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RE: luser of the day award!
by Goldstein, William C, MIDMK 19 Nov '98

19 Nov '98

Although I share a surname with the more notable and quotable Emmanuel Goldstein, we are not related, to the best of my knowledge. Bill Goldstein Senior Internet Specialist AT&T wgoldstein(a)att.com TEL:(412)642-7288 > ---------- > From: Christopher Neill[SMTP:chrisn@qual.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 1998 6:34 PM > To: Goldstein, William C, MIDMK; nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: luser of the day award! > > On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 04:37:04PM -0500, Goldstein, William C, MIDMK > wrote: > > Has anyone started a "Paul Vix Defense Fund?" > > > > I'll contribute! > > > > I hear Emmanual Goldstein of 2600 Magazine will be hold a special > fundraiser in New York.. > > "Free Kevin Mitnick and Paul Vix Gala 1999" > > w00 h00!@ >

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Re: AS_PATH length and route selection (WAS: Strange BGP announcement)
by Sean M. Doran 18 Nov '98

18 Nov '98

Deepak Jain wrote: | Best guess approximation? Say not more than 1 minute per router (* N | router hops between 1 edge of network and the other?) typically more like | 10 seconds on moderately loaded routers/links? Hm, where does 1 minute per router come from? The only interesting per-router issue is that there may be multiple congested gateways between the source of an iBGP update and some of its destinations. Since iBGP rides on top of TCP it is sensitive to dropped segments, and where traffic pours into a forwarding loop, this can cause multiple full RTOs. Hierarchicalizing the iBGP mesh is a win in part because it localizes some TCP connections such that there are fewer (or no) intermediate gateways that may be congested, thus reducing the liklihood of dropped segments. Likewise, prioritizing iBGP TCP segments over other traffic also reduces the incidence of drops. As far as I know, all large networks currently do both of these things. Finally, fast convergence is a false deity: increasing control traffic in the face of the instability that is endemic to the Internet is a recipe for disaster. Staying slow and being stable is a more intelligent engineering goal; the drawback is that some routing protocols create transient forwarding loops whose lifetimes can be extended under load -- and the load may stem from forwarding packets in a fast loop. A permanently non-converging iBGP mesh replete with loops and black-holes is not just a theoretical possibility. :( Sean.

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Re: luser of the day award!
by Dan Bustillos - Datalink Internet 18 Nov '98

18 Nov '98

This guy has got way too much time on his hands. We as NSP/ISP's must protect our self from spammers. We don't like it and our customers don't like it. I only have one question: Wht are his legal grounds? If any! Just my 2 Cents! Thank you, Dan Bustillos Technical Support Specialist Datalink Internet (530) 897-6400 (888) 328-4638 ******************* "Error, No Keyboard - Press F1 to continue" Only on a PC would you see this error. Never on my mac.

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Re: AS_PATH length and route selection (WAS: Strange BGP announcement)
by Sean M. Doran 18 Nov '98

18 Nov '98

Ben Black wrote: | The key to this is that the administrative preference in question has domain | scope. Assuming you are correctly implementing iBGP, whether with a full | mesh, reflectors, or confederations, and assuming consistent announcements | from external route originators, then you can't make a loop because the | same policy is in effect for all the routers in the AS. You will not form a *persistent* loop or black-hole. However, as there is invariably some degree of propagation delay among iBGP speakers, particularly in a large network, there can be short-lived loops or black-holes when converging upon routing changes. Sean.

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Re: luser of the day award!
by Paul Vixie 18 Nov '98

18 Nov '98

> This seems like good incentive for anyone who does not use the RBL to sign > up. -:) > > Sean. See http://maps.vix.com/rbl/ for more information on using the RBL, either by signing up or just adding a line to your sendmail.mc file. -- Paul Vixie <paul(a)vix.com>

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Re: luser of the day award!
by Mike Reno 18 Nov '98

18 Nov '98

Do it in Vegas and go for some additional high risk investment capital! :) -=Mike Reno=- At 11:19 AM 11/18/98 -0800, D wrote: >Is it contempt of court if you look forward to the court case as a better >solution to expensing a technical seminar? We should just hold the >next NANOG the lobby of the courthouse, then we can countersue for court >costs, and have him pay our way... and afford to stay in POSH hotels. :) > >Just a thought. :) > >D > /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ ! Mike Reno ! EarthLink Network ! ! Hostmaster ! 3100 New York Drive ! ! email: mreno(a)earthlink.net ! Pasadena CA 91107 ! !. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .! ! Voice 626-296-5072 ! FAX 626-296-5113 ! \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ Earthlink -- The High Fiber Decongestant for the Internet

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cw.net congestion in Seattle?
by Joe Hamelin 18 Nov '98

18 Nov '98

Has anyone else noticed congestion (lost packets) going through cw.net in Seattle? The router I see is bordercore2-hssi5-0-1.Seattle.cw.net (166.48.208.5). Thanks, Joe

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Re: What's wrong with Exodus?
by TTSG 18 Nov '98

18 Nov '98

> > Actualy they sent you mail on monday and cc'd the NANOG list. > Yes, I did receive that. I guess I just thought I would have gotten more direct contact than something broadcast to NANOG. Ok, I retract my statement. Tuc/TTSG > Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:40:51 -0800 > From: Janis Purl <Janis.Purl(a)exodus.net> > Subject: clue phone > To: TTSG <ttsg(a)ttsg.com> > > On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 01:52:16PM -0500, TTSG wrote: > > BTW: As originator of the first email begging for clueful contact > > at Exodus......And after sending requested information.............. > > > > I've yet to see an email from them even saying "We got your logs, > > thanks". > > > > Tuc/TTSG > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > : Steven Noble / Network Janitor / Be free my soul and leave this world alone : > : My views = My views != The views of any of my past or present employers : > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >

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Re: luser of the day award!
by Mike Reno 18 Nov '98

18 Nov '98

Robbie, >From the way this guy is spouting off, I doubt he has an attorney ... unless it's one that specializes in bovine birth certificates. How he has survived this long is a wonder. Any good attorney would have provided a use policy that would have addressed spam. Definitely a man or boy of 1000 contradictions. -=Mike=- At 02:06 PM 11/18/98 -0500, Robbie Honerkamp wrote: >On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 01:04:34PM -0500, Christopher Neill wrote: >> Anyone else get mail from this idiot? > >Yep. He even replied to my response: > > >His original message is really amusing. It makes me think back to >Robert McElwaine. If only he had added "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and >DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY >to COMPUTER BULLETIN BOARDS." to the end. > >Guess I'll see everyone in court! It should be one heck of a party! :-) > >Robbie > >-- >Robbie Honerkamp >ISP Consulting, System Administration >robbie(a)shorty.com http://www.shorty.com/ > > /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ ! Mike Reno ! EarthLink Network ! ! Hostmaster ! 3100 New York Drive ! ! email: mreno(a)earthlink.net ! Pasadena CA 91107 ! !. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .! ! Voice 626-296-5072 ! FAX 626-296-5113 ! \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ Earthlink -- The High Fiber Decongestant for the Internet

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Re: Exodus / Clue problems
by Steve Noble 18 Nov '98

18 Nov '98

Naw.. letting the Conspiracy Theory run rampant is more fun. I would be hard pressed to think that anyone really thought that Exodus was not doing anything. Just because they arn't posting to NANOG does not mean that work was/is not being done on the issue. Once Exodus spent the time assembling and presenting the information to the customer, their job was done. It is now up to the customer to speak (or not speak) about the issue. But anyways .. Anyone have any information about the other 33842 sites that are being used to do this? Maybe we can turn this into a operational speak like "How ISP's deal with complaints about their Customers attacking other sites" And find out exactly how successful or not successful people were with getting these other sites secured and the problem stopped. On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 at 11:30:41AM -0500, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 at 06:25:42PM -0500, Steven J. Sobol wrote: > > It's interesting that the people who normally post here from Exodus have > > not said a word or offered any help at all. > > Yeah. > > Ain't lawyers great? > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Steven Noble / Network Janitor / Be free my soul and leave this world alone : : My views = My views != The views of any of my past or present employers : -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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