Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution once they leave Netflix? Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache server. AG
I would guess they are using the Hulu platform as the backend for their streaming services going forward. They are now the primary stakeholders in Hulu (purchase of Fox). I don't know if they do cache servers however. Brian ________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Aaron Graves <ag2400@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 5:21 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Disney+ CDN Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution once they leave Netflix? Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache server. AG
Have we found out yet if Disney+ will have a CDN? Like Netflix oca, Akamai aanp, google ggc, facebook fna … a Disney isp-located cdn presence ? disneyplus.com -Aaron From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Graves Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 7:22 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Disney+ CDN Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution once they leave Netflix? Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache server. AG
An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO are built on. The bits from the first two come from Akamai and Level3 CDNs. I haven't looked into where HBO Go comes from. On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:58 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
Have we found out yet if Disney+ will have a CDN? Like Netflix oca, Akamai aanp, google ggc, facebook fna … a Disney isp-located cdn presence ?
disneyplus.com
-Aaron
*From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Graves *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2018 7:22 PM *To:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Disney+ CDN
Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution once they leave Netflix? Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache server.
AG
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:03 PM Jared Geiger <jared@compuwizz.net> wrote:
An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO are built on. The bits from the first two come from Akamai and Level3 CDNs. I haven't looked into where HBO Go comes from.
Yep, they decided to buy BAMTech and build their own: https://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-majority-ow...
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:58 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
Have we found out yet if Disney+ will have a CDN? Like Netflix oca, Akamai aanp, google ggc, facebook fna … a Disney isp-located cdn presence ?
disneyplus.com
-Aaron
*From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Graves *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2018 7:22 PM *To:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Disney+ CDN
Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution once they leave Netflix? Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache server.
AG
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$1.6B for less than half of the company and they don't even source the bits themselves? Hrm.... ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Grundemann" <cgrundemann@gmail.com> To: "Jared Geiger" <jared@compuwizz.net> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 2:31:24 PM Subject: Re: Disney+ CDN On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:03 PM Jared Geiger < jared@compuwizz.net > wrote: An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO are built on. The bits from the first two come from Akamai and Level3 CDNs. I haven't looked into where HBO Go comes from. Yep, they decided to buy BAMTech and build their own: https://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-majority-ow... <blockquote> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:58 PM Aaron Gould < aaron1@gvtc.com > wrote: <blockquote> Have we found out yet if Disney+ will have a CDN? Like Netflix oca, Akamai aanp, google ggc, facebook fna … a Disney isp-located cdn presence ? disneyplus.com -Aaron From: NANOG [mailto: nanog-bounces@nanog.org ] On Behalf Of Aaron Graves Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 7:22 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Disney+ CDN Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution once they leave Netflix? Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache server. AG </blockquote> </blockquote> -- @ChrisGrundemann http://chrisgrundemann.com
They owned 33% and bought another 42% making it an even 75%. Luke ns From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 2:38 PM To: Chris Grundemann Cc: Jared Geiger; NANOG Subject: Re: Disney+ CDN $1.6B for less than half of the company and they don't even source the bits themselves? Hrm.... ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Chris Grundemann" <cgrundemann@gmail.com<mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com>> To: "Jared Geiger" <jared@compuwizz.net<mailto:jared@compuwizz.net>> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 2:31:24 PM Subject: Re: Disney+ CDN On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:03 PM Jared Geiger <jared@compuwizz.net<mailto:jared@compuwizz.net>> wrote: An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO are built on. The bits from the first two come from Akamai and Level3 CDNs. I haven't looked into where HBO Go comes from. Yep, they decided to buy BAMTech and build their own: https://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-majority-ow... On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:58 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com<mailto:aaron1@gvtc.com>> wrote: Have we found out yet if Disney+ will have a CDN? Like Netflix oca, Akamai aanp, google ggc, facebook fna … a Disney isp-located cdn presence ? disneyplus.com<http://disneyplus.com> -Aaron From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org<mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org>] On Behalf Of Aaron Graves Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 7:22 PM To: nanog@nanog.org<mailto:nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Disney+ CDN Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution once they leave Netflix? Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache server. AG -- @ChrisGrundemann http://chrisgrundemann.com
On 4/12/19 2:31 PM, Chris Grundemann wrote:
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:03 PM Jared Geiger <jared@compuwizz.net <mailto:jared@compuwizz.net>> wrote:
An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO are built on. The bits from the first two come from Akamai and Level3 CDNs. I haven't looked into where HBO Go comes from.
Yep, they decided to buy BAMTech and build their own: https://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-majority-ow...
So, on a practical level, with whom should I peer so as not to jack up my transit costs?
Looks like Disney has an ASN for their streaming service: https://www.peeringdb.com/net/15627 On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:26 PM Bryan Holloway <bryan@shout.net> wrote:
On 4/12/19 2:31 PM, Chris Grundemann wrote:
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:03 PM Jared Geiger <jared@compuwizz.net <mailto:jared@compuwizz.net>> wrote:
An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO are built on. The bits from the first two come from Akamai and Level3 CDNs. I haven't looked into where HBO Go comes from.
Yep, they decided to buy BAMTech and build their own:
https://www.thewaltdisneycompany.com/walt-disney-company-acquire-majority-ow...
So, on a practical level, with whom should I peer so as not to jack up my transit costs?
On 4/26/19 4:33 PM, Ross Tajvar wrote:
Looks like Disney has an ASN for their streaming service: https://www.peeringdb.com/net/15627
Helluva entry ... *crickets* *tumbleweeds*
Yeah, I'm going to send them an email and see if I can get ahold of their peering policy. I'm hoping they will update it as they get more attention from other networks. They may just be procrastinating setting things up. According to bgp.he.net they are only announcing one v4 /24 and one v6 /48, which *could* be enough IPs, but seems a little on the small side. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:37 PM Bryan Holloway <bryan@shout.net> wrote:
On 4/26/19 4:33 PM, Ross Tajvar wrote:
Looks like Disney has an ASN for their streaming service: https://www.peeringdb.com/net/15627
Helluva entry ...
*crickets* *tumbleweeds*
Sorry for the double email but I wanted to add - the ARIN org was only created in November 2018: OrgName: Disney Streaming Services OrgId: DSTL-2 Address: 75 9th Ave. Address: 6th Floor City: New York StateProv: NY PostalCode: 10011 Country: US RegDate: 2018-11-15 Updated: 2018-11-15 Ref: https://rdap.arin.net/registry/entity/DSTL-2 On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:41 PM Ross Tajvar <ross@tajvar.io> wrote:
Yeah, I'm going to send them an email and see if I can get ahold of their peering policy.
I'm hoping they will update it as they get more attention from other networks. They may just be procrastinating setting things up. According to bgp.he.net they are only announcing one v4 /24 and one v6 /48, which *could* be enough IPs, but seems a little on the small side.
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:37 PM Bryan Holloway <bryan@shout.net> wrote:
On 4/26/19 4:33 PM, Ross Tajvar wrote:
Looks like Disney has an ASN for their streaming service: https://www.peeringdb.com/net/15627
Helluva entry ...
*crickets* *tumbleweeds*
On Fri, 26 Apr 2019, Ross Tajvar wrote:
Yeah, I'm going to send them an email and see if I can get ahold of their peering policy. I'm hoping they will update it as they get more attention from other networks. They may just be procrastinating setting things up. According to bgp.he.net they are only announcing one v4 /24 and one v6 /48, which could be enough IPs, but seems a little on the small side.
I'd be much more worried about only being on one IX than only advertising a single /24 and /48. I'm guessing they've just not fully fleshed out the peeringdb entry and maybe not fully built out the network infrastructure yet. A CDN, with everything coming from one POP in NY is not going to cut it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
Agreed, I noticed the single IX as well and asked them about it in my email. If they don't expand aggressively in the next ~6 months, they're going to have a very problematic launch. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:59 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2019, Ross Tajvar wrote:
Yeah, I'm going to send them an email and see if I can get ahold of their peering policy. I'm hoping they will update it as they get more attention from other networks. They may just be procrastinating setting things up. According to bgp.he.net they are only announcing one v4 /24 and one v6 /48, which could be enough IPs, but seems a little on the small side.
I'd be much more worried about only being on one IX than only advertising a single /24 and /48. I'm guessing they've just not fully fleshed out the peeringdb entry and maybe not fully built out the network infrastructure yet. A CDN, with everything coming from one POP in NY is not going to cut it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
I doubt it. If they use the BAM stuff and launch in October (after World Series) the timing might be right. Sent from my iCar
On Apr 26, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Ross Tajvar <ross@tajvar.io> wrote:
Agreed, I noticed the single IX as well and asked them about it in my email. If they don't expand aggressively in the next ~6 months, they're going to have a very problematic launch.
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:59 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote: On Fri, 26 Apr 2019, Ross Tajvar wrote:
Yeah, I'm going to send them an email and see if I can get ahold of their peering policy. I'm hoping they will update it as they get more attention from other networks. They may just be procrastinating setting things up. According to bgp.he.net they are only announcing one v4 /24 and one v6 /48, which could be enough IPs, but seems a little on the small side.
I'd be much more worried about only being on one IX than only advertising a single /24 and /48. I'm guessing they've just not fully fleshed out the peeringdb entry and maybe not fully built out the network infrastructure yet. A CDN, with everything coming from one POP in NY is not going to cut it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
but hey... they're getting transit from VZB\MCI\UUNET... so it'll be great! ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Lewis" <jlewis@lewis.org> To: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 4:51:58 PM Subject: Re: Disney+ CDN On Fri, 26 Apr 2019, Ross Tajvar wrote:
Yeah, I'm going to send them an email and see if I can get ahold of their peering policy. I'm hoping they will update it as they get more attention from other networks. They may just be procrastinating setting things up. According to bgp.he.net they are only announcing one v4 /24 and one v6 /48, which could be enough IPs, but seems a little on the small side.
I'd be much more worried about only being on one IX than only advertising a single /24 and /48. I'm guessing they've just not fully fleshed out the peeringdb entry and maybe not fully built out the network infrastructure yet. A CDN, with everything coming from one POP in NY is not going to cut it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
My understanding is that they are launching using commercial CDNs. Highly likely those CDNs don't know what their traffic share will be like just yet. The ASN you're seeing pop up is a mid tier, not for delivery. On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:38 PM Mike Hammett <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
but hey... they're getting transit from VZB\MCI\UUNET... so it'll be great!
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com
------------------------------ *From: *"Jon Lewis" <jlewis@lewis.org> *To: *"NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org> *Sent: *Friday, April 26, 2019 4:51:58 PM *Subject: *Re: Disney+ CDN
On Fri, 26 Apr 2019, Ross Tajvar wrote:
Yeah, I'm going to send them an email and see if I can get ahold of their peering policy. I'm hoping they will update it as they get more attention from other networks. They may just be procrastinating setting things up. According to bgp.he.net they are only announcing one v4 /24 and one v6 /48, which could be enough IPs, but seems a little on the small side.
I'd be much more worried about only being on one IX than only advertising a single /24 and /48. I'm guessing they've just not fully fleshed out the peeringdb entry and maybe not fully built out the network infrastructure yet. A CDN, with everything coming from one POP in NY is not going to cut it.
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
I wouldn't expect them to build out anything until they got some usage data to determine the build/buy economics. On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Jared Geiger <jared@compuwizz.net> wrote:
An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO are built on. The bits from the first two come from Akamai and Level3 CDNs. I haven't looked into where HBO Go comes from.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:58 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote:
Have we found out yet if Disney+ will have a CDN? Like Netflix oca, Akamai aanp, google ggc, facebook fna … a Disney isp-located cdn presence ?
disneyplus.com
-Aaron
*From:* NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] *On Behalf Of *Aaron Graves *Sent:* Saturday, December 29, 2018 7:22 PM *To:* nanog@nanog.org *Subject:* Disney+ CDN
Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution once they leave Netflix? Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache server.
AG
Perhaps they are looking to build a hybrid solution? That’s what I would do. According to open job positions at BAMTech, they are looking for engineers to drive “on-premise, cloud, and third party distribution solutions. Working with the latest in streaming video, web serving and caching technologies.” There is also a CDN DevOps position open. https://jobs.disneycareers.com/job/new-york/senior-software-engineer-cdn/391... -Dan Sneddon
On Apr 12, 2019, at 12:34 PM, Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> wrote:
I wouldn't expect them to build out anything until they got some usage data to determine the build/buy economics.
On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 3:02 PM Jared Geiger <jared@compuwizz.net> wrote: An article mentioned BAMTech's platform which is what NHL, MLB, and HBO GO are built on. The bits from the first two come from Akamai and Level3 CDNs. I haven't looked into where HBO Go comes from.
On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:58 PM Aaron Gould <aaron1@gvtc.com> wrote: Have we found out yet if Disney+ will have a CDN? Like Netflix oca, Akamai aanp, google ggc, facebook fna … a Disney isp-located cdn presence ?
disneyplus.com
-Aaron
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Graves Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 7:22 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Disney+ CDN
Anyone know what Disney is planning on doing for streaming content distribution once they leave Netflix? Would be nice if they'd provide an on-prem cache server.
AG
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