Pulling of Network Maps
Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously offered street-level detailed maps, not only upon request, but also posted publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes? Not even the popular online mapping services have current-enough-to-be-useful maps. The claim is that it's proprietary. A) It wasn't before and B) No it isn't. Everything you've ever done is a FOIA request or 811 design ticket away. I'm not sure how this helps the companies. It certainly makes it harder for me trying to piece networks together when they won't tell me where they are until I give them A and Z locations. If it's too hard for me to figure out where you are, you just plain won't get the sale. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
The pessimistic (and likely most realistic) take is that enabling potential customers to do research like that is seen as a missed opportunity for a sales contact. ------ Original Message ------
From "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> To "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Date 10/26/2023 12:17:22 Subject Pulling of Network Maps
Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously offered street-level detailed maps, not only upon request, but also posted publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes?
Not even the popular online mapping services have current-enough-to-be-useful maps.
The claim is that it's proprietary. A) It wasn't before and B) No it isn't. Everything you've ever done is a FOIA request or 811 design ticket away.
I'm not sure how this helps the companies. It certainly makes it harder for me trying to piece networks together when they won't tell me where they are until I give them A and Z locations. If it's too hard for me to figure out where you are, you just plain won't get the sale.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
If it's too hard for me to figure out where you are, you just plain won't get the sale.
My experience with maps over the last decade tells me that even most vendors don't actually know where they are. :) On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:18 PM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously offered street-level detailed maps, not only upon request, but also posted publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes?
Not even the popular online mapping services have current-enough-to-be-useful maps.
The claim is that it's proprietary. A) It wasn't before and B) No it isn't. Everything you've ever done is a FOIA request or 811 design ticket away.
I'm not sure how this helps the companies. It certainly makes it harder for me trying to piece networks together when they won't tell me where they are until I give them A and Z locations. If it's too hard for me to figure out where you are, you just plain won't get the sale.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
I had that too. The map showed a facility was online. It wasn't. Lots of build to get there. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Beecher" <beecher@beecher.cc> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:01:33 PM Subject: Re: Pulling of Network Maps If it's too hard for me to figure out where you are, you just plain won't get the sale. My experience with maps over the last decade tells me that even most vendors don't actually know where they are. :) On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 12:18 PM Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: <blockquote> Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously offered street-level detailed maps, not only upon request, but also posted publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes? Not even the popular online mapping services have current-enough-to-be-useful maps. The claim is that it's proprietary. A) It wasn't before and B) No it isn't. Everything you've ever done is a FOIA request or 811 design ticket away. I'm not sure how this helps the companies. It certainly makes it harder for me trying to piece networks together when they won't tell me where they are until I give them A and Z locations. If it's too hard for me to figure out where you are, you just plain won't get the sale. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com </blockquote>
On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:01 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
My experience with maps over the last decade tells me that even most vendors don't actually know where they are. :)
So true. And not that young a problem. I leased some dark fiber more than a decade ago. They sent an unexpectedly expensive build proposal to connect my building. I asked: "Why are you trenching to the manhole down the street instead of the one right outside?" They asked, "what manhole?" Long story short, they dispatched a guy who popped the cover, pumped the water out of the vault and confirmed that they had a location they didn't know about. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin bill@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
and I get how that could be. We had a design. Gave the prints to the contractors. Someone internally verified the contractors built what was on the prints. A year or two goes by and some laterals ended up costing more because handholes on the prints were never built. Our locator goes to a handhole to send his signal and the handhole doesn't exist or finds a handhole in a spot not on the prints. Always fun managing OSP. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Herrin" <bill@herrin.us> To: "Tom Beecher" <beecher@beecher.cc> Cc: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net>, "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:33:25 PM Subject: Re: Pulling of Network Maps On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:01 AM Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
My experience with maps over the last decade tells me that even most vendors don't actually know where they are. :)
So true. And not that young a problem. I leased some dark fiber more than a decade ago. They sent an unexpectedly expensive build proposal to connect my building. I asked: "Why are you trenching to the manhole down the street instead of the one right outside?" They asked, "what manhole?" Long story short, they dispatched a guy who popped the cover, pumped the water out of the vault and confirmed that they had a location they didn't know about. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin bill@herrin.us https://bill.herrin.us/
On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming.... michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools michael.brooks@adams12.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss" On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Always fun managing OSP.
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For our own plant, we use https://mapitright.com/ For managing my collections of others' maps, I use ArcGIS. Map It Right does all of the slack loops, splice maps, etc. ArcGIS just loads for me a bunch of layers of network map. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael brooks - ESC" <michael.brooks@adams12.org> To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: "William Herrin" <bill@herrin.us>, "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26:04 AM Subject: OSP Management On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming.... michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools michael.brooks@adams12.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss" On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett < nanog@ics-il.net > wrote: Always fun managing OSP. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.
We're on OSPInsight here. Don't have much exposure to it, but it seems to do the trick well. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tim=mid.net@nanog.org> on behalf of michael brooks - ESC <michael.brooks@adams12.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 AM To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: OSP Management On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming.... michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools michael.brooks@adams12.org<mailto:michael.brooks@adams12.org> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss" On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote: Always fun managing OSP. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ics-il.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HIqI_JfB$> Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.midwest-ix.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HDRh8w21$> This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.
3GIS here. Great product. JJ Stonebraker | Associate Director The University of Texas System | Office of Telecommunication Services (512) 232-0888 | jjs@ots.utsystem.edu ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+jjs=ots.utsystem.edu@nanog.org> on behalf of Tim Burke <tim@mid.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 10:26 AM To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net>; michael.brooks@adams12.org <michael.brooks@adams12.org> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: OSP Management We're on OSPInsight here. Don't have much exposure to it, but it seems to do the trick well. ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+tim=mid.net@nanog.org> on behalf of michael brooks - ESC <michael.brooks@adams12.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 AM To: Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: OSP Management On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming.... michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools michael.brooks@adams12.org<mailto:michael.brooks@adams12.org> :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss" On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote: Always fun managing OSP. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.ics-il.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HIqI_JfB$> Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.midwest-ix.com__;!!IR39LLzvxw!KJhHvAXNK_qlGRpKRzdjwrbUiToB9DdWW4qx_WhglUoygnqlGcLjg10kbR_UYNPg2VzXcAk2sSV0HDRh8w21$> This is a staff email account managed by Adams 12 Five Star Schools. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender.
3Gis is great. We are switching to Crescent link which seems to be lacking the feature diversity and granularity of 3GIS. On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 11:35 AM Stonebraker, Jack J <jjs@ots.utsystem.edu> wrote:
3GIS here. Great product.
*JJ Stonebraker* | Associate Director The University of Texas System | Office of Telecommunication Services *(512) 232-0888* | jjs@ots.utsystem.edu
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We're on OSPInsight here. Don't have much exposure to it, but it seems to do the trick well. ------------------------------ *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+tim=mid.net@nanog.org> on behalf of michael brooks - ESC <michael.brooks@adams12.org> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 AM *To:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> *Cc:* NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* OSP Management
On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....
michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools michael.brooks@adams12.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Always fun managing OSP.
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3GIS here On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 11:33 AM Stonebraker, Jack J <jjs@ots.utsystem.edu> wrote:
3GIS here. Great product.
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We're on OSPInsight here. Don't have much exposure to it, but it seems to do the trick well. ------------------------------ *From:* NANOG <nanog-bounces+tim=mid.net@nanog.org> on behalf of michael brooks - ESC <michael.brooks@adams12.org> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2023 8:26 AM *To:* Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> *Cc:* NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject:* OSP Management
On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....
michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools michael.brooks@adams12.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Always fun managing OSP.
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On that topic, I find it interesting to see how different medium/regional scale ISPs have developed their own in-house GIS systems, once they reach the size and scale where one FTE staff position to run GIS systems/database backend is a necessity. There is a great deal that can be done with QGIS and entirely GPL/BSD licensed software, if your GIS person has a background in this sort of thing. Privately hosting a intranet-based tile-server for openstreetmap data and overlaying your own network on top of it is not extremely difficult. On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 6:27 AM michael brooks - ESC < michael.brooks@adams12.org> wrote:
On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....
michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools michael.brooks@adams12.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss"
On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Always fun managing OSP.
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We used to have an FTE for ArcGIS. We got by pretty well until we needed to document circuits down to the NIC level, and then we lost that FTE altogether. PatchManager was chosen from an RFP for its granularity and (seeming) user-friendliness. michael brooks Sr. Network Engineer Adams 12 Five Star Schools michael.brooks@adams12.org :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss" On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 4:29 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuhnke@gmail.com> wrote:
On that topic, I find it interesting to see how different medium/regional scale ISPs have developed their own in-house GIS systems, once they reach the size and scale where one FTE staff position to run GIS systems/database backend is a necessity.
There is a great deal that can be done with QGIS and entirely GPL/BSD licensed software, if your GIS person has a background in this sort of thing.
Privately hosting a intranet-based tile-server for openstreetmap data and overlaying your own network on top of it is not extremely difficult.
On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 6:27 AM michael brooks - ESC < michael.brooks@adams12.org> wrote:
On that note, what do you all use for managing OSP? We have been attempting to stand up PatchManager for quite some time, and find it a good product, but the billions of options can be overwhelming....
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On Fri, Oct 27, 2023 at 5:54 AM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
Always fun managing OSP.
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Le Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:17:22AM -0500, Mike Hammett a écrit :
Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously offered street-level detailed maps, not only upon request, but also posted publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes?
There is no small profit :) Also some will fear sabotage if the pathway is publicly available.
But it already is publicly available to someone that's interested enough via the permits issued by the appropriate jurisdictions or if you put in 811 design stage tickets. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Fondras" <xxnog@ledeuns.net> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:22:56 PM Subject: Re: Pulling of Network Maps Le Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:17:22AM -0500, Mike Hammett a écrit :
Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously offered street-level detailed maps, not only upon request, but also posted publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes?
There is no small profit :) Also some will fear sabotage if the pathway is publicly available.
Well, in fairness: those approaches *leave tracks* for a potential attacker; picking up published maps does not... Cheers, -- jra ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> To: "Denis Fondras" <xxnog@ledeuns.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:30:23 PM Subject: Re: Pulling of Network Maps
But it already is publicly available to someone that's interested enough via the permits issued by the appropriate jurisdictions or if you put in 811 design stage tickets.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Fondras" <xxnog@ledeuns.net> To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:22:56 PM Subject: Re: Pulling of Network Maps
Le Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 11:17:22AM -0500, Mike Hammett a écrit :
Has anyone else noticed a trend of some network operators that previously offered street-level detailed maps, not only upon request, but also posted publicly have started to only provide them upon quotes?
There is no small profit :)
Also some will fear sabotage if the pathway is publicly available.
-- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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