Re: China ’s Maxim – Leave No Access Point Unexploited: The Hidden Story of China Telecom’ s BGP Hijacking
China Telecom's response: "The content of these reports was lack of factual evidence. The conclusion was ungrounded. Also, it did not match with the current status and technical principles of global Internet operation." http://www.irasia.com/listco/hk/chinatelecom/press/p181122.htm scott
On 27/11/2018 01:04, Scott Weeks wrote:
China Telecom's response: ... http://www.irasia.com/listco/hk/chinatelecom/press/p181122.htm
They forgot to mention that it's technically possible to filter advertisements from their customer. Which apparently they were/are not really doing. So much for "working together for the healthy and orderly development of global Internet"... Not saying they get more blame than MainOne, but also not less. Frank
China Telecom's response: They forgot to mention that it's technically possible to filter advertisements from their customer. Which apparently they were/are not really doing.
luckily, CT is the only isp not doing good filtering, or we would be having mis-originations and route leaks every day. oh, wait. randy
On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 1:11 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
China Telecom's response: They forgot to mention that it's technically possible to filter advertisements from their customer. Which apparently they were/are not really doing.
luckily, CT is the only isp not doing good filtering, or we would be having mis-originations and route leaks every day. oh, wait.
Perhaps what you meant to say here was: "Everyone NOT currently filtering should take page out of this latest public incident and talk to their management about: 'hey, we really don't want to look like them folks.. let's figure out this filtering jazz eh'"
They forgot to mention that it's technically possible to filter advertisements from their customer. Which apparently they were/are not really doing.
luckily, CT is the only isp not doing good filtering, or we would be having mis-originations and route leaks every day. oh, wait.
Perhaps what you meant to say here was:
“Then you should say what you mean,” the March Hare went on. “I do,” Alice hastily replied; “at least―at least I mean what I say―that’s the same thing, you know.” “Not the same thing a bit!” said the Hatter. “Why, you might just as well say that ‘I see what I eat’ is the same thing as ‘I eat what I see’!” “You might just as well say,” added the March Hare, “that ‘I like what I get’ is the same thing as ‘I get what I like’!” “You might just as well say,” added the Dormouse, which seemed to be talking in his sleep, “that ‘I breathe when I sleep’ is the same thing as ‘I sleep when I breathe’!”
On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 4:07 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
They forgot to mention that it's technically possible to filter advertisements from their customer. Which apparently they were/are not really doing.
luckily, CT is the only isp not doing good filtering, or we would be having mis-originations and route leaks every day. oh, wait.
Perhaps what you meant to say here was:
“Then you should say what you mean,” the March Hare went on.
I know. I guess my point was: "Hey, maybe now we can get people's attention?" reminder that IRR data matters, also merry holiday-stuff, and hopefully come jan1 filters will also start mattering a lot more (for me). -chris
They forgot to mention that it's technically possible to filter advertisements from their customer. Which apparently they were/are not really doing.
luckily, CT is the only isp not doing good filtering, or we would be having mis-originations and route leaks every day. oh, wait.
Perhaps what you meant to say here was:
“Then you should say what you mean,” the March Hare went on.
I know. I guess my point was: "Hey, maybe now we can get people's attention?"
my point is that over 20 years of continuing mis-originations and leaks seem not to move the needle very far. heck, you were jacked/leaked maybe ten or so days ago in about the same way you were jacked/leaked some time back. and you will be again. and those mean, nasty, godless, commie, ... chinese have no worse hygiene than 94.3% of the internet. non-chinese just love to get hysterical and accusatory when some prc isp does what almost everyone else is doing multiple times a day. and focusing on china telecom is a red herring, because damned near everyone leaks. and it is the everyone who has to change. doughnut, hole. randy
On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 4:28 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
They forgot to mention that it's technically possible to filter advertisements from their customer. Which apparently they were/are not really doing.
luckily, CT is the only isp not doing good filtering, or we would be having mis-originations and route leaks every day. oh, wait.
Perhaps what you meant to say here was:
“Then you should say what you mean,” the March Hare went on.
I know. I guess my point was: "Hey, maybe now we can get people's attention?"
my point is that over 20 years of continuing mis-originations and leaks seem not to move the needle very far. heck, you were jacked/leaked maybe ten or so days ago in about the same way you were jacked/leaked some time back. and you will be again.
and those mean, nasty, godless, commie, ... chinese have no worse hygiene than 94.3% of the internet. non-chinese just love to get hysterical and accusatory when some prc isp does what almost everyone else is doing multiple times a day.
and focusing on china telecom is a red herring, because damned near everyone leaks. and it is the everyone who has to change. doughnut, hole.
randy
Never waste a good outage to get buy-in for resources to get something good done. And if you have to pull that natsec fire alarm to move rpki to enforcing or dropping networks with repeated bad hygiene, so be it
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