We are looking for some MPLS connectivity between Equinix Ashburn and Equinix San Jose who would the group recommend?
as much contempt as I have at times for Verizon, they've not been a bad carrier with respect to reliability. Our MPLS cloud has been pretty stable On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Leo Woltz <leo.woltz@gmail.com> wrote:
We are looking for some MPLS connectivity between Equinix Ashburn and Equinix San Jose who would the group recommend?
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On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Leo Woltz <leo.woltz@gmail.com> wrote:
We are looking for some MPLS connectivity between Equinix Ashburn and Equinix San Jose who would the group recommend?
why not just buy a wave on someone's dwdm system? (why mpls, I suppose, for what sounds like a ptp application)
Hi Leo: Just trying to understand the lingo. What do you mean by buying a "wave" on someone's dwdm system? And what is dwdm? Thanks for the heads up!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:24:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Equinix MPLS connectivity From: morrowc.lists@gmail.com To: leo.woltz@gmail.com CC: nanog@nanog.org
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Leo Woltz <leo.woltz@gmail.com> wrote:
We are looking for some MPLS connectivity between Equinix Ashburn and Equinix San Jose who would the group recommend?
why not just buy a wave on someone's dwdm system? (why mpls, I suppose, for what sounds like a ptp application)
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Brandon Kim <brandon.kim@brandontek.com> wrote:
Hi Leo:
since you are addressing my comment, probably you meant 'chris' there...
Just trying to understand the lingo. What do you mean by buying a "wave" on someone's dwdm system? And what is dwdm?
'wave' - wavelength, one optical path (though a single wavelength used not many) 'dwdm' - dense wave division multiplexing, many optical transport systems today multiplex different optical wavelengths on a single fiber. Most optical transport vendors will sell you one wavelength from point to point on their system, or many waves if you need more than one wave's capacity. -chris
Thanks for the heads up!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:24:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Equinix MPLS connectivity From: morrowc.lists@gmail.com To: leo.woltz@gmail.com CC: nanog@nanog.org
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Leo Woltz <leo.woltz@gmail.com> wrote:
We are looking for some MPLS connectivity between Equinix Ashburn and Equinix San Jose who would the group recommend?
why not just buy a wave on someone's dwdm system? (why mpls, I suppose, for what sounds like a ptp application)
My apologies! I was still finishing up my morning coffee so it hasn't kicked in yet..... Thank you for the explanation however! =)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 12:12:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Equinix MPLS connectivity From: morrowc.lists@gmail.com To: brandon.kim@brandontek.com CC: leo.woltz@gmail.com; nanog@nanog.org
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Brandon Kim <brandon.kim@brandontek.com> wrote:
Hi Leo:
since you are addressing my comment, probably you meant 'chris' there...
Just trying to understand the lingo. What do you mean by buying a "wave" on someone's dwdm system? And what is dwdm?
'wave' - wavelength, one optical path (though a single wavelength used not many) 'dwdm' - dense wave division multiplexing, many optical transport systems today multiplex different optical wavelengths on a single fiber. Most optical transport vendors will sell you one wavelength from point to point on their system, or many waves if you need more than one wave's capacity.
-chris
Thanks for the heads up!
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 10:24:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Equinix MPLS connectivity From: morrowc.lists@gmail.com To: leo.woltz@gmail.com CC: nanog@nanog.org
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Leo Woltz <leo.woltz@gmail.com> wrote:
We are looking for some MPLS connectivity between Equinix Ashburn and Equinix San Jose who would the group recommend?
why not just buy a wave on someone's dwdm system? (why mpls, I suppose, for what sounds like a ptp application)
On Sat, Oct 09, 2010 at 10:24:16AM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote:
why not just buy a wave on someone's dwdm system? (why mpls, I suppose, for what sounds like a ptp application)
The native wavelength for most longhaul DWDM systems is 10G, and not everybody needs to buy bandwidth in 10Gbps increments. Waves are also unprotected, and you're expected to buy multiple diverse paths and manage your own protection if you'd like the service to stay up. In this type of situation, where the customer doesn't have much economy of scale and needs to buy 2x10G of waves just to get 10G of protected bandwidth, MPLS transport can often be a cheaper, more reliable, and more flexible solution, even for point to point applications between major points on commodity routes. In this particular scenario, if they need less than say 4-5 Gbps, need to be burstable, or are after specific latency and/or protection goals, MPLS would probably be a clear winner over waves. But note that I still have enough shame not to spam the list with pointers to the MPLS transport services my company offers. :) -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
I assume you mean some l2 circuit. That is something we can do here at ntt. www.us.ntt.net should get you to the right place. Jared Mauch On Oct 9, 2010, at 4:22 AM, Leo Woltz <leo.woltz@gmail.com> wrote:
We are looking for some MPLS connectivity between Equinix Ashburn and Equinix San Jose who would the group recommend?
We have been looking into Sprint but one issue we are running into is lack of IPv6 support. So we are looking into Level3 and Global. I think Equinix may also have its own connectivity they can sell you. -----Original Message----- From: Leo Woltz [mailto:leo.woltz@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 4:22 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Equinix MPLS connectivity We are looking for some MPLS connectivity between Equinix Ashburn and Equinix San Jose who would the group recommend?
On 10/9/10 5:08 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote:
We have been looking into Sprint but one issue we are running into is lack of IPv6 support. So we are looking into Level3 and Global. I think Equinix may also have its own connectivity they can sell you.
Um, if you order an MPLS connection between two distant sites, doesn't the provider normally (in my experience) just hand you ports that are effectively layer 2? IPvAnything doesn't even factor in. ~Seth
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 12:38 AM, Seth Mattinen <sethm@rollernet.us> wrote:
On 10/9/10 5:08 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote:
We have been looking into Sprint but one issue we are running into is lack of IPv6 support. So we are looking into Level3 and Global. I think Equinix may also have its own connectivity they can sell you.
Um, if you order an MPLS connection between two distant sites, doesn't the provider normally (in my experience) just hand you ports that are effectively layer 2? IPvAnything doesn't even factor in.
oh, so it occurs to me that when I read the original post I read it as 'mpls network' not 'mpls p2p link', I suppose if the OP was looking for an L2 circuit emulated across an MPLS network ... that's the same thing as a wave (basically) at the customer hand off. -chris
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, Christopher Morrow wrote:
oh, so it occurs to me that when I read the original post I read it as 'mpls network' not 'mpls p2p link', I suppose if the OP was looking for an L2 circuit emulated across an MPLS network ... that's the same thing as a wave (basically) at the customer hand off.
That's why one never should use "MPLS" when talking about customer connections, unless they're actually carriers carrier or something like that. L2 or L3 VPN is fine, that is a service, MPLS is a way to produce that service. Asking for "MPLS connectivity" is just asking for misunderstandings. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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