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Not really operational, but interesting: Gates steps down (kinda)
by I Am Not An Isp 14 Jan '00

14 Jan '00

http://www.iwon.com/home/money/money_article/0,2090,200|business|01-14-2000: :00:06|reuters,00.html TTFN, patrick -- I Am Not An Isp - www.ianai.net ISPF, The Forum for ISPs by ISPs, <http://www.ispf.com> "Think of it as evolution in action." - Niven & Pournelle (OhMyGod - Watch out 'Net, I got enable again! ;-)

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Cleveland outage (Warning: operational content)
by Steve Sobol 14 Jan '00

14 Jan '00

http://www.cleveland.com/news/sreports/flood A 36" pipe burst yesterday afternoon, releasing over 25 gallons of water into an area covering several city blocks. As luck would have it, my office building (the Superior Building) sits right in front of the place where the pipe burst. I was down there last night and again tonight, and it's a *mess*. East 9th Street, downtown Cleveland's main north-south thoroughfare, remains closed between St. Clair and Superior avenues. There was a huge sinkhole last night... the entire financial district looked like a war zone, and it looked like someone dropped a bomb on 9th Street. At 9th and Rockwell, several services are completely down. Ameritech has fiber in this area, as does MCI Worldcom. MCI Worldcom and CLEC NextLink Ohio both have facilities in the Superior Building. NextLink's Cleveland CO, in fact, is on the second floor. They seem to have weathered the crisis pretty well. I don't know about Worldcom. Quite frankly, I don't do business with them, and I'm not sure whether they provide dialtone, data services or some other services out of the Superior Building, as I've not had the opportunity to talk to anyone up there. Ameritech Voice Mail was broken earlier. It's still not quite working correctly. I just verified this by dialing my home phone number. Since I'm dialing FROM my home phone line, I should get my custom greeting immediately, because the line's busy. Instead, I have to wait four rings and then I get the default message. WRT ISP's: The biggest ISP in the Superior Building is NACS.NET (my upstream). Multiverse, another largish local ISP, is here too, but their dialups and servers are colocated at Verio. Verio, along with a slew of other ISP's, has offices at Playhouse Square that were not affected by the flooding. Obviously, I'm also located in the SB, and I know of one other small service provider that runs his servers and dialups out of the same building (the office next to me, in fact). I don't know about him, but NACS appears to be doing fine. They're running off several generators. I brought my two servers downstairs and hooked them up to their generators, so I'm back up too. It looks like the impact on connectivity should be pretty minimal. Power, however, isn't expected to go back on before the end of the day tomorrow. Also, they had to cut a gas line to get down to the water main. (RELAX... they turned off the gas first! NO BACKHOES, I repeat, NO BACKHOES were involved in this incident!) One of the talking heads on the eleven o'clock news said the water main could be fixed as early as 1AM EST (forty-five minutes from now). -- North Shore Technologies http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net 888.480.4NET Steve Sobol, President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor sjsobol(a)NorthShoreTechnologies.net My opinions DO, in fact, represent the official opinions of North Shore Technologies Corporation, since I own the company. Thanks for asking.

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Cleveland outage: correction
by Steve Sobol 14 Jan '00

14 Jan '00

That would be 25 million gallons. Not 25 gallons. -- North Shore Technologies http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net 888.480.4NET Steve Sobol, President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor sjsobol(a)NorthShoreTechnologies.net My opinions DO, in fact, represent the official opinions of North Shore Technologies Corporation, since I own the company. Thanks for asking.

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Re: Cleveland outage (Warning: operational content)
by Steve Sobol 14 Jan '00

14 Jan '00

Um, yes, that would be 25 *million* gallons. Typos suck. :) Todd Stroup wrote: > > Not to be a smart ass or anything but I hope it was ALOT more than 25 > gallons. :) > > T..S > > On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Steve Sobol wrote: > > > > > http://www.cleveland.com/news/sreports/flood > > > > A 36" pipe burst yesterday afternoon, releasing over 25 gallons of > > water into an area covering several city blocks. > > > > As luck would have it, my office building (the Superior Building) > > sits right in front of the place where the pipe burst. I was down > > there last night and again tonight, and it's a *mess*. > > > > East 9th Street, downtown Cleveland's main north-south thoroughfare, > > remains closed between St. Clair and Superior avenues. There was a > > huge sinkhole last night... the entire financial district looked > > like a war zone, and it looked like someone dropped a bomb on 9th > > Street. > > > > At 9th and Rockwell, several services are completely down. Ameritech > > has fiber in this area, as does MCI Worldcom. MCI Worldcom and CLEC > > NextLink Ohio both have facilities in the Superior Building. NextLink's > > Cleveland CO, in fact, is on the second floor. They seem to have > > weathered the crisis pretty well. I don't know about Worldcom. Quite > > frankly, I don't do business with them, and I'm not sure whether > > they provide dialtone, data services or some other services out of > > the Superior Building, as I've not had the opportunity to talk to > > anyone up there. > > > > Ameritech Voice Mail was broken earlier. It's still not quite working > > correctly. I just verified this by dialing my home phone number. Since > > I'm dialing FROM my home phone line, I should get my custom greeting > > immediately, because the line's busy. Instead, I have to wait four > > rings and then I get the default message. > > > > WRT ISP's: The biggest ISP in the Superior Building is NACS.NET (my > > upstream). Multiverse, another largish local ISP, is here too, but > > their dialups and servers are colocated at Verio. Verio, along with > > a slew of other ISP's, has offices at Playhouse Square that were not > > affected by the flooding. > > > > Obviously, I'm also located in the SB, and I know of one other small > > service provider that runs his servers and dialups out of the same > > building (the office next to me, in fact). I don't know about him, > > but NACS appears to be doing fine. They're running off several > > generators. I brought my two servers downstairs and hooked them up > > to their generators, so I'm back up too. > > > > It looks like the impact on connectivity should be pretty minimal. > > > > Power, however, isn't expected to go back on before the end of the day > > tomorrow. Also, they had to cut a gas line to get down to the water > > main. (RELAX... they turned off the gas first! NO BACKHOES, I repeat, > > NO BACKHOES were involved in this incident!) > > > > One of the talking heads on the eleven o'clock news said the water > > main could be fixed as early as 1AM EST (forty-five minutes from now). > > > > -- > > North Shore Technologies http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net > > 888.480.4NET > > Steve Sobol, President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor > > sjsobol(a)NorthShoreTechnologies.net > > My opinions DO, in fact, represent the official opinions of North > > Shore Technologies Corporation, since I own the company. Thanks for > > asking. > > -- North Shore Technologies http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net 888.480.4NET Steve Sobol, President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor sjsobol(a)NorthShoreTechnologies.net My opinions DO, in fact, represent the official opinions of North Shore Technologies Corporation, since I own the company. Thanks for asking.

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Oh yeah. Pictures.
by Steve Sobol 14 Jan '00

14 Jan '00

http://www.cleveland.com/news/sreports/flood/pages/1.html and if you prefer to read, rather than looking at pictures: http://www.cleveland.com/news/sreports/flood/ -- North Shore Technologies http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net 888.480.4NET Steve Sobol, President, Chief Website Architect and Janitor sjsobol(a)NorthShoreTechnologies.net My opinions DO, in fact, represent the official opinions of North Shore Technologies Corporation, since I own the company. Thanks for asking.

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Re: Selection of Appropriate Local SMTP Relay
by Andrew Bender 13 Jan '00

13 Jan '00

> If you have routing loops in your network, chances are you have bigger > issues to worry about.. Discontiguous networks create a supportability problem, and increase the risk of these very issues. One is not well advised (IMHO) to create such a network without a darn good reason...and this (to me) does not seem to be a Darn Good Reason. > Oh, and the mentioned "stardust" problem will happen whether you > choose to deploy distributed mail/dns/cache servers, or whether you have > a big farm. You'll still need some form of load-balancing in front of > your cluster. That's exactly the point. It is easier to solve this problem (not to mention scale or plan) for a farm or cluster than for servers in each of 270 pops. And easier yet when I use names, rather than the silly "well knowns". Opinions aside, the infrastructure required to support stateful load balancing for these boxes in each of their routing islands is substantially more than most are committing these days... Regards, Mr. Stardust tns-inc.com

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No Op. - Social action in SFO 5/6 February pre-NANOG mtgs.
by Lauren F. Nowlin 13 Jan '00

13 Jan '00

Hi all, Apologies to Randy for the non-operational content here... but of course we hope he joins us out on the Santa Cruz Boardwalk Sunday for bumper cars... should be smashing (gee I sound like Bill Norton!) entertainment. Saturday (5-Feb) afternoon: Paintball - e-mail Bill Norton <wbn(a)equinix.com> for details Saturday evening: Boating for an hour tour of the Bay (bring a jacket) - $10 per person. Meet at the entrance to Pier 39 (yeah, touristy but everyone can get directions to Pier 39) at 5:15 p.m. We want to make sure sunset is out on the water. Folks car-pooling from the Doubletree Hotel San Jose, 2050 Gateway Place, San Jose, CA 95110 should gather around 3:45 / 4 p.m. in the hotel lobby. It is about 50 miles between SJC & SFO and parking in SFO can be tough on the weekends. If you have a car reservation ask for a large vehicle and we'll load-up & caravan to the city. Saturday night (around 7:30 / 8 p.m.): Dinner in San Francisco at Fisherman's Grotto #9 down in the heart of the wharf. Chowder, sourdough & geeking.. I'm going to make a reservation for a party of 20 under the name NANOG. After a lengthy dinner & stroll of the Pier, we should do dessert at Ghiradelli Square (ice-cream sundaes to drool over) around 10 p.m. Clubbing/dancing - Locations TBD (Christian mentioned some 'Gold' club?)... lots of variety in SFO. Sunday: Santa Cruz on the Boardwalk is where we plan to recover the next day <g> http://www.beachboardwalk.com will display a few of the amusements. Rollercoasters run from 11 a.m. to 6 p.m. in February. Bumper cars, salt-water taffy, sand & the usual beachfront stores are all there. This is the boardwalk from the movie _The Lost Boys_ . The ancient arcade has Tron, Ms. Pacman, Centipede, a shooting gallery and of course the latest video games. Woody has the name of a great sushi spot in Santa Cruz (Cathy W. probably does too...) We are going to meet in the hotel lobby at 10:30 and sort out the carpool. Plan to return to the hotel ~3:30. Andrew Khoo insists sushi should be the dinner plan on Sunday night <g> He never gets enough... Anyway, RSVP for the dinner on Saturday night so that I'll have a better guesstimate of 20 or 30 for dinner at the Fisherman's Grotto. Please don't rsvp to the list... Thanks all, -Ren Lauren F. Nowlin, ren(a)onyx.net / peering(a)onyx.net Director, Peering & Interconnects Onyx Networks, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Pacific Gateway Exchange Voice: 650-558-3262, Fax: 650-558-3154, Cellphone: 650-281-6963

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Re: Selection of Appropriate Local SMTP Relay
by Andrew Bender 13 Jan '00

13 Jan '00

Jeff Mcadams <jeffm(a)iglou.com> wrote: > Not necessarily...if you can spread your mail servers out to different > parts of your network, then they're going to have the same IP address > and your dialup ports will "magically" find the closest one. Don't forget to mention that routing loops will never occur, and the aforementioned "stardust" will be mindful of server health, load, etc. Regards, Andrew Bender tns-inc.com

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Fwd: Superior Building
by Derek J. Balling 13 Jan '00

13 Jan '00

>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 19:05:12 -0500 (EST) >From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol(a)apk.net> >To: dredd(a)megacity.org >Posted-To: apk.general >Subject: Superior Building >Organization: North Shore Technologies Corp. 888.480.INET > > >(Cc'd to Derek Bailing: Derek, if you could please post this to NANOG >for me, I'd appreciate it) > >A water main break has led to a loss of building power at the Superior >Building at 815 Superior Avenue in Cleveland. There are a number of >local service providers in the building (including myself, NACS.NET and >Multiverse) and MCI Worldcom and NextLink Ohio also have facilities there. >(I did call my main phone number, which is serviced by NextLink, and I got >voice mail, so my guess is that their switches and other equipment are >still ok. They service the 216-619 prefix. I'm not sure which other >prefixes they handle.) > >Water is still coming into the basement of the building even as I post this >message. There is no ETA for repair.

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NANOG 18 Registration Closed
by Pam Ciesla 12 Jan '00

12 Jan '00

The attendee registration for NANOG 18 has reached the 500 limit. I will have a wait list available, you can be added to this list by sending me e-mail only. NO walkins at the meeting. Registration fee of $300 is due by 1/28/00, the fee goes up to $350 after 1/28. If you are on the attendee list but unable to attend please cancel by contacting me. Thanks Pam Pam Ciesla Events Coordinator Merit Network,Inc. 734-936-0172 - phone 4251 Plymouth Road 734-647-3185 - fax Bldg.I, Suite 2000 pam(a)merit.edu Ann Arbor, MI 48105

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