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Re: IPv4 Exhaustion...
by khatfield＠socllc.net 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

Hello, From our past experience this can be accomplished without issue as long as you have good log records and tracking in place. Ensure you have long-term retention for the logs to cover yourself. Many ISP's are moving to this sort of environment simply due to the reasoning stated. -Kevin ------Original Message------ From: Positively Optimistic To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: IPv4 Exhaustion... Sent: Jul 23, 2010 12:11 PM How do ISPs handle RIAA notices when NATTING customers.. ? We have several customers that don't require public address space that could be moved to private.. We're reluctant to make the move due to legal liabilities..

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IPv4 Exhaustion...
by Positively Optimistic 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

How do ISPs handle RIAA notices when NATTING customers.. ? We have several customers that don't require public address space that could be moved to private.. We're reluctant to make the move due to legal liabilities..

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Who controlls the Internet?
by Tarig Yassin 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

Deal all I want to show you some obstacles that some countries face them every day. For example when users from Sudan trying to access some web site they will get a *Forbidden Access Error* message. And some messages say: you are forbidden to access this web site because your IP address appears form country black listed due to USA government policy. I would like to issue a question here, who controls this Internet? ThanksTarig _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

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3com switching geeks?
by Michael 'Moose' Dinn 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

Any 3com switching geeks out there? Contact me offlist if you don't mind a question or two. thanks

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Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course
by Brandon Butterworth 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

>> Eventually ARIN (or someone else will do it for them) may create a site ... > Did you mean something like this maybe ?: > > http://www.sixxs.net/tools/grh/ula/ Q.E.D. The RFC seeks to avoid a registry so we end up with the potential for many as a result. May as well have had ARIN do it officially in the first place so there'd only be one. brandon

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ho controlls the Internet?
by Robert West 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

I thought it was Kim Jong-il. At least that was what was on the memo............. Bob- -----Original Message----- From: andrew.wallace [mailto:andrew.wallace@rocketmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:58 PM To: tariq198487(a)hotmail.com Cc: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Re: Who controlls the Internet? On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Tarig Yassin <tariq198487(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I would like to issue a question here, who controls this Internet? The truth to your question is, anybody who wants to. Hackers, activists, governments, terrorists all have the ability to control it. But probably not all at the same time. With the increase in irresponsible security disclosures by folks such as Tavis Ormandy, power and control is very much being handed to "the people". I have been campaigning for a while to get tighter laws introduced on irresponsible security disclosures, to give the government more control over the internet. Andrew Wallace

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Re: Who controlls the Internet?
by Robert Bonomi 26 Jul '10

26 Jul '10

> From: Tarig Yassin <tariq198487(a)hotmail.com> > To: nanog <nanog(a)nanog.org> > Subject: Who controlls the Internet? > Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:24:27 +0300 > > > Deal all > > I want to show you some obstacles that some countries face them every day. > > For example when users from Sudan trying to access some web site they will > get a *Forbidden Access Error* message. > > And some messages say: you are forbidden to access this web site because > your IP address appears form country black listed due to USA government > p= > y. > I would like to issue a question here, who controls this Internet? "Fluffy owns USENET", as everybody knows, and her big mean brother owns the Internet. I could tell you his name, but then I'd have to kill you. Whether you like it or not, the government of a country where a server is located, and/or where the service operator is located, *CAN* dictate terms to that server or service operator. There are _no_ 'uniform' international rules, or guarantees of aceess. Be thankful you're not in China, where attempts to access 'forbidden' sites can bring the secret police knocking. Or some of the Middle East Countries, where *everything* going out-of- country goes through government-owned/-operated censorship boxes. The answer to your question -- "as asked" -- is "everybody, and NOBODY". Any government entity can enact laws concerning what people _within_ _their_jurisdiction_ can do over the Internet, just as they can regulate any other aspcet of 'life'. OTOH, there's no international authority you have to go to, to get a 'license' to get on the Internet and use it. except to whatever extent it is controlled by local government, you can set up services, buy connectivity from whomever you want, and -do- whatever you want, regardless of whether or not such activities make you a 'good net neighbor' or a 'bad' one. As for your particular 'problem', some countries have intternational reputations for being 'bad neighbors'. Things like financing known terrorist organizations, providing various facilities and training capabilities, etc. Countries that do things like this -- or more properly _allow_ things like this to go on within their jurisdiction, run the risk of being cast as 'beyond the pale' by those countries that frown on such things. In which case, any resources that _might_ help those 'bad guys' with ther malevolent efforts are denied to _anyone_ from that country. If you don't like being in that classification, take it up with *your* government. Good Luck.

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RE: Who controlls the Internet?
by Tarig Yassin 25 Jul '10

25 Jul '10

And why not the ICCAN take this reponsibity as an International organization not USA government? From: tariq198487(a)hotmail.com To: nanog(a)nanog.org Subject: Who controlls the Internet? Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:24:27 +0300 Deal all I want to show you some obstacles that some countries face them every day. For example when users from Sudan trying to access some web site they will get a *Forbidden Access Error* message. And some messages say: you are forbidden to access this web site because your IP address appears form country black listed due to USA government policy. I would like to issue a question here, who controls this Internet? Thanks Tarig Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _________________________________________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

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Fwd: Re: North Korea conflict with US and South Korea could spark cyber war
by Andrew Kirch 25 Jul '10

25 Jul '10

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: North Korea conflict with US and South Korea could spark cyber war Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:04:23 -0700 (PDT) From: andrew.wallace <andrew.wallace(a)rocketmail.com> To: Andrew Kirch <trelane(a)trelane.net> Continue to call me a troll in public and I'll be seeking legal advice. ----- Original Message ---- From: Andrew Kirch<trelane(a)trelane.net> To: nanog(a)nanog.org Sent: Sun, 25 July, 2010 0:46:28 Subject: Re: North Korea conflict with US and South Korea could spark cyber war That is because n3td3v is a troll. Please do not feed, thx. Andrew QED.

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Re: Addressing plan exercise for our IPv6 course
by Brandon Butterworth 25 Jul '10

25 Jul '10

> > Such a site would be the seed for when (if) we come up with the tech > > for everyone to have PI and lose all the restrictions imposed so far. > > Oh, we have the technology. It's called "memory" If that were viable then we'd be doing it. > Speaking from the perspective of a vendor, I'll happily sell it to you. > > Don't complain to me about the size of the route table, don't complain to me about heat or power requirements, and don't complain to me about convergence intervals. I'll tell you that you designed the bed you wanted to sleep in, and it was all yours. > Indeed, best not listen to vendors brandon

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