfs in a more automated fashion we need a utility that'll take an IP number as input and then return email adresses from the arin/ripe whois database. I guess this can be done an an hour or five :) but I wonder if someone already has done this and would consider posting it here or to me privately? I was also pondering if mail should be sent to upstream providers or not, for instance, if one of netcoms customers was a smurf intermediate, doing a whois on their /24 would reveal both them and netcom, should an email be sent to both? I think this would be a good thing the way things are run here in Europe (when the ISP often owns the router placed at the customers location) but I dont know how it is run over over there so perhaps someone could enlighten me and give me an opinion? ----- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike(a)swm.pp.se

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Re: $110,000 for Gated Source Code
by Tony Li 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

alex(a)Relcom.EU.net (Alex P. Rudnev) writes: > There is ONLY (ONLY) two well-debugged and wideworld checked router > implementation now - first is CISCO IOS, second is GATED. I'd like to take some small issue with that statement. Well debugged????? ROTFL Tony

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Re: $110,000 for Gated Source Code
by Tony Li 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

dhudes(a)graphnet.com (Mr. Dana Hudes) writes: > I agree with Alex. People don't seem to realize that GateD > ran the NFSNET backbone for years. People need to recall the difference between rcp_routed and gated. Tony

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servint contact
by Scott Gross 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

If anyone from Servint is out there, please contact me off-line. Thank you Scott Gross Engineer Worldcom/GDNO scott.gross(a)wcom.com

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I didn't make it up to the microphone quick enough...
by Alex Rubenstein 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

I have a question about the ip reverse-path verification. Obviously, it won't work very well in asymetric multi-homed environment. But, the usefullness could be there (even limitedly) if you could at least filter packets that have source address which does not exist in the routing table _at all_ (irregardless of ingress or egress interface). Is this something that could be implemented easily? -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Atheism is a non-prophet organization. I route, therefore I am. Alex Rubenstein, alex(a)nac.net, KC2BUO, ISP/C Charter Member Father of the Network and Head Bottle-Washer Net Access Corporation, 9 Mt. Pleasant Tpk., Denville, NJ 07834 Don't choose a spineless ISP! We have more backbone! http://www.nac.net -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

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RE: $110,000 for Gated Source Code
by Goodwin, Dustin 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

I would just like to find a company that has licensed the latest source and is reselling binaries for Solaris and will provide support. Reselling at reasonable price of course. ______________________________________________________ Dustin Goodwin Network Engineering Salomon Smith Barney 212-816-3882 pager 800-225-0256 pin 6057061 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris MacFarlane > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 8:17 AM > To: 'Roeland M.J. Meyer'; 'Jon Lewis' > Cc: 'Scott Mace'; 'brad'; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: RE: $110,000 for Gated Source Code > > However how would you like NSF to require larger funding then they already > get because gated goes for free. > > cjm > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-nanog(a)merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of > > Roeland M.J. Meyer > > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 2:31 AM > > To: Jon Lewis > > Cc: Scott Mace; brad; nanog(a)merit.edu > > Subject: Re: $110,000 for Gated Source Code > > > > > > At 11:48 PM 6/8/98 -0400, Jon Lewis wrote: > > >On Mon, 8 Jun 1998, Scott Mace wrote: > > > > > >> I think you would be suprised at the number of commercial > > networking > > >> vendors that use GateD source code as the basis for their routing > > >> protocol suite... > > > > > >And if they're going to sell products based on gated, they should be > > >paying royalties to the Gated Consortium...but why should > > the average ISP > > >that wants to try some of the features of gated 4.x be > > forced to put down > > >a big chunk of change? Many ISPs will have the attitude "if > > I have to > > >spend X on gated, and still pay for the hardware and figure out the > > >software, I'll just hand the money to Cisco and have one > > company to point > > >fingers at if it doesn't work or breaks." > > > > Actually, I'll just use 3.5.9 and point my corporate fingers > > at MERIT if it > > doesn't work, or breaks. Further, if I have run-rime problems > > I may point > > legal fingers that way, as well. Flemming *has* a point, > > since GateD is NSF > > funded, it shouldn't be for-profit. I guarantee that my tax > > dollars are > > already paying for it. Why should I pay extra? > > ___________________________________________________ > > Roeland M.J. Meyer, ISOC (InterNIC RM993) > > e-mail: <mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com>rmeyer(a)mhsc.com > > Internet phone: hawk.mhsc.com > > Personal web pages: <http://www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer>www.mhsc.com/~rmeyer > > Company web-site: <http://www.mhsc.com/>www.mhsc.com/ > > ___________________________________________ > > SecureMail from MHSC.NET is coming soon! > >

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Re: SPID and portmaster 2 BRI.
by Adam D. McKenna 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

SPID stands for Service Profile ID, and you need it in order for your BRI to be operational. There has to be SOMEONE at your phone company that knows what it is, unless your modem(s) support AutoSPID (which downloads/auto-senses the information from the switch..) Anyway, one way or the other, you need to get the SPID or the line will not work. By the way, the convention for SPID in (most of) north america is the phone number +0101. i.e. if your phone number is 987-654-3219, then your SPID would be 98765432190101. I don't know if this is the same in Japan, but you might wanna try that before you go trying to get an answer out of anyone at your local phone company.. Hope this helps. --Adam --- bash: syntax error near unexpected token `:)' Adam McKenna adam(a)flounder.net adam(a)hq.idt.net -----Original Message----- From: Tatsuya Kawasaki <tatsuya(a)giganet.net> To: nanog ml <nanog(a)merit.edu> Date: Tuesday, June 09, 1998 2:33 AM Subject: SPID and portmaster 2 BRI. Hello... I am sure someone up there knows something about 5ESS and portmaster 2. Our local teleco does not seem to know what SPID is. As far as I know according to the livingston manual, I should set up SPID in order to use ISDN.(well actually it is not true for switch type NTT.) I even call the company who sold the 5ESS to the teleco, Lucent Techonologies, Japan, they could not help us all. According a field engineer, he has never heard of it. He looked up the manual, he could not find SPID. Now this bring me to ask someone in this group. 1. What SPID is called in teleco lingo? 2. what switch types are capable with lucent 5ESS? 2.1 why can I find out which switch type we are really getting? 2.3 all I know from the teleco is their telecom "machine" is called 5ESS. 2.4 They believe 5ESS is the switch type but ... 3. what network layer does this SPID setting is used? 3.1 any more info on this SPID on ITU 400s ? 4. Does anyone use portmaster 2 with BRI on 5ESS switch type? 5. Any direct number to lucent Techologies that I could ask some questions about SPID and 5ESS stuff? 6. Any suggestions? sincerely yours, Tatsuya = = = = = = Business Network Telecom (BNT) $B%S%8%M%9%M%C%H%o!<%/%F%l%3%`3t<02q<R(B $B")(B111-0053$B!!El5~ETBfEl6h@uAp66(B3-8-5 31$B;35~%S%k(B6$B3,(B TEL 03-5687-3945 FAX 03-5687-6009 http://www.giganet.net

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Re: $110,000 for Gated Source Code
by Alex P. Rudnev 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

I had a long (2 years) experience with GATED-based routers, host-based routers, etc. What did we learn from this experience (we just have a few PC based routers now, but it's due to historical reasons and some compatibility problems for old customer's unix-based routers), is the next idea. Let's you have a few different router vendors (I mind software vendors) in the global IP network, and both have 1 bug in their software. In case if there is 99 Vendor-1 routers, and 1 Vendor-2 router, the bug in Vendor-1 software cause the total network to have a problems, will be fixed in a few days, and moreover, if the network environment (I mean routing tables, AS pathes etc etc) appear in one point of the network, it faile down surrounded routers and you should not be affected by this bug and this network circumstances. But if this circumstances cause the Vendor-2 router to fail down, and they appear at some point of the network, all Vendor-2 routerss should be affected by this bug because they are connected to the Vendor-1 based network don't affected by this circumstances. We saw this a lot of times for GATED (fortunately gated was used by Merit and this forced them to fix the bug quickly; moreover some part of the network have been isolated by Merit from us). We saw this for Wellfleets sometimes. We never saw this for Cisco because any network influence caused CISCO to crash was isolated not far from the origin. I do not defence CISCO and do not blame Wellfleet or someone else; I only tell about our experience. If your use rarely used routing program, you are affected by the network splashes from the any point of total Internet; if you use the same router as your peers and/or upstream provider, you are isolated from such splashes (if this splash cause your router to fail, it cause your peer/ISP's router to fail before). This is the major reason why CISCO totally win the ISP market for now. And this is why a lot of vendors prefere GATED to some third-party software. This does not mean it's excellent. But it makes more difficult for the network admins to choose new hardware if it's based on the absolutely new software. I'd like to prefere the flame about Wellfleet/Cisco/etc... But to prevent CISCO's monopoly or MS monopoly, you should understand better why did this monopoly appeared. > > Through the world is changed every day. > Alex, > if memory serves you well, which ISP used Wellfleet that, as you claim, > caused bums on Internet?

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Huh? Funky plugin required to view slides?
by Paul Ferguson 09 Jun '98

09 Jun '98

I just noticed that when I 'clicked' on the link for Craig Labovitz's slides, my browser went looking for some funky plugin which I don't have -- something like 'Compass' for Office'97 (which I don't run, BTW). Is there someway to correct these slides and make them viewable by one & all? Tnx, - paul

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