OT - Verizon/ATT Cell/4G Signal Booster/Repeater
Hi all; Looking to improve cell reception for mixed ATT/Verizon users on the first floor of one of our buildings. Starting to dig into this and coming across items like this one at Amazon[1], but thought some of you out there might have recommendations for something that has worked well for you and has been reliable. Am in a position to run cable from the roof to the floor in question. Thanks, Ray [1] http://www.amazon.com/Wilson-Electronics-Indoor-Cellular-Booster/dp/B00IWW9AB8/ref=lp_2407782011_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1418671553&sr=1-1
Call Wilson. Explain what you want you do. They'll give you a product number. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 15, 2014 9:46 PM, "Ray Van Dolson" <rvandolson@esri.com> wrote:
Hi all;
Looking to improve cell reception for mixed ATT/Verizon users on the first floor of one of our buildings.
Starting to dig into this and coming across items like this one at Amazon[1], but thought some of you out there might have recommendations for something that has worked well for you and has been reliable.
Am in a position to run cable from the roof to the floor in question.
Thanks, Ray
In article <20141216024552.GA26200@esri.com> you write:
Hi all;
Looking to improve cell reception for mixed ATT/Verizon users on the first floor of one of our buildings.
Starting to dig into this and coming across items like this one at Amazon[1], but thought some of you out there might have recommendations for something that has worked well for you and has been reliable.
The Wilson equipment has a good reputation. Assuming you have good Internet service, you might also consider femtocells, which are small cellular base stations that use your Internet service as backhaul. Verizon: http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-network-extender-scs-2u01... AT&T: http://www.att.com/att/microcell/ R's, John
Hi, Although this might not apply to you in the US, anyone else thinking about trying this might want to check up on possible legal backlash from using one of these devices. I know you can't legally use one of these in Dubai. Ammar
On 16 Dec 2014, at 6:54 am, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
In article <20141216024552.GA26200@esri.com> you write:
Hi all;
Looking to improve cell reception for mixed ATT/Verizon users on the first floor of one of our buildings.
Starting to dig into this and coming across items like this one at Amazon[1], but thought some of you out there might have recommendations for something that has worked well for you and has been reliable.
The Wilson equipment has a good reputation.
Assuming you have good Internet service, you might also consider femtocells, which are small cellular base stations that use your Internet service as backhaul.
Verizon: http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-network-extender-scs-2u01...
AT&T: http://www.att.com/att/microcell/
R's, John
http://wireless.fcc.gov/signal-boosters/faq.html Matthew Kaufman (Sent from my iPhone)
On Dec 15, 2014, at 6:59 PM, Ammar Zuberi <ammar@fastreturn.net> wrote:
Hi,
Although this might not apply to you in the US, anyone else thinking about trying this might want to check up on possible legal backlash from using one of these devices. I know you can't legally use one of these in Dubai.
Ammar
On 16 Dec 2014, at 6:54 am, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
In article <20141216024552.GA26200@esri.com> you write:
Hi all;
Looking to improve cell reception for mixed ATT/Verizon users on the first floor of one of our buildings.
Starting to dig into this and coming across items like this one at Amazon[1], but thought some of you out there might have recommendations for something that has worked well for you and has been reliable.
The Wilson equipment has a good reputation.
Assuming you have good Internet service, you might also consider femtocells, which are small cellular base stations that use your Internet service as backhaul.
Verizon: http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-network-extender-scs-2u01...
AT&T: http://www.att.com/att/microcell/
R's, John
Although this might not apply to you in the US, anyone else thinking about trying this might want to check up on possible legal backlash from using one of these devices. I know you can't legally use one of these in Dubai.
These are sold by the carriers and are completely legal here.
On 16 Dec 2014, at 6:54 am, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
In article <20141216024552.GA26200@esri.com> you write:
Hi all;
Looking to improve cell reception for mixed ATT/Verizon users on the first floor of one of our buildings.
Starting to dig into this and coming across items like this one at Amazon[1], but thought some of you out there might have recommendations for something that has worked well for you and has been reliable.
The Wilson equipment has a good reputation.
Assuming you have good Internet service, you might also consider femtocells, which are small cellular base stations that use your Internet service as backhaul.
Verizon: http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-network-extender-scs-2u01...
AT&T: http://www.att.com/att/microcell/
R's, John
On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Ammar Zuberi <ammar@fastreturn.net> wrote:
Although this might not apply to you in the US, anyone else thinking about trying this might want to check up on possible legal backlash from using one of these devices. I know you can't legally use one of these in Dubai.
They’re legal in the US as long as they’re registered with the carrier and meet the new regulations for intelligent cellular repeaters. There were some new laws regarding these repeaters that went into effect earlier this year, I think around April. A Cel-Fi repeater that I used to own did a nifty thing by scanning for and amplifying only the signals belonging to the carrier the repeater was programmed for rather than doing a full band repeat of everyone. I got rid of the Cel-Fi when I upgraded to the iPhone 5S which has WiFi calling available on it. It works quite well and no need for the repeater any more. Best, Ryan Wilkins
Wilson is the way to go. They have a couple of products not on their website that only certified installers can sell that are even higher powered. Works with all 4 4G carriers at once. On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Ryan Wilkins <ryan@deadfrog.net> wrote:
On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Ammar Zuberi <ammar@fastreturn.net> wrote:
Although this might not apply to you in the US, anyone else thinking about trying this might want to check up on possible legal backlash from using one of these devices. I know you can't legally use one of these in Dubai.
They’re legal in the US as long as they’re registered with the carrier and meet the new regulations for intelligent cellular repeaters. There were some new laws regarding these repeaters that went into effect earlier this year, I think around April.
A Cel-Fi repeater that I used to own did a nifty thing by scanning for and amplifying only the signals belonging to the carrier the repeater was programmed for rather than doing a full band repeat of everyone. I got rid of the Cel-Fi when I upgraded to the iPhone 5S which has WiFi calling available on it. It works quite well and no need for the repeater any more.
Best, Ryan Wilkins
These work well, I have an ATT in my house. However, in a broad deployment (like in a datacenter with lots of discreet visitors) it is pointless, because ATT requires registration of any phone connected and it is limited to 10. I just with Wifi calling was ubiquitous.
Assuming you have good Internet service, you might also consider femtocells, which are small cellular base stations that use your Internet service as backhaul.
Verizon: http://www.verizonwireless.com/accessories/samsung-network- extender-scs-2u01/
Definitely not. My Droid Maxx on VZW does not do Wifi calling. I have yet to see Wifi calls (excluding SIP clients and such) on any phone around here. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Christopher Morrow < morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net> wrote:
I just with Wifi calling was ubiquitous.
isn't it in every android phone since ~1yr ago?
Hangouts Dialer gets you VOIP calls, whether WiFi or Cellular data is in use ... albeit from your GVoice#, not native/telco number. /TJ On Tue Dec 16 2014 at 12:55:49 PM John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
I just with Wifi calling was ubiquitous.
isn't it in every android phone since ~1yr ago?
Yes, but it works poorly when walking the dog.
R's, John
Unless your native number is your GV number. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "TJ" <trejrco@gmail.com> To: "John R. Levine" <johnl@iecc.com>, "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> Cc: "Alex Rubenstein" <alex@corp.nac.net>, nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 12:02:15 PM Subject: Re: OT - Verizon/ATT Cell/4G Signal Booster/Repeater Hangouts Dialer gets you VOIP calls, whether WiFi or Cellular data is in use ... albeit from your GVoice#, not native/telco number. /TJ On Tue Dec 16 2014 at 12:55:49 PM John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
I just with Wifi calling was ubiquitous.
isn't it in every android phone since ~1yr ago?
Yes, but it works poorly when walking the dog.
R's, John
On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
I just with Wifi calling was ubiquitous.
isn't it in every android phone since ~1yr ago?
For some usa mobile providers nearly every android phone supports wifi calling... And iPhone6 too. For anyone doing VoLTE, VoWiFi should be a slam dunk. CB
If your users are all using the latest models... great We still have people using flip phones... We had to shut down our legacy signal booster when a provider sent us a cease and desist letter. We are still looking for a replacement solution that meets the new code. ---- Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd Director of Operations | Purchase, NY 10577 OTA Management LLC | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-694-5669 -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ca By Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 3:46 PM To: Christopher Morrow Cc: John Levine; Alex Rubenstein; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: OT - Verizon/ATT Cell/4G Signal Booster/Repeater On Tuesday, December 16, 2014, Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
I just with Wifi calling was ubiquitous.
isn't it in every android phone since ~1yr ago?
For some usa mobile providers nearly every android phone supports wifi calling... And iPhone6 too. For anyone doing VoLTE, VoWiFi should be a slam dunk. CB
Add T-mobile LTE and to that list. I need one. On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:32 PM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
I just with Wifi calling was ubiquitous.
isn't it in every android phone since ~1yr ago?
Perhaps they are, but AT&T and Verizon don't allow it, because they are terrible.
On 12/19/14 8:30 PM, Javier J wrote:
Add T-mobile LTE and to that list.
I need one.
I'm using wifi calling on my T-mobile device now and then 'just 'cuz', and it works a treat. Usually my cell coverage is excellent, but I'm sure that someday I'll be in a spot where I need it, so I want to keep exercising that path occasionally. :) FWIW, Doug (Usually I wouldn't bother speaking about a specific vendor, especially one that's arguably off-topic, but given the historical scuzziness of most of the mobile vendors, and what T-mobile is doing now to improve the situation; albeit with occasionally distasteful marketing theatrics, I thought it worth mentioning ...)
I used to use it too, but then I started with the nexus line of phones and guess what? gone. Because its a custom android implementation in their version of android but the Nexus is pure android untouched by t-mo. Not switching from my nexus 5 anytime soon and if I did I would probably get the 6. T-mo really should release it as an app of some kind. On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us> wrote:
On 12/19/14 8:30 PM, Javier J wrote:
Add T-mobile LTE and to that list.
I need one.
I'm using wifi calling on my T-mobile device now and then 'just 'cuz', and it works a treat. Usually my cell coverage is excellent, but I'm sure that someday I'll be in a spot where I need it, so I want to keep exercising that path occasionally. :)
FWIW,
Doug
(Usually I wouldn't bother speaking about a specific vendor, especially one that's arguably off-topic, but given the historical scuzziness of most of the mobile vendors, and what T-mobile is doing now to improve the situation; albeit with occasionally distasteful marketing theatrics, I thought it worth mentioning ...)
On Dec 20, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us> wrote:
On 12/19/14 8:30 PM, Javier J wrote:
Add T-mobile LTE and to that list.
I need one.
I'm using wifi calling on my T-mobile device now and then 'just 'cuz', and it works a treat. Usually my cell coverage is excellent, but I'm sure that someday I'll be in a spot where I need it, so I want to keep exercising that path occasionally. :)
FWIW,
Doug
(Usually I wouldn't bother speaking about a specific vendor, especially one that's arguably off-topic, but given the historical scuzziness of most of the mobile vendors, and what T-mobile is doing now to improve the situation; albeit with occasionally distasteful marketing theatrics, I thought it worth mentioning ...)
Doug, Just a question on T-Mobile and wifi. If you are traveling to a roaming country will wifi calls to #s back home be treated as non roaming calls? Tom
That is my understanding. Wifi calling is treated as on-net "home" calling. Jared Mauch
On Dec 21, 2014, at 7:39 AM, TR Shaw <tshaw@oitc.com> wrote:
On Dec 20, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us> wrote:
On 12/19/14 8:30 PM, Javier J wrote: Add T-mobile LTE and to that list.
I need one.
I'm using wifi calling on my T-mobile device now and then 'just 'cuz', and it works a treat. Usually my cell coverage is excellent, but I'm sure that someday I'll be in a spot where I need it, so I want to keep exercising that path occasionally. :)
FWIW,
Doug
(Usually I wouldn't bother speaking about a specific vendor, especially one that's arguably off-topic, but given the historical scuzziness of most of the mobile vendors, and what T-mobile is doing now to improve the situation; albeit with occasionally distasteful marketing theatrics, I thought it worth mentioning ...)
Doug,
Just a question on T-Mobile and wifi. If you are traveling to a roaming country will wifi calls to #s back home be treated as non roaming calls?
Tom
On Sunday, December 21, 2014, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
That is my understanding. Wifi calling is treated as on-net "home" calling.
Jared Mauch
Confirmed. Same for text messages. I have used in asia, south america, and Europe. Just works. For me this was a killer feature while traveling.... Or being in my basement. But i think the free* International data roaming in most countries now takes the cake CB *speed is 2g-ish Ps. I am not impartial
On Dec 21, 2014, at 7:39 AM, TR Shaw <tshaw@oitc.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
On Dec 20, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.us <javascript:;>> wrote:
On 12/19/14 8:30 PM, Javier J wrote: Add T-mobile LTE and to that list.
I need one.
I'm using wifi calling on my T-mobile device now and then 'just 'cuz', and it works a treat. Usually my cell coverage is excellent, but I'm sure that someday I'll be in a spot where I need it, so I want to keep exercising that path occasionally. :)
FWIW,
Doug
(Usually I wouldn't bother speaking about a specific vendor, especially one that's arguably off-topic, but given the historical scuzziness of most of the mobile vendors, and what T-mobile is doing now to improve the situation; albeit with occasionally distasteful marketing theatrics, I thought it worth mentioning ...)
Doug,
Just a question on T-Mobile and wifi. If you are traveling to a roaming country will wifi calls to #s back home be treated as non roaming calls?
Tom
For me this was a killer feature while traveling.... Or being in my basement. But i think the free* International data roaming in most countries now takes the cake
These days, if you have a smartphone with wifi, there are plenty of apps that will provide VoIP calling without needing any help from the carrier. If you use Google Voice, it's not hard to make everything look like one phone number. I agree that T-Mo's international data roaming is still a very good deal, though. Too bad T-Mo's coverage here in the US is so poor. R's, John
Correct. I've used T-Mo WiFi calling in numerous countries on three continents, and they are all treated as is you are in your 'home' country.
That is my understanding. Wifi calling is treated as on-net "home" calling.
Just a question on T-Mobile and wifi. If you are traveling to a roaming country will wifi calls to #s back home be treated as non roaming calls?
Tom
On 12/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ray Van Dolson wrote: One thing you might also want to consider are any calls you make to 911 whilst using a repeater. I use a repeater supplied by T-Mobile and they made it very clear, and I had to specifically acknowledge a statement, that using such a repeater takes away from emergency services being able to find out where you are if you make a 911 call from your mobile. Some may refer to this as a feature, depending on how much tin foil you have laying about, but the users of such device may need to be warned about emergency calls. They'll need to be able to describe where they are to the responding sirens. --John
Hi all;
Looking to improve cell reception for mixed ATT/Verizon users on the first floor of one of our buildings.
Starting to dig into this and coming across items like this one at Amazon[1], but thought some of you out there might have recommendations for something that has worked well for you and has been reliable.
Am in a position to run cable from the roof to the floor in question.
Thanks, Ray
Be careful about the new rules that were put into place in the spring. My experience is that resellers are still promoting "consumer" devices for use in commercial buildings which is now a no-no. Under the new regulation, consumer devices are to be used only for individuals in their home, car, RV, boat, etc.. Industrial signal boosters are the only allowed non-grandfathered devices to be used in buildings. They have to be installed by certified installers and require a FCC license under the new regulations. The new fines are steep at $100,000 an instance, so the wireless providers really have a hold of the FCC. ---- Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd Director of Operations | Purchase, NY 10577 OTA Management LLC | Phone: 914-460-4039 aim: matthewbhuff | Fax: 914-694-5669 -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of John Schiel Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:28 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: OT - Verizon/ATT Cell/4G Signal Booster/Repeater On 12/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ray Van Dolson wrote: One thing you might also want to consider are any calls you make to 911 whilst using a repeater. I use a repeater supplied by T-Mobile and they made it very clear, and I had to specifically acknowledge a statement, that using such a repeater takes away from emergency services being able to find out where you are if you make a 911 call from your mobile. Some may refer to this as a feature, depending on how much tin foil you have laying about, but the users of such device may need to be warned about emergency calls. They'll need to be able to describe where they are to the responding sirens. --John
Hi all;
Looking to improve cell reception for mixed ATT/Verizon users on the first floor of one of our buildings.
Starting to dig into this and coming across items like this one at Amazon[1], but thought some of you out there might have recommendations for something that has worked well for you and has been reliable.
Am in a position to run cable from the roof to the floor in question.
Thanks, Ray
On 16-Dec-14 12:27, John Schiel wrote:
One thing you might also want to consider are any calls you make to 911 whilst using a repeater.
I use a repeater supplied by T-Mobile and they made it very clear, and I had to specifically acknowledge a statement, that using such a repeater takes away from emergency services being able to find out where you are if you make a 911 call from your mobile.
Some may refer to this as a feature, depending on how much tin foil you have laying about, but the users of such device may need to be warned about emergency calls. They'll need to be able to describe where they are to the responding sirens.
With any reasonably modern phone, wouldn't this problem only apply to areas where GPS isn't available (e.g. basements) and the system tries to fall back to using tower triangulation? AIUI, part of the registration process's purpose is to give a default location for your new "tower" so that emergency responders at least know where to start looking if no better location information is available, e.g. because the caller can't speak or is disoriented. S -- Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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From: "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org>
On 16-Dec-14 12:27, John Schiel wrote:
One thing you might also want to consider are any calls you make to 911 whilst using a repeater.
I use a repeater supplied by T-Mobile and they made it very clear, and I had to specifically acknowledge a statement, that using such a repeater takes away from emergency services being able to find out where you are if you make a 911 call from your mobile.
Some may refer to this as a feature, depending on how much tin foil you have laying about, but the users of such device may need to be warned about emergency calls. They'll need to be able to describe where they are to the responding sirens.
With any reasonably modern phone, wouldn't this problem only apply to areas where GPS isn't available (e.g. basements) and the system tries to fall back to using tower triangulation?
AIUI, part of the registration process's purpose is to give a default location for your new "tower" so that emergency responders at least know where to start looking if no better location information is available, e.g. because the caller can't speak or is disoriented.
A friend of mine has a Sprint Airave picocell in her house, and it came with an external GPS antenna; if the cell can't lock a GPS position, it doesn't come online for calls. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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