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RE: Custom Wireless Solution
by Roeland Meyer 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

I dunno ... MS-RADIUS server, under Win2k is a barely documented PITA. I got much easier mileage using PPTP to a DC. That DC isn't doing much else, since it isn't a login domain. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Kristoff [mailto:jtk@depaul.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 6:53 PM > To: nanog(a)merit.edu > Subject: Re: Custom Wireless Solution > > > > Mike Schoenecker wrote: > > if one is prone to be paranoia, using both [1] and [2] > probably makes sense. > > Except that it is currently impractical for many sites since > it requires > an entirely Cisco end-to-end shop including the Cisco (or Microsoft's) > RADIUS server. > > John >

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AOL Terms and Conditions -- Revealed!
by Alan Clegg 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

Several people on this list responded to my prior queries about dealing with AOL and their black-hole "anti-spam" policy. I've been around and around with AOL, and have finally decided that I'm *NOT* going to agree to their 'terms'. With the agreement of my laywer, I've posted the terms to which I was being asked to agree. http://www.mailinglists.org/aol.html Have a nice weekend! AlanC -- Alan Clegg I do UNIX and Networks alan(a)clegg.com I don't have any certification I have experience

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Canada, California - Ice, Earthquakes
by Jayson Mays 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

Isn't there Nuke vs. coal or natural disaster chat this discussion can migrate over to? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Canada - Land of ice and snow (was RE: California power ... unplugged)
by Sean Donelan 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

I recall 3.2 million people losing power, some for over a month, a few years ago in Canada. Canadians were importing and stealing backup generators from the states so fast, Customs Canada still doesn't know how many generators crossed the border. http://members.aol.com/badice98/icestormDiary/icestormtext.html The rotating blackouts in California are annoying, but generally don't last more than 2 hours for any individual customer. If only someone could teach California drivers to stop at a blacked out stoplight. On Sun, 29 April 2001, Randy Neals wrote: > I don't think we are stupid.... > > We are the ones building Internet Data Centers in a > place that has lots of cheap and environmentally friendly > Hydro-Electric power.

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RE: California power ... unplugged.
by Roger Marquis 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

Roeland Meyer <rmeyer(a)mhsc.com> wrote: >The Enviro-Nazis are at it again, demonstrating why no new power plants have >been built here, in the past 15 years. Did you live in SV during the late 70s Roeland? I did and remember its pre-"Enviro-Nazi" smog all too well. Some days you couldn't even see _3_blocks_. I don't suppose the thousands of people who have avoided lung and other cancers because of clean air regulation would rather go back to the way it was to avoid any number of blackouts. Pollution trade-offs aside there's no rational way to blame clean-air regulations for California's power problem. Nor can you blame the states virtually stagnant demand. There is more than enough power and the cost to produce it hasn't changed significantly for decades. What has changed is the market. A) out of state hold-backs forcing spot-market and other prices (though not costs) up mainly thanks to B) Ronald Regan, who dismantled the forward thinking energy policies worked out by Ford and Carter after the (Arab) oil embargo. >Between the enviro-nazis and the no-nukes folks (they *are* different >groups), California has been dead-locked on power plant construction for >almost 20 years. Roeland's diatribe should be the tip-off. "Just build more {power plants, freeways, nuclear, etc.}" will only get us more {acid rain sterilized lakes, urban blight, Chernobyl radiated milk, Mexico City smog, ...}. >This, in a population so brainwashed, it actually >wants to pay more taxes, even when they are already taxed at the 60% level. Brainwashed in Morgan Hill perhaps. Anyhow, I hope this manufactured "crisis" will at least get solar, wind, and co-generation back on track before further Regan/Bush anti-environment, pro-business-monopoly, short-sighted policies make life just that much worse for us and those who will be living here 50 and 100 years from now. -- Roger Marquis Roble Systems Consulting http://www.roble.com/

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Re: Canada - Land of ice and snow (was RE: California power ... unplugged)
by Richard A. Steenbergen 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 08:25:49PM -0700, Sean Donelan wrote: > > I recall 3.2 million people losing power, some for over a month, a few > years ago in Canada. Canadians were importing and stealing backup > generators from the states so fast, Customs Canada still doesn't know > how many generators crossed the border. > > http://members.aol.com/badice98/icestormDiary/icestormtext.html Having been caught in an ice storm in Maryland which killed the power for several days, I have to say they suck. Besides, you can't fault Canada for having worse weather then California. Canada does manage to get a lot of things right, the theory I heard from a canadian friend was that they wait for the US to try something out then find out where they screwed it up. But as for datacenters, I have also heard the theory that canadian customs inspects every packet crossing the border, and that one I tend to believe. :P -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)

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Re: Canada - Land of ice and snow (was RE: California power ... unplugged)
by Richard A. Steenbergen 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, John Fraizer wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Richard A. Steenbergen wrote: > > > find out where they screwed it up. But as for datacenters, I have also > > heard the theory that canadian customs inspects every packet crossing the > > border, and that one I tend to believe. :P > > Well, you know they have to keep Charles in porn... They have just found a > way to hijack the porn of his "subjects" which was cheaper and easier than > keeping track of his credit card bills. ;-) (You don't know how long I've > been waiting to bust on Charles!) Oh, and to clear up any misunderstanding, that was intented as a joke about the cause of poor canadian/us internet connectivity, not canadian privacy policy. Sorry, it's been a long night. :P -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6)

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Re: Canada - Land of ice and snow (was RE: California power ... unplugged) (fwd)
by John Fraizer 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Richard A. Steenbergen wrote: > find out where they screwed it up. But as for datacenters, I have also > heard the theory that canadian customs inspects every packet crossing the > border, and that one I tend to believe. :P > > -- > Richard A Steenbergen <ras(a)e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras > PGP Key ID: 0x138EA177 (67 29 D7 BC E8 18 3E DA B2 46 B3 D8 14 36 FE B6) Well, you know they have to keep Charles in porn... They have just found a way to hijack the porn of his "subjects" which was cheaper and easier than keeping track of his credit card bills. ;-) (You don't know how long I've been waiting to bust on Charles!) --- John Fraizer EnterZone, Inc

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Custom Wireless Solution
by Wojtek Zlobicki 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

I saw this question posed on on the forums at AnandTech.com and would love to see if it is plausible. "Ok, here is the deal. I have a freind that lives about 5.7 miles away from me and almost has a line of sight. He would probably have to put an antenae on his house to get a line of sight to mine. At my house, I have no options for high speed internet access, at all, but at his house, he can get cable. I got to thinking, and I came up with an idea. What if I could get ahold of some wireless networking equipment that I could use to network to his house, then he could get cable, we could split the monthly bill, and I would have cable access at my house. Here is my question: What equipment could I use to do this? I found some stuff on cisco's site, but it costs about $8000. The speed does not have to be supper fast, but I would like to have something at least the speed of ISDN. I want to know what other people have to say abhout this, so shoot. " Is this plausible. Is there any technology out there that uses public spectrum over a 6 mile distance ?

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RE: California power ... unplugged.
by Randy Neals 30 Apr '01

30 Apr '01

I don't think we are stupid.... We are the ones building Internet Data Centers in a place that has lots of cheap and environmentally friendly Hydro-Electric power. We have lots of space left, second largest country by area. It's easier to move photons than electrons. -I.AM.CANADIAN -----Original Message----- From: Mike Leber To: Christian Kuhtz Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Sent: 29/04/2001 6:33 PM Subject: Re: California power ... unplugged. On Sun, 29 Apr 2001, Christian Kuhtz wrote: I find this unlikely since Canada is considering selling power to the western US and they use nuclear. Or they are just stupid?

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