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NANOG 17
by Pam Ciesla 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

Thank you everyone for your interest in the NANOG Meetings. NANOG 17 registration is closed. We had a maximum of 500 for seating and have already pass that. There will absolutely be NO walkins for this meeting. Maybe it's the location! Pam Ciesla Pam Ciesla Merit Network,Inc. 734-936-0172 - phone 4251 Plymouth Road 734-647-3185 Bldg.I, Suite C pam(a)merit.edu Ann Arbor, MI 48107

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Re: DACS vendor (additional details)
by Peter Polasek 23 Sep '99

23 Sep '99

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Richard Newcomb wrote: > Peter, > > What is your configuration need, and capacity(payload) requirement > regarding bandwidth. Also, one would need to understand how many > DS0's (zeros) per DS1 you wish to split, and if any of them will > need to be paired, as in dual channel ISDN. > > Richard Newcomb Richard, Thanks for your response. I should have provided more details in my message. I am CC'ing this response to the group so that these details are clear. I have already received several useful responses and will issue a summary when the message frequency drops. We will be splitting T1's into 128's, 256's, ... (not 56Kb lines because the lower bandwidth lines have 56Kb local loops). The T1 lines would typically be split into a maximum of eight various speed ports (128-512, occasionally 56, but not typically). I am assuming that products exist to split directly into a 256Kb without requiring that multiple 56's to be bundled, but this may not be the case (I would appreciate clarification on this point). We may subsequently use it for 56K lines, so a chassis that supports both 8-way and 24-way cards is helpful. Approximately 50 T1's are currently candidates for splitting to lower bandwidth. Our preference is to use multiple small capacity DACS rather than larger 'megaDACs' to minimize the impact of a chassis failure. We will have at least one unpopulated hot spare in each location. Thanks, Pete > Original Message: > ----------------- > We are considering using Digital Access Cross Connect units (DACS) > to split T1 local loops into fractional T channels. Given that > our current knowledge of DACS does not extend significantly beyond > the ability to spell the acronym, I am soliciting advice from the > network group for recommended hardware vendors. Cost is not an > object, we are primarily concerned with choosing the 'industry > standard' manufacturer with the highest reliability and knowledgeable > technical support. Please share your experiences (positive or > negative) with DACS equipment. In an effort to minimize traffic on > the NANOG list, I request that responses be sent to my e-mail address > and I will submit a summary when all the votes are in. The vendors > under consideration now are Adtran, Eastern Research, StarDAX, and > Fisher Price (we have some reservations about the latter product). > > Thanks in advance, > Peter Polasek > pete(a)brass.com

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Query for NANOG: Want a Peering BOF?
by William B. Norton 22 Sep '99

22 Sep '99

Hi all - Before proposing a Peering BOF I'd like to get a sense of the community interest, so here is what I was thinking... Peering BOF Description ----------------------- The idea would be to have a BOF for those who are interested in establishing peering relationships, to find out who each other is, and have a light agenda focused on one or two short peering-related issues. In this forum we would pass a hat around to get everyones business cards and then e-mail out to those folks an Excel spreadsheet with everyones contact information. The hope is that this would help facilitate peering in the 'net. Agenda ------ I can contribute to the agenda an overview of a draft I just finished (with the help of a bunch of you) called "The Peering Decision Tree" that describes in rough terms the process the ISPs I spoke with go through to determine with who and with which method to peer. So: ------ Please send me private e-mail me if a) You think this is a good idea and you would participate in the BOF, or b) You have an agenda item you'd like to contribute, or c) This is the worst idea Curtis has ever heard. Thanks! Bill Note: From the looks of the agenda there may not be time to do this BOF at the Montreal NANOG so if there is interest we may have wait til NANOG 18...Let's first see if there is interest... ---------------------------------------------------------------- William B. Norton <wbn(a)equinix.com> +1 650.298.0400 x2225 Equinix Director of Business Development

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Rochelle Park and North Carolina
by Sean Donelan 21 Sep '99

21 Sep '99

Bell Atlantic indicates 95%-99% of the telephone service should be restored from their New Jersey Rochelle Park office by 9am Monday morning. Bell Atlantic and AT&T Wireless, who also has equipment in the same building, have put updates on their web sites and issued media releases about their progress. Apparently in the past BA had used a half-dozen pumps to keep the water out of the building, but residents in the area complained that practice made the flooding worse in their houses, so they weren't used this time. At its peak, 99 Bell Atlantic reported central offices on backup power. Something to watch out for the next few days in North Carolina. Due to road damage from flooding, diesel deliveries are iffy in much of eastern North Carolina. Unless power is restored, some facility generators may run dry.

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NANOG 17 Registration Closed
by Pam Ciesla 21 Sep '99

21 Sep '99

Due to limited seating registration for NANOG 17 is now closed. Payment of $300 is due by Friday, 9/24. Payment received after Friday, 9/24 will be $350. Cancellation by Friday, 9/24 is at no charge after 9/24 there will be a $35 cancellation fee. Please check tha attendee list on the NANOG webpage http://www.nanog.org for you payment status. At this time we will not be accepting walkins at the meeting. Any questions please contact me. Thanks Pam Pam Ciesla Merit Network,Inc. 734-936-0172 - phone 4251 Plymouth Road 734-647-3185 Bldg.I, Suite C pam(a)merit.edu Ann Arbor, MI 48107

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Re: MCI/Worldcom fiber cut in NY?
by John Fraizer 19 Sep '99

19 Sep '99

At 11:50 AM 9/17/99 -0400, Marc Hurst wrote: >> From what I've heard it's caused by a flooded CO, we have quite a >> few T1s affected by this. > >Can't anyone build a CO so its bullet proof? Geez... Bullet proof, YES. Waterproof, Doubtful.

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Fwd: Re: MCI/Worldcom fiber cut in NY?
by Sean Donelan 19 Sep '99

19 Sep '99

"Henry R. Linneweh" <linneweh(a)concentric.net> writes: >Hmm most wise builders have a 3 to 4 foot high >concrete fuel cell mount pedestal and generator mount >type pedestal now days, to help prevent some of these >problems, especially at critical data centers. Perhaps. but even the best layed plans can get scuttled. And in this case 3 to 4 feet would not have been enough. Many ATM cash machines are off-line all over the country because EDS's data center in New Jersey went down due to power failures and flooding. If there was a data center that met the description of a "bunker" that was it.

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IS-IS reference
by Jack Crowder 18 Sep '99

18 Sep '99

I was wondering if I could talk with someone who has recently implemented IS-IS. I'm attempting to move a small NSP away from static routing and based on their topology - OSPF would have to be configured all in Area 0. Since the technology provided by this NSP to their customers will include multicast services (video specifically), I thought that I should consider IS-IS while the slate is relatively clean. If there is someone who has implemented this routing on their network that I could ask a few questions of (practical experience), I would appreciate it. Jack Crowder monterey(a)spies.com

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Re: MCI/Worldcom fiber cut in NY?
by Sean Donelan 18 Sep '99

18 Sep '99

If I recall, during hurricane Hugo a Sprint CO flooded. They kept the water from coming in the doors, but didn't have a snorkal for the generator. Although its great fun to discuss different disasters which can hit buildings, a fundamental principle is a you can't protect a single building, even a bunker, from everything.

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RE: MCI/Worldcom fiber cut in NY?
by Dan Rabb 18 Sep '99

18 Sep '99

I'm waiting for the obvious ping joke... Dan Rabb dbn Corp. -----Original Message----- From: Jake Khuon [mailto:khuon@GCtr.Net] Sent: Friday, September 17, 1999 11:51 PM To: nanog(a)Merit.Net Subject: Re: MCI/Worldcom fiber cut in NY? ### On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:00:00 -0600, "Alec H. Peterson" ### <ahp(a)hilander.com> casually decided to expound upon John Fraizer ### <John.Fraizer(a)EnterZone.Net> the following thoughts about "Re: ### MCI/Worldcom fiber cut in NY?": AHP> John Fraizer wrote: AHP> > AHP> > Bullet proof, YES. Waterproof, Doubtful. AHP> AHP> Sure you can, make it so that it's at least several hundred feet above sea AHP> level, and not in a flood plain. Or in a submarine... great way for the gov't to earn extra money by converting its SSBNs. Pros include: * High survivability even in the midst of tactical nuclear strikes * Totally indepedent power source that will last years without the need to replenish fuel... DC power generally available * Heightened security... the facility is always at DEFCON 2 * Excellent heat dissipation * 24x7 on-site NOC Cons include: * Cramped quarters... routers must fit inside either 21" torpedo tubes or SLBM silos * All equipment must comply with increased noise abatement rules * Access to the facility accomplished via helo or underwater insertion through the diving trunk. * Potential for your equipment to be "accidently" ejected * Very slow low bandwidth circuit availability via ELF * On-site staff generally very grumpy after their 3 month "shift" -- /*====================[ Jake Khuon <khuon(a)GCtr.Net> ]======================+ | Network Statistics Engineer, NSM/Net-Eng /~ |2 () |\| ~|~ | @ |2 | | VOX: +1(408)543-4828 Fax: +1(408)543-4806 _/~ G L & B A L C E N T E R | +===============[ 141 Caspian Court, Sunnyvale, CA 94089 ]===============*/

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