Google Speed Test
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive. ----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
Search "speed test" and Google search had one built in On Wed, 28 Dec 2022, 16:43 Mike Hammett, <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
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Hello, On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 at 17:41, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Does AS15169 have a speed test?
Stadia speedtest is still up today: https://stadia.google.com/speedtest Lukas
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 12:50 PM Lukas Tribus <lukas@ltri.eu> wrote:
Hello,
On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 at 17:41, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Does AS15169 have a speed test?
Stadia speedtest is still up today:
"Google partners with Measurement Lab (M-Lab) to run this speed test. Running this test could transfer over 40 MB of data, depending on your connection speed. Mobile data charges could apply." that's not guaranteed to be 15169, fwiw.
Lukas
None of them are accurate. The one from a Google search gave me around 280Mbps, the stadia gave me 39Mbps, and Ookla gave me close to 500Mbps.. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, 12:51 Lukas Tribus <lukas@ltri.eu> wrote:
Hello,
On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 at 17:41, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Does AS15169 have a speed test?
Stadia speedtest is still up today:
https://stadia.google.com/speedtest
Lukas
Once upon a time, Robert Webb <rwfireguru@gmail.com> said:
None of them are accurate. The one from a Google search gave me around 280Mbps, the stadia gave me 39Mbps, and Ookla gave me close to 500Mbps..
Browser-based speed testing is a crapshoot for anything above about 100M... Ookla has a native client for just about every client OS that tends to be much more accurate. -- Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net>
Those are all M-Lab tests - Stadia and google search results. They're not always certainly through Google's network (I would have to imagine they're typically not). On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 1:17 PM Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net> wrote:
Once upon a time, Robert Webb <rwfireguru@gmail.com> said:
None of them are accurate. The one from a Google search gave me around 280Mbps, the stadia gave me 39Mbps, and Ookla gave me close to 500Mbps..
Browser-based speed testing is a crapshoot for anything above about 100M... Ookla has a native client for just about every client OS that tends to be much more accurate.
-- Chris Adams <cma@cmadams.net>
"Accurate" is relative. Speed from location A to location B is what's being measured and why I care about finding the correct location B. ----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] From: "Robert Webb" <rwfireguru@gmail.com> To: "Lukas Tribus" <lukas@ltri.eu> Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 12:02:52 PM Subject: Re: Google Speed Test None of them are accurate. The one from a Google search gave me around 280Mbps, the stadia gave me 39Mbps, and Ookla gave me close to 500Mbps.. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, 12:51 Lukas Tribus < [ mailto:lukas@ltri.eu | lukas@ltri.eu ] > wrote: Hello, On Wed, 28 Dec 2022 at 17:41, Mike Hammett < [ mailto:nanog@ics-il.net | nanog@ics-il.net ] > wrote:
Does AS15169 have a speed test?
Stadia speedtest is still up today: [ https://stadia.google.com/speedtest | https://stadia.google.com/speedtest ] Lukas
I have recollection of something like embeded quality testing on youtube. I don't remember if it was a speed test or a latency/jitter test. I looked quickly to see if I could find it... But I couldn't find it. Em qua., 28 de dez. de 2022 às 13:43, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> escreveu:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
-- Douglas Fernando Fischer Engº de Controle e Automação
They axed all that years ago, it was here: https://www.google.com/get/videoqualityreport On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 2:43 PM Douglas Fischer <fischerdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
I have recollection of something like embeded quality testing on youtube. I don't remember if it was a speed test or a latency/jitter test.
I looked quickly to see if I could find it... But I couldn't find it.
Em qua., 28 de dez. de 2022 às 13:43, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> escreveu:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
-- Douglas Fernando Fischer Engº de Controle e Automação
Waveform leverages cloud flare's CDN. I have a worldwide fleet of iperf, netperf, flent and irtt servers folk are welcome to use, as I don't trust the web best tests.... On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, 11:44 AM Douglas Fischer <fischerdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
I have recollection of something like embeded quality testing on youtube. I don't remember if it was a speed test or a latency/jitter test.
I looked quickly to see if I could find it... But I couldn't find it.
Em qua., 28 de dez. de 2022 às 13:43, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> escreveu:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
-- Douglas Fernando Fischer Engº de Controle e Automação
https://www.speedtest.cloud are also GCP endpoints. Adam On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 4:55 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
Waveform leverages cloud flare's CDN.
I have a worldwide fleet of iperf, netperf, flent and irtt servers folk are welcome to use, as I don't trust the web best tests....
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, 11:44 AM Douglas Fischer <fischerdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
I have recollection of something like embeded quality testing on youtube. I don't remember if it was a speed test or a latency/jitter test.
I looked quickly to see if I could find it... But I couldn't find it.
Em qua., 28 de dez. de 2022 às 13:43, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> escreveu:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
-- Douglas Fernando Fischer Engº de Controle e Automação
All of those links time out for me (at speedtest.cloud). On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:06 AM Adam Blackington <ablackington@lionlink.net> wrote:
https://www.speedtest.cloud are also GCP endpoints.
Adam
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 4:55 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
Waveform leverages cloud flare's CDN.
I have a worldwide fleet of iperf, netperf, flent and irtt servers folk are welcome to use, as I don't trust the web best tests....
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, 11:44 AM Douglas Fischer <fischerdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
I have recollection of something like embeded quality testing on youtube. I don't remember if it was a speed test or a latency/jitter test.
I looked quickly to see if I could find it... But I couldn't find it.
Em qua., 28 de dez. de 2022 às 13:43, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> escreveu:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
-- Douglas Fernando Fischer Engº de Controle e Automação
same here Josh. . . *Glenn S. Kelley, *I am a Connectivity.Engineer Text and Voice Direct: 740-206-9624 a Division of CreatingNet.Works <https://creatingnet.works/> IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify Glenn Kelley, the sender, immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:47 AM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
All of those links time out for me (at speedtest.cloud).
On Thu, Dec 29, 2022 at 11:06 AM Adam Blackington < ablackington@lionlink.net> wrote:
https://www.speedtest.cloud are also GCP endpoints.
Adam
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 4:55 PM Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
Waveform leverages cloud flare's CDN.
I have a worldwide fleet of iperf, netperf, flent and irtt servers folk are welcome to use, as I don't trust the web best tests....
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022, 11:44 AM Douglas Fischer <fischerdouglas@gmail.com> wrote:
I have recollection of something like embeded quality testing on youtube. I don't remember if it was a speed test or a latency/jitter test.
I looked quickly to see if I could find it... But I couldn't find it.
Em qua., 28 de dez. de 2022 às 13:43, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> escreveu:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
-- Douglas Fernando Fischer Engº de Controle e Automação
Searching Google for speed test presents a speedtest that runs on MLab, which doesn't necessarily run on Google's network. https://www.measurementlab.net/status/ ----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> To: "North American Network Operators' Group" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 10:41:23 AM Subject: Google Speed Test Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive. ----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
No only that - NDT is not even an actual speed test*. That it continues to show as the top sponsored result for "speed test" searches is a real shame. Jason * It does not test the aggregate throughput of a connection, merely what one TCP connection can achieve. It is actually a diagnostic tool for network issues, not a speed test tool. There are many academic papers on this point. 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It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. 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Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do.
15169 has enough capacity to external networks that a speed test from a random 'layperson' is never going to give you any meaningful information. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 11:42 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
Are you saying that congestion doesn't exist? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Beecher" <beecher@beecher.cc> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 8:50:35 AM Subject: Re: Google Speed Test Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. 15169 has enough capacity to external networks that a speed test from a random 'layperson' is never going to give you any meaningful information. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 11:42 AM Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: <blockquote> Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive. ----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] </blockquote>
Are you saying that congestion doesn't exist?
Not sure how you took that from what I said. No, I am not. I am saying your request for a 'layperson' to run a speed test doesn't seem particularly useful to identify that anyways. It's not a first order tool. What is the problem you are trying to solve for? On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 9:55 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Are you saying that congestion doesn't exist?
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *"Tom Beecher" <beecher@beecher.cc> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> *Cc: *"NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 3, 2023 8:50:35 AM *Subject: *Re: Google Speed Test
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to
a particular network that's something laypeople could do.
15169 has enough capacity to external networks that a speed test from a random 'layperson' is never going to give you any meaningful information.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 11:42 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ]
Is there enough available capacity for {insert whatever the customer is trying to do here}. Can they run 4 YouTubeTV streams or can they run 20? Can they download a file at 5 megabits/s or 15 gigabits/s? There's not a problem to be solved, but information of a variety of types to be gleaned for a variety of purposes. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Beecher" <beecher@beecher.cc> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 9:07:57 AM Subject: Re: Google Speed Test Are you saying that congestion doesn't exist? Not sure how you took that from what I said. No, I am not. I am saying your request for a 'layperson' to run a speed test doesn't seem particularly useful to identify that anyways. It's not a first order tool. What is the problem you are trying to solve for? On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 9:55 AM Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: <blockquote> Are you saying that congestion doesn't exist? ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Tom Beecher" < beecher@beecher.cc > To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > Cc: "NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 8:50:35 AM Subject: Re: Google Speed Test <blockquote> Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. </blockquote> 15169 has enough capacity to external networks that a speed test from a random 'layperson' is never going to give you any meaningful information. On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 11:42 AM Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: <blockquote> Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive. ----- Mike Hammett [ http://www.ics-il.com/ | Intelligent Computing Solutions ] [ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL ] [ https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] [ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] [ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] [ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] [ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] </blockquote> </blockquote>
On Tue, Jan 03, 2023 at 09:31:27AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
Is there enough available capacity for {insert whatever the customer is trying to do here}.
Can they run 4 YouTubeTV streams or can they run 20? Can they download a file at 5 megabits/s or 15 gigabits/s?
There's not a problem to be solved, but information of a variety of types to be gleaned for a variety of purposes.
Most SLAs only cover on-net services, I recommend having a good on-net server for testing purposes and knowing your immediate upstream and peer upstreams test points. I do recommend that most carriers have an iperf3/iperf2 test point. You may find your carriers have one as well, even if it's not listed in their support pages. I've found this useful when you suspect some problem, including a link hashing problem that only impacts a few flows. - jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
SLAs are irrelevant to customer perception, only to bean counters. Few to no residential-class services have an SLA whatsoever, yet they'll be the most demanding at any perceived slight. Stand by your SLA all you want, but if a customer's expectations (realistic or not) aren't met, they'll not only leave, but they'll tell everyone else how terrible you are.
From a sales perspective, if you can demonstrate that a competitor network cannot do something and that you can with tooling a layperson understands and trusts, you've made big progress.
I've visited friends and employees homes and found that while plugged in, a streaming service could not send a single stream at full resolution without buffering. It would be nice to show numbers (not just a feeling) that the other service could only deliver X megabit, while your service could deliver Y megabit. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "Tom Beecher" <beecher@beecher.cc>, "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 9:46:16 AM Subject: Re: Google Speed Test On Tue, Jan 03, 2023 at 09:31:27AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
Is there enough available capacity for {insert whatever the customer is trying to do here}.
Can they run 4 YouTubeTV streams or can they run 20? Can they download a file at 5 megabits/s or 15 gigabits/s?
There's not a problem to be solved, but information of a variety of types to be gleaned for a variety of purposes.
Most SLAs only cover on-net services, I recommend having a good on-net server for testing purposes and knowing your immediate upstream and peer upstreams test points. I do recommend that most carriers have an iperf3/iperf2 test point. You may find your carriers have one as well, even if it's not listed in their support pages. I've found this useful when you suspect some problem, including a link hashing problem that only impacts a few flows. - jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
Totally see your perspective. I'd say that's pretty unique to your space though, given the majority of (domestic) fixed broadband customers don't have that choice. But completely understand what you are saying. On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:05 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
SLAs are irrelevant to customer perception, only to bean counters.
Few to no residential-class services have an SLA whatsoever, yet they'll be the most demanding at any perceived slight.
Stand by your SLA all you want, but if a customer's expectations (realistic or not) aren't met, they'll not only leave, but they'll tell everyone else how terrible you are.
From a sales perspective, if you can demonstrate that a competitor network cannot do something and that you can with tooling a layperson understands and trusts, you've made big progress.
I've visited friends and employees homes and found that while plugged in, a streaming service could not send a single stream at full resolution without buffering. It would be nice to show numbers (not just a feeling) that the other service could only deliver X megabit, while your service could deliver Y megabit.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ------------------------------ *From: *"Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net> *To: *"Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> *Cc: *"Tom Beecher" <beecher@beecher.cc>, "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 3, 2023 9:46:16 AM *Subject: *Re: Google Speed Test
Is there enough available capacity for {insert whatever the customer is
On Tue, Jan 03, 2023 at 09:31:27AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: trying to do here}.
Can they run 4 YouTubeTV streams or can they run 20? Can they download a file at 5 megabits/s or 15 gigabits/s?
There's not a problem to be solved, but information of a variety of
types to be gleaned for a variety of purposes.
Most SLAs only cover on-net services, I recommend having a good on-net server for testing purposes and knowing your immediate upstream and peer upstreams test points. I do recommend that most carriers have an iperf3/iperf2 test point. You may find your carriers have one as well, even if it's not listed in their support pages.
I've found this useful when you suspect some problem, including a link hashing problem that only impacts a few flows.
- jared
-- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
I think this is why Netflix came out with fast.com, but AFAIK, they're the only ones that have their own tool using their own infrastructure. Speedtest.net came out with a test that simulates video streaming and gives a bit more information than a feeling, but it can only go so far, given that it isn't on the actual networks people are concerned with. Also, this doesn't just apply to residential accounts, but really anyone without a strong enough IT department to have their own test points to test to. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Beecher" <beecher@beecher.cc> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "Jared Mauch" <jared@puck.nether.net>, "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 10:17:24 AM Subject: Re: Google Speed Test Totally see your perspective. I'd say that's pretty unique to your space though, given the majority of (domestic) fixed broadband customers don't have that choice. But completely understand what you are saying. On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 11:05 AM Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: SLAs are irrelevant to customer perception, only to bean counters. Few to no residential-class services have an SLA whatsoever, yet they'll be the most demanding at any perceived slight. Stand by your SLA all you want, but if a customer's expectations (realistic or not) aren't met, they'll not only leave, but they'll tell everyone else how terrible you are.
From a sales perspective, if you can demonstrate that a competitor network cannot do something and that you can with tooling a layperson understands and trusts, you've made big progress.
I've visited friends and employees homes and found that while plugged in, a streaming service could not send a single stream at full resolution without buffering. It would be nice to show numbers (not just a feeling) that the other service could only deliver X megabit, while your service could deliver Y megabit. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Jared Mauch" < jared@puck.nether.net > To: "Mike Hammett" < nanog@ics-il.net > Cc: "Tom Beecher" < beecher@beecher.cc >, "NANOG" < nanog@nanog.org > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2023 9:46:16 AM Subject: Re: Google Speed Test On Tue, Jan 03, 2023 at 09:31:27AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote:
Is there enough available capacity for {insert whatever the customer is trying to do here}.
Can they run 4 YouTubeTV streams or can they run 20? Can they download a file at 5 megabits/s or 15 gigabits/s?
There's not a problem to be solved, but information of a variety of types to be gleaned for a variety of purposes.
Most SLAs only cover on-net services, I recommend having a good on-net server for testing purposes and knowing your immediate upstream and peer upstreams test points. I do recommend that most carriers have an iperf3/iperf2 test point. You may find your carriers have one as well, even if it's not listed in their support pages. I've found this useful when you suspect some problem, including a link hashing problem that only impacts a few flows. - jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
On Jan 3, 2023, at 08:24, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
I think this is why Netflix came out with fast.com <http://fast.com/>, but AFAIK, they're the only ones that have their own tool using their own infrastructure.
macOS have a built-in “networkQuality” command line tool (`man networkQuality` or https://support.apple.com/kb/HT212313 ). (iOS and iPadOS have a similar tool if a “WiFi Performance Diagnostics” profile has been installed). See also https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness/ $ networkQuality ==== SUMMARY ==== Uplink capacity: 1.029 Gbps Downlink capacity: 2.132 Gbps Uplink Responsiveness: High (7199 RPM) Downlink Responsiveness: Medium (450 RPM) Idle Latency: 12.042 milliseconds Ask
Cloudflare has https://speed.cloudflare.com and Apple has http://test.edge.apple/debug/ too. The Cloudflare speed test usually gives lesser results vs. Ookla while Apple's test URL is only useful to test on which cluster an end-customer ends up. I'll take notes about the "networkQuality" command! Eric On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 2:57 PM Ask Bjørn Hansen <ask@develooper.com> wrote:
On Jan 3, 2023, at 08:24, Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
I think this is why Netflix came out with fast.com, but AFAIK, they're the only ones that have their own tool using their own infrastructure.
macOS have a built-in “networkQuality” command line tool (`man networkQuality` or https://support.apple.com/kb/HT212313 ). (iOS and iPadOS have a similar tool if a “WiFi Performance Diagnostics” profile has been installed).
See also https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ippm-responsiveness/
$ networkQuality ==== SUMMARY ==== Uplink capacity: 1.029 Gbps Downlink capacity: 2.132 Gbps Uplink Responsiveness: High (7199 RPM) Downlink Responsiveness: Medium (450 RPM) Idle Latency: 12.042 milliseconds
Ask
I maintain a fleet of 15 "flent" servers across the globe, leveraging irtt, iperf, netperf, and a few other tools. I do not have the resources to publish them widely (flent.org's tools are by design, intended more for folk to quickly spin up a server and client for internal tests, because most of the results are very embarrassing for the ISPs and vendors). They are widely available for linux and osx, as part of their package repositories, with packages for openwrt as well. My favorite tests in that suite are the rrul, rrul_be, "squarewave" and tcp_nup tests, which are still the only few that sample tcp_info enough to get cwnd and rtt statistics directly from the streams. waveform's speedtest leverages cloudflare's cdn. The new speedtest.net apps test for the presence of "FQ" more than bufferbloat, but also come in command line versions.
Ok. But to the layperson, that is still not a meaningful test of Google's capacity. Say I'm a 'layperson' residential customer of an ISP with 1G service. I run this speedtest, and I only get 500M to Google. 1. That may still be plenty of capacity for what the user WANTS to do, but they're a layperson. They don't know that. 2. The reason the test peaked at 500M may have nothing to do with Google's capacity. The ISP may have a bottleneck in their network. Perhaps said ISP reaches Google via transit, and that upstream has a capacity issue somewhere. As Jared said, having strategically placed iperf endpoints for knowledgeable folks to investigate possible capacity issues is nice to have, but a ASN specific speedtest for end user diagnosis seems pretty pointless. (Unless the goal is to direct support tickets to that specific ASN instead of yourself. :) ) On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 10:31 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Is there enough available capacity for {insert whatever the customer is trying to do here}.
Can they run 4 YouTubeTV streams or can they run 20? Can they download a file at 5 megabits/s or 15 gigabits/s?
There's not a problem to be solved, but information of a variety of types to be gleaned for a variety of purposes.
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Are you saying that congestion doesn't exist?
Not sure how you took that from what I said. No, I am not.
I am saying your request for a 'layperson' to run a speed test doesn't seem particularly useful to identify that anyways. It's not a first order tool.
What is the problem you are trying to solve for?
On Tue, Jan 3, 2023 at 9:55 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Are you saying that congestion doesn't exist?
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Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to
a particular network that's something laypeople could do.
15169 has enough capacity to external networks that a speed test from a random 'layperson' is never going to give you any meaningful information.
On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 11:42 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Does AS15169 have a speed test? It would be nice to gauge the capacity to a particular network that's something laypeople could do. I could host something in GCP myself, but cloud is expensive.
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