Given we are moving into the hurricanes season in a few months, I was wondering if this is now an accepted standard. I haven't seen many updates - it appears to be complete as is. Thanks,
Make sure you don't miss the QoS implementation of RFC 2549 (and make sure that you're ready to implement RFC 6214). You'll be highly satisfied with the results (presuming you and your packets end up in one of the higher quality classes). I'd also suggest a RFC 2322 compliant DHCP server for devices inside the hurricane zone, but modified by implementing zip ties such that the C47s aren't released under heavy (wind or water) loads. - Eric
On 4/1/2013 10:15 PM, Eric Adler wrote:
Make sure you don't miss the QoS implementation of RFC 2549 (and make sure that you're ready to implement RFC 6214). You'll be highly satisfied with the results (presuming you and your packets end up in one of the higher quality classes). I'd also suggest a RFC 2322 compliant DHCP server for devices inside the hurricane zone, but modified by implementing zip ties such that the C47s aren't released under heavy (wind or water) loads.
Actually, given recent events, I'd emphasize and advocate RFC3514 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt) which I think is LONG overdue for adoption. The implementation would forego most of the currently debated topics as related to network abuse or misuse :) Jeff
Packets, shmackets. I'm just upset that my BGP over Semaphore Towers routing protocol extension hasn't been experimentally validated yet. Whoever you are who keeps flying pigeons between my test towers, you can't deliver packets without proper routing updates! Knock it off long enough for me to converge the #@$#$@ routing table... On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu> wrote:
On 4/1/2013 10:15 PM, Eric Adler wrote:
Make sure you don't miss the QoS implementation of RFC 2549 (and make sure that you're ready to implement RFC 6214). You'll be highly satisfied with the results (presuming you and your packets end up in one of the higher quality classes). I'd also suggest a RFC 2322 compliant DHCP server for devices inside the hurricane zone, but modified by implementing zip ties such that the C47s aren't released under heavy (wind or water) loads.
Actually, given recent events, I'd emphasize and advocate RFC3514 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt) which I think is LONG overdue for adoption. The implementation would forego most of the currently debated topics as related to network abuse or misuse :)
Jeff
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:37 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
Packets, shmackets. I'm just upset that my BGP over Semaphore Towers routing protocol extension hasn't been experimentally validated yet.
Whoever you are who keeps flying pigeons between my test towers, you can't deliver packets without proper routing updates! Knock it off long enough for me to converge the #@$#$@ routing table...
I'm working to make our network comply with the latest standards in rfc6919 - Jared
Hey careful, Pigeons have won this fight before: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8248056.stm -----Original Message----- From: George Herbert [mailto:george.herbert@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:37 PM To: Jeff Kell Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: RFC 1149 Packets, shmackets. I'm just upset that my BGP over Semaphore Towers routing protocol extension hasn't been experimentally validated yet. Whoever you are who keeps flying pigeons between my test towers, you can't deliver packets without proper routing updates! Knock it off long enough for me to converge the #@$#$@ routing table... On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu> wrote:
On 4/1/2013 10:15 PM, Eric Adler wrote:
Make sure you don't miss the QoS implementation of RFC 2549 (and make sure that you're ready to implement RFC 6214). You'll be highly satisfied with the results (presuming you and your packets end up in one of the higher quality classes). I'd also suggest a RFC 2322 compliant DHCP server for devices inside the hurricane zone, but modified by implementing zip ties such that the C47s aren't released under heavy (wind or water) loads.
Actually, given recent events, I'd emphasize and advocate RFC3514 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt) which I think is LONG overdue for adoption. The implementation would forego most of the currently debated topics as related to network abuse or misuse :)
Jeff
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges." Owen On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:31 , "Scott Berkman" <scott@sberkman.net> wrote:
Hey careful, Pigeons have won this fight before:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8248056.stm
-----Original Message----- From: George Herbert [mailto:george.herbert@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:37 PM To: Jeff Kell Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: RFC 1149
Packets, shmackets. I'm just upset that my BGP over Semaphore Towers routing protocol extension hasn't been experimentally validated yet.
Whoever you are who keeps flying pigeons between my test towers, you can't deliver packets without proper routing updates! Knock it off long enough for me to converge the #@$#$@ routing table...
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu> wrote:
On 4/1/2013 10:15 PM, Eric Adler wrote:
Make sure you don't miss the QoS implementation of RFC 2549 (and make sure that you're ready to implement RFC 6214). You'll be highly satisfied with the results (presuming you and your packets end up in one of the higher quality classes). I'd also suggest a RFC 2322 compliant DHCP server for devices inside the hurricane zone, but modified by implementing zip ties such that the C47s aren't released under heavy (wind or water) loads.
Actually, given recent events, I'd emphasize and advocate RFC3514 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt) which I think is LONG overdue for adoption. The implementation would forego most of the currently debated topics as related to network abuse or misuse :)
Jeff
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges."
Owen
XKCD is all over this: http://what-if.xkcd.com/31/ :) /TJ
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From: "TJ" <trejrco@gmail.com>
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges."
XKCD is all over this: http://what-if.xkcd.com/31/ :)
I have always wondered what kind of station wagon Andy had in mind; the SRT-8 Magnum didn't exist when he said that... Cheers, -- jr 'hurtling?' a -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274
From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:jra@baylink.com] ----- Original Message -----
From: "TJ" <trejrco@gmail.com>
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges."
XKCD is all over this: http://what-if.xkcd.com/31/ :)
I have always wondered what kind of station wagon Andy had in mind; the SRT-8 Magnum didn't exist when he said that...
No, but the Caprice Classic wagon was very common at the time. Jamie
In europe? He probably was thinking of a Volvo 245... On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Jamie Bowden <jamie@photon.com> wrote:
From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:jra@baylink.com] ----- Original Message -----
From: "TJ" <trejrco@gmail.com>
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges."
XKCD is all over this: http://what-if.xkcd.com/31/ :)
I have always wondered what kind of station wagon Andy had in mind; the SRT-8 Magnum didn't exist when he said that...
No, but the Caprice Classic wagon was very common at the time.
Jamie
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
I don't /think/ Andy was over there that far back. George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
In europe? He probably was thinking of a Volvo 245...
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Jamie Bowden <jamie@photon.com> wrote:
From: Jay Ashworth [mailto:jra@baylink.com] ----- Original Message -----
From: "TJ" <trejrco@gmail.com>
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges."
XKCD is all over this: http://what-if.xkcd.com/31/ :)
I have always wondered what kind of station wagon Andy had in mind; the SRT-8 Magnum didn't exist when he said that...
No, but the Caprice Classic wagon was very common at the time.
Jamie
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
-- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Subject: Re: RFC 1149 Date: Wed, Apr 03, 2013 at 02:59:47PM -0400 Quoting Jay Ashworth (jra@baylink.com):
George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
In europe? He probably was thinking of a Volvo 245...
I don't /think/ Andy was over there that far back.
"that far back"? The 245 still rolls, and probably will, for another 30 years. /Måns, drove 245 in youth. -- Måns Nilsson primary/secondary/besserwisser/machina MN-1334-RIPE +46 705 989668 The SAME WAVE keeps coming in and COLLAPSING like a rayon MUU-MUU ...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges."
Aww.... you remembered. http://baylink.pitas.com/20110516.html#747F Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274
On 4/2/2013 at 5:19 PM Jay Ashworth wrote: |----- Original Message ----- |> From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com> | |> "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges." | |Aww.... you remembered. | | http://baylink.pitas.com/20110516.html#747F ============= Staying more in the realm of what most on this list can afford... what is the bandwidth of the following, when loaded with DLT carts - USPS 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2" box, $40, 2 day delivery in the US
DLT? I first heard it as a station wagon full of (9-track, 1600 bpi, that having been the state of the art) mag tapes on the Taconic Parkway, circa 1970. I suspect, though, that Herman Hollerith expressed the idea about a stage coach full of punchcards, back in the 1880s. On Apr 2, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges."
Owen
On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:31 , "Scott Berkman" <scott@sberkman.net> wrote:
Hey careful, Pigeons have won this fight before:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8248056.stm
-----Original Message----- From: George Herbert [mailto:george.herbert@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:37 PM To: Jeff Kell Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: RFC 1149
Packets, shmackets. I'm just upset that my BGP over Semaphore Towers routing protocol extension hasn't been experimentally validated yet.
Whoever you are who keeps flying pigeons between my test towers, you can't deliver packets without proper routing updates! Knock it off long enough for me to converge the #@$#$@ routing table...
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu> wrote:
On 4/1/2013 10:15 PM, Eric Adler wrote:
Make sure you don't miss the QoS implementation of RFC 2549 (and make sure that you're ready to implement RFC 6214). You'll be highly satisfied with the results (presuming you and your packets end up in one of the higher quality classes). I'd also suggest a RFC 2322 compliant DHCP server for devices inside the hurricane zone, but modified by implementing zip ties such that the C47s aren't released under heavy (wind or water) loads.
Actually, given recent events, I'd emphasize and advocate RFC3514 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt) which I think is LONG overdue for adoption. The implementation would forego most of the currently debated topics as related to network abuse or misuse :)
Jeff
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
On 4/2/2013 at 6:44 PM Steven Bellovin wrote: |DLT? I first heard it as a station wagon full of (9-track, 1600 bpi, |that having been the state of the art) mag tapes on the Taconic Parkway, |circa 1970. I suspect, though, that Herman Hollerith expressed the idea |about a stage coach full of punchcards, back in the 1880s. ================ Oddly, prehaps, those punchcards on the stagecoaches probably will outlast any magnetic media we have at our disposal today....
On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:00:35 -0400, "Mike." said:
Oddly, prehaps, those punchcards on the stagecoaches probably will outlast any magnetic media we have at our disposal today....
Here's a picture of an estimated 4.3G of data on punch cards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg 20 rows of pallets, each row is 15 pallets, stacked 2 high, 45 boxes of 2,000 to the pallet. One has to wonder if those pallets are still there....
Things get upgraded over time. Owen On Apr 2, 2013, at 15:44 , Steven Bellovin <smb@cs.columbia.edu> wrote:
DLT? I first heard it as a station wagon full of (9-track, 1600 bpi, that having been the state of the art) mag tapes on the Taconic Parkway, circa 1970. I suspect, though, that Herman Hollerith expressed the idea about a stage coach full of punchcards, back in the 1880s.
On Apr 2, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
"Never underestimate the bandwidth of a 747 full of DLT cartridges."
Owen
On Apr 2, 2013, at 11:31 , "Scott Berkman" <scott@sberkman.net> wrote:
Hey careful, Pigeons have won this fight before:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8248056.stm
-----Original Message----- From: George Herbert [mailto:george.herbert@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 10:37 PM To: Jeff Kell Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: RFC 1149
Packets, shmackets. I'm just upset that my BGP over Semaphore Towers routing protocol extension hasn't been experimentally validated yet.
Whoever you are who keeps flying pigeons between my test towers, you can't deliver packets without proper routing updates! Knock it off long enough for me to converge the #@$#$@ routing table...
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu> wrote:
On 4/1/2013 10:15 PM, Eric Adler wrote:
Make sure you don't miss the QoS implementation of RFC 2549 (and make sure that you're ready to implement RFC 6214). You'll be highly satisfied with the results (presuming you and your packets end up in one of the higher quality classes). I'd also suggest a RFC 2322 compliant DHCP server for devices inside the hurricane zone, but modified by implementing zip ties such that the C47s aren't released under heavy (wind or water) loads.
Actually, given recent events, I'd emphasize and advocate RFC3514 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3514.txt) which I think is LONG overdue for adoption. The implementation would forego most of the currently debated topics as related to network abuse or misuse :)
Jeff
-- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
DLT? I first heard it as a station wagon full of (9-track, 1600 bpi, that having been the state of the art) mag tapes on the Taconic Parkway, circa 1970. I suspect, though, that Herman Hollerith expressed the idea about a stage coach full of punchcards, back in the 1880s.
The earliest reference to this I've been able to pin down is Andy Tanenbaum's, and TTBOMK -- and you of all people should know this, Steve -- he was talking about Usenet, which a few sites actually *got feeds of on magtape*, in the very early 80s. Some of those tapes, in addition to UTZoo's backups of their spool, constituted the very earliest material given to Dejagoo. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274
On Apr 2, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
DLT? I first heard it as a station wagon full of (9-track, 1600 bpi, that having been the state of the art) mag tapes on the Taconic Parkway, circa 1970. I suspect, though, that Herman Hollerith expressed the idea about a stage coach full of punchcards, back in the 1880s.
The earliest reference to this I've been able to pin down is Andy Tanenbaum's, and TTBOMK -- and you of all people should know this, Steve -- he was talking about Usenet, which a few sites actually *got feeds of on magtape*, in the very early 80s. Some of those tapes, in addition to UTZoo's backups of their spool, constituted the very earliest material given to Dejagoo.
Yes, I know that story. I'm talking what was said to me personally -- not hearsay, earwitness evidence. The road mentioned was the Taconic Parkway, part of the direct route between where I was working at the time (IBM Watson Lab #2, http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/watsonlab.html) and IBM Yorktown -- https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=612+West+115th+Street,+New+York,+NY&daddr=ibm+watson+labs,+yorktown,+ny&hl=en&ll=41.027571,-73.66745&spn=0.872312,0.95993&sll=40.807717,-73.965464&sspn=0.013675,0.014999&geocode=FSWtbgIdaGCX-ylpY-dMOfbCiTEUPDIPtH_nMw%3BFfTUdAIdCtuZ-yF0j-k3CpyMSikvG-JPT7jCiTF0j-k3CpyMSg&mra=ls&t=m&z=10 The context was the speed of an RJE link between the IBM 1130 I was running (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/1130.html) and a mainframe in Yorktown. (If memory serves, it was a 2400 bps half-duplex link, probably via a Bell 201 "data set". I don't remember for sure, though. Anyway, that was my first contact with networking, though I worried more about the host part of it. I did learn bisync rather thoroughly in my next gig, at City College of New York Computer Center, at that time the central computing hub for the entire City University system.) --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
Steve, would you post that on a webpage somewhere? :-) - jra Steven Bellovin <smb@cs.columbia.edu> wrote:
On Apr 2, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Jay Ashworth <jra@baylink.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
DLT? I first heard it as a station wagon full of (9-track, 1600 bpi, that having been the state of the art) mag tapes on the Taconic Parkway, circa 1970. I suspect, though, that Herman Hollerith expressed the idea about a stage coach full of punchcards, back in the 1880s.
The earliest reference to this I've been able to pin down is Andy Tanenbaum's, and TTBOMK -- and you of all people should know this, Steve -- he was talking about Usenet, which a few sites actually *got feeds of on magtape*, in the very early 80s. Some of those tapes, in addition to UTZoo's backups of their spool, constituted the very earliest material given to Dejagoo.
Yes, I know that story. I'm talking what was said to me personally -- not hearsay, earwitness evidence. The road mentioned was the Taconic Parkway, part of the direct route between where I was working at the time (IBM Watson Lab #2, http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/watsonlab.html) and IBM Yorktown -- https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=612+West+115th+Street,+New+York,+NY&daddr=ibm+watson+labs,+yorktown,+ny&hl=en&ll=41.027571,-73.66745&spn=0.872312,0.95993&sll=40.807717,-73.965464&sspn=0.013675,0.014999&geocode=FSWtbgIdaGCX-ylpY-dMOfbCiTEUPDIPtH_nMw%3BFfTUdAIdCtuZ-yF0j-k3CpyMSikvG-JPT7jCiTF0j-k3CpyMSg&mra=ls&t=m&z=10 The context was the speed of an RJE link between the IBM 1130 I was running (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/1130.html) and a mainframe in Yorktown. (If memory serves, it was a 2400 bps half-duplex link, probably via a Bell 201 "data set". I don't remember for sure, though. Anyway, that was my first contact with networking, though I worried more about the host part of it. I did learn bisync rather thoroughly in my next gig, at City College of New York Computer Center, at that time the central computing hub for the entire City University system.)
--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
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