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Hot potato routing
by Walter Green 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Can someone provide basic details on hot potato routing (I am referring to multiple peering interconnections between 2 ISPs) ? Is it implemented by BGP or not ? Regards wg --------------------------------- Scarica il nuovo Yahoo! Messenger: con webcam, nuove faccine e tante altre novità!

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Routers supporting PPPoE + IPIP tunnel
by Cho Man Fai 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Because of the recent shipment problem of Cisco, I am looking seriously for a cisco 827 substitution. What I need is a router which support PPPoE + IPIP tunnel with Ethernet (or DMT) WAN port. Do you have any idea for products other than cisco which support ipip tunnel? I've tried Netopia, however, it doesn't support ipip tunnel. Many thanks! Cho

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Re: Name Server Change-over completed
by George William Herbert 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

>I guess the moon is in phase with some star somewhere, and now it's time to >argue who's root is he "real" root... Barf. Enough already - we all have >our own roots. one guy follows Vixies roots, while I typically roll my >own. Many others do other things. > >The final point of this insanity is that there is NOT a single root. Hasn't >been for a hell of a long time, and I suspect that there never will be again. I have never seen any alternative root that got more than a few percent visibility penetration, other than Kashpureff's "Go Directly To Jail, Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect $200" trick. While some of you may consider it a victory if you and your two friends can see your private TLDs, the inability of the vast bulk of internet users to resolve your TLDs seems to argue that they're not particularly useful. If your customers can't advertise it to Worldcom and AOL and Mindspring and Earthlink customers (as a representative example set), and you intend to be general purpose, and as far as I can tell none of the alternatives have ever been able to, then you're masturbating rather than crafting serious net policy. This mailing list does not exist to discuss experiments in alternative DNS, if you have not figured out how to surmount the combined political and technical barriers required for general purpose use of those alternative TLDs. -george william herbert gherbert(a)retro.com

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Re: Name Server Change-over completed
by Rizzo Frank 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

"John Palmer (NANOG Acct)" wrote: > Sorry Paul, I guess you don't understand how those TLDTAG records > work. Sorry John, I guess you don't understand how Internet naming works. There is one true root file, and it's not yours. Might I suggest re-reading some ORA publications before you go off spouting some more misinformation on here? > Its no joke. The only joke here is your lack of knowledge concerning basic networking concepts like DNS. Frank

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Re: Name Server Change-over completed
by Rizzo Frank 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

ATTENTION ALL INCLUSIVE NAMESPACE ROOT SERVER ZONE MANAGERS! HEAR YE, HEAR YE! This is either a scam or a really bad joke. I can't tell which, but I pity the people who were mislead into reading this mail and acting accordingly. I repeat, there was no Internet-impacting maintenance going down, and there's nothing you need to change on your nameservers. Your nameservers are not broken, there's nothing to fix. Frank Rizzo

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Re: Postmasters Anonymous
by Rizzo Frank 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Sean Donelan wrote: > Sorry for interrupting our quarterly peering debate, but I'd like to > ask if there are any groups for people who are Postmasters (abuse, spam, > dmca, etc) Alcoholics Anonymous. Frank Rizzo

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Name Server Change-over completed
by John Palmer (NANOG Acct) 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

ATTENTION ALL INCLUSIVE NAMESPACE ROOT SERVER ZONE MANAGERS: The gTLD name server cutovers listed below have been completed. Please update your root zones asap. For info, questions, please contact ADNS NOC at info(a)adns.net John Palmer ---- Begin announcement ---- IMPORTANT NOTICE REGARDING THE TLDS: BIZ COM2 ETC ONLINE NGO NOT NPO Effective 00:01 UTC on July 1, 2002, The AtlanticRoot Network Inc, The manager of the above listed TLDs will be moving to a new registry provider, ADNS. Because of this, the gTLD servers for all of the listed TLDs must be changed in all Inclusive Namespace root server networks. The list of NS records for the new gTLD servers are listed below. Please make these changes in your root zone files. NOTE: DO NOT DO SO UNTIL 00:01 UTC on JULY 1, 2002. If you have any questions, please contact John Palmer at info(a)adns.net Thank You. Leah Gallegos President The AtlanticRoot Network, Inc. --- BEGIN NS RECORDS --- $ORIGIN . BIZ IN NS NS1.ADNS.NET. BIZ IN NS NS2.ADNS.NET. $ORIGIN . COM2 IN NS NS1.ADNS.NET. COM2 IN NS NS2.ADNS.NET. $ORIGIN . ETC. IN NS NS1.ADNS.NET. ETC. IN NS NS2.ADNS.NET. $ORIGIN . ONLINE. IN NS NS1.ADNS.NET. ONLINE. IN NS NS2.ADNS.NET. $ORIGIN . NGO. IN NS NS1.ADNS.NET. NGO. IN NS NS2.ADNS.NET. $ORIGIN . NOT. IN NS NS1.ADNS.NET. NOT. IN NS NS2.ADNS.NET. $ORIGIN . NPO. IN NS NS1.ADNS.NET. NPO. IN NS NS2.ADNS.NET. $ORIGIN ADNS.NET. NS1 IN A 199.5.157.2 NS2 IN A 199.5.157.3 --- END OF NS RECORDS --- For those of you who add the ORSC style TLDTAGS to your root zone, add these for EACH of the TLDs listed above IN TXT "<tldtag field='tel' value='+1 (312) 560-3934'>" IN TXT "<tldtag field='url' value='http://www.biztld.net'>" IN TXT "<tldtag field='whois' value='inrs.adns.net/whois.php'>" IN TXT "<tldtag field='org' value='AtlanticRoot Network Inc.'>" IN TXT "<tldtag field='poc' value='Leah Gallegos'>" IN TXT "<tldtag field='email' value='info(a)adns.net>" ----- AGN Domain Name Services, Inc http://www.adns.net Since 1995. The Registry for .AMERICA, .EARTH, .LION, .USA and .Z Define yourself or Be Defined. Censorship-free GA list at : http://dns-o.org/mailman/listinfo/ga

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Re: Vixie puts his finger squarely on the key issue Re: Sprintpeering policy
by kookreport＠hushmail.com 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Gordon what did I tell you about posting to NANOG? Shouldn't you be busy uncovering ICANN conspiracies and interviewing Bill St. Arnaud for the 50th time? Can we look forward to a summary of this thread in your next report? Gordon Cook wrote: > Where is it possible to gain any reliable data on which networks are > lit with what equipment and offering how many actual lambdas? Or You friendly carrier sales rep? > even how many fibers in a given back bone are actually lit? We know Who cares. Rest assured Gordon, when it is profitable to light them they'll be lit. > there is huge unused capacity, yet because there are no reporting > requirements as to what networks are lit to what capacity, we very > likely don't know whether the fiber in the ground is being used to > one per cent of its potential or 10% or even 20%. Moreover we do not It's being used to 3.14159% of its capacity, but the photon acceleration effects of GMPLS have yet to be fully realised. You can quote me on it. > know the extent to which optical bandwidth is growing? Not knowing > this, how can anyone make any intelligent economic or policy or > investment decisions? The LECs must tell the FCC numbers of lines in Pop the stack Gordon. How can anyone make intelligent investment decisions when earnings reports are outright lies? Until that's straightened out counting the number of lit fibres is like counting the number of empty cages in an Exodus data centre. > use and numbers of access minutes. The IP industry must tell the FCC > essentially nothing. Why shoud such policy continue? What does this have to do with layer 3 peering? - Gordon "I wish I was George Gilder" Kook Communicate in total privacy. Get your free encrypted email at https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Looking for a good deal on a domain name? http://www.hush.com/partners/offers.cgi?id=domainpeople

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Postmasters Anonymous
by Sean Donelan 30 Jun '02

30 Jun '02

Sorry for interrupting our quarterly peering debate, but I'd like to ask if there are any groups for people who are Postmasters (abuse, spam, dmca, etc)? I know there are many groups for people who want to complain about those subjects, but I was wondering if there are groups for people who have to handle the complaints.

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Paix-NY and NYIIX -- link stil going to happen?
by Phil Rosenthal 30 Jun '02

30 Jun '02

Anyone know if the link-up is still going to happen? I've heard from a few people that given the financial issues at MFN, this is highly unlikely to still happen. Anyone know any different? Paul? --Phil

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