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FYI- IPv6 Meeting in DC Oct 19-20
by Charles Brownstein 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

The IPv6 Forum and the Cross-Industry Working Team (XIWT) are hosting a meeting in downtown DC just before NANOG. info/registration: http://www.xiwt.org/XIWT-IPv6/meetingsite.html agenda so far includes: -Greg Papadopoulos, Sun -Robert Kahn, CNRI - Sue Horn, VP and Director of Raleigh Lab, IBM - Christian Huitema, Microsoft -Thomas Narten, IBM - Home Networking and IPv6 - Brian Haberman, Nortel - Michael Thomas, Cisco - Russ Mundy, Network Associates, Inc. - Charlie Perkins, Nokia - Bill Lenharth, UNH InterOperability Lab - Fred ter Haar, Ericsson - Leo Cameron, Nortel - Mark Silverberg, Compaq - Bob Fink, ESNet - Alan Halachmi, North Carolina Network Initiative - Michael Brig, US Navy - Joao da Silva, European Commission - Steven Hayes, 3rd Generation Partnership Program - Joe Barrett, Nokia - Takeshi Natsuno, NTT DoCoMo - André Cormier, Viagénie Inc - Richard Draves, Microsoft - Warren Matthews, SLAC - Steve Blumenthal, Genuity - Greg Miller, WorldCom - Steve Sim, BT - Orv Cooper, Zama

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Re: o/t: Re: Root zone change -- d.gtld-servers.net
by Steven M. Bellovin 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

In message <39C9F363.2CCD6243(a)netmore.net>, Roland Dobbins writes: > >The point I was trying to make - and which I'm sure that you understood, >but simply chose to ignore - is that it's not a Bad Thing to be somewhat >U.S.-centric when discussing technical issues on the North American >Network Operator's Group list. > >*Technical issues*. I could care less about your juvenile political >beliefs, nor, I suspect, do the vast majority of subscribers to this >list. It's sad that you've so much trouble distinguishing between the >two. > >Your personal animus and general obnoxiousness are surprising, given >your c.v. and and the position of responsibility you hold within Verio. >It will be interesting to learn how their P.R. department respond to >questions concerning your penchant for injecting political commentary >into an unmistakably -technical- forum, all the while in your official >guise as an officer of said company. Since Verio is being purchased by NTT, I suspect that upper management really cares about international issues, and welcomes senior folks who understand that the net is not just North American... --Steve Bellovin

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Hotels
by Robert Cannon 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

If you are looking for hotels, other areas two look are Rossyln, VA - there is a Marriot and a few other hotels there. On the Orange and Blue line one stop across the river from Wash DC North Arlington, VA along the Orange line there are a few hotels near the Ballston stop. Easy metro access into town and a few good restaurants like Mongolian Grill, Memphis BBQ, Vietnamese... Crystal City (Arlington VA near the Airport). This is where the Pentagon crowd lives. Lots of hotels, on the blue line, near the airport, and near some good restaurants and pubs. -B ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup

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RE: Renaissance Hotel full?
by David Lesher 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

Forwarded message: > > Silver Spring is not the best place to stay if you are interested in > any type of food or entertainment. I would strongly suggest Bethesda > or someplace in the city itself. Silver Spring can be a rather "risky" > place at times. I'm not recommending Silver Spring as a replacement for Adams-Morgan.[1] But there are rooms available, it's straightforward to get to, and you can take an awful lot of cabs (if need be...) for the ($270-79) difference in room rates. Bethesda is a far more trendy, and pricy, neighborhood. I guess it depends on if you view the hotel as a place to sleep, or a base of operations. There are lots of places to eat around DC that have Metro access, and are not near hotels. Silver Spring is IMHO no more "risky" than say Rockville. I've no doubt that if you stagger around @ 3AM three sheets to the wind in either place, you can get into trouble. Both are far safer than The Hill after dark. [1] A popular area with a diversity of ethnic restaurants. Woodley Park/Zoo stop on the Red Line, then walk across the bridge or take the shuttle bus. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: Renaissance Hotel full?
by Michael Shields 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

In article <200009212146.RAA26224(a)sigma.nrk.com>, David Lesher <wb8foz(a)nrk.com> wrote: > BWI has weekday MARC-train > service <http://www.mtamaryland.com/> with a free shuttle bus > to same. It is also possible to take Amtrak. However, if routes and pricing permit, flying to DCA will save a significant amount of time and hassle when your destination is downtown. > There's no rational reason to rent a car and risk your sanity > driving. Unless you have other business along 267, this is definitely the case. -- Shields.

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Re: Renaissance Hotel full?
by David Lesher 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

Unnamed Administration sources reported that Robert M. Enger said: > > > You might wish to look at getting rooms in > Bethesda, Md. It is closer-in than Rockville, > and has more restaurants than some western states. > > Silver Spring, Md is not nearly as nice as Bethesda, or even Rockville. > > The Washington subway system RED LINE makes > a giant "U". The line comes down from above Rockville, loops through downtown, > and goes back out past Silver Spring. From either end, you'll be traveling > in the same direction as the "rush". Expect to stand all the way downtown, > and perhaps stand part way out in the evening. All facts I can't disagree with. (Except standing; that's a iffy one.) Silver Spring is NOT as nice; but the hotels I am thinking of are not dives rather Ramada economy flavor, etc. And they are in the <$100 area. Bethesda won't be. Rosslyn is closer, on the other lines. It has Quality Inn's etc. The big issue may be the Metro stops at midnight. Your partying schedule may be curtailed. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: Is there an electrician in the house?
by Sean Donelan 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

On Thu, 21 September 2000, Phil Reese wrote: > By definition, collocation companies need to be paranoid about > everything. However, when I asked them what is the issue with the APC > device they just invoked 'this could cause an overload and potential > fire hazard' as their technical position on why this passive, UL listed, > device isn't allowed. If you look at the APC web page it says Note: The CCPDUs are intended to provide the appropriate quantity and type of outlets. The CCPDU is not intended to add lengths to cable runs other than its inherent 4' cord. Note: The CCPDUs plug directly into the back of Matrix-UPS and should not be used with wall outlets. In general when I see a a solution which violates the explicit written directions of the product manufacturer, I get nervous. Talk to your IBM sales rep about some better alternatives to use with their S80 product line.

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Is there an electrician in the house?
by Phil Reese 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

My company is finishing up the build out of a number of ccTLD DNS and web server data centers in collocation space. We've run into the following issue that I'd be interested in this group's opinion. Our data centers will have a number of Linux servers running on 110v power, no problem there, just plug into the power strips provided. Then we'll have a couple IBM S80 servers and two trays of disks that both require 208v 30amp and an L6 plug. Now the max rated power of all the devices is well within the two 208/30 circuits we've ordered. The difficulty is that the collocation company provides a single L6 receptacle per circuit deployed. We'd planned on putting one S80 server and one tray of disks on each of the two circuits. HOWEVER, each box has its own cord and plug, i.e., two plugs. APC, and I'm sure others, make essentially a 208/30amp outlet strip (http://www.apc.com/products/accessories/wiring_ccpdu.cfm , cost between $185-$200) that we'd planned to use. As we finish up the build out, the collocation company has informed us that the device, such as the APC, are not allowed. Their only suggested solution is to purchase as many circuits as we have plugs to connect. Of course each additional 30 amp circuit will cost us just over $1k/month! All totaled, we'd need an additional 5 circuits between our east and west coast locations, or just over $5k/mo, $60k/yr, versus $1000 one time fee to APC! By definition, collocation companies need to be paranoid about everything. However, when I asked them what is the issue with the APC device they just invoked 'this could cause an overload and potential fire hazard' as their technical position on why this passive, UL listed, device isn't allowed. Can anyone explain their side of the story, citing a bit more technologically based explanation? Phil Reese

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White House Net security summit
by Sean Donelan 22 Sep '00

22 Sep '00

I guess if you snooze you loose. For anyone who didn't know from MSNBC "A group of key high-tech executives agreed at a White House meeting earlier today to move forward on a plan to set minimum security standards for big companies that connect to the Internet, MSNBC.com has learned. The meeting was attended by Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Boeing, the National Security Agency and U.S. Secretary of Commerce Norm Mineta."

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Re: Renaissance Hotel full?
by David Lesher 21 Sep '00

21 Sep '00

I just called the Ramada & the Days Inn, both in Silver Spring, MD. Both have rooms during NANOG in the under $100 range. They are about 7-10 minutes walking from the Silver Spring Metro, and it's about 20 minutes ride to Metro Center. You might take a cab while hauling luggage. I'm sure there are lots of other places if you're willing to brave the Metro. [That's a joke -- unlike oh NYC, the WMATA Metrorail is clean, carpeted, and full of folks of all incomes, unwilling to risk the horrors of DC traffic.] -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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