The Verge article about Verizon's Sandy Cleanup Efforts in Manhattan
I saw this on Reddit and thought it was fascinating. I figured I'd share it here too since no one else did. http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3655442/restoring-verizon-service-manhatt... Derek
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Derek Ivey <derek@derekivey.com> wrote:
I saw this on Reddit and thought it was fascinating. I figured I'd share it here too since no one else did.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3655442/restoring-verizon-service-manhatt...
hey lookie! 'free uprades'! also, one wonders what the bill is for such upgrades, and what the implications are for state-run-disaster relief vs national-level-disaster-relief? Also, how much of the VZ issue (phone stuff) is going to end up being caught in VZ's financials vs disaster-relief-funds ? -chris
From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com]
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3655442/restoring-verizon-service-m anhattan-hurricane-sandy
hey lookie! 'free uprades'!
[WEG] Better that than "we're going to replace all of this old technology with exactly the same stuff because that's what the standards document says to do" like happened in the rebuilding efforts for Katrina. I remember someone presenting about that rebuilding effort during NANOG years ago, and I asked about opportunities for improvement and upgrades and was really depressed at the missed opportunity it represented as they confirmed that they were in fact laying new copper... Wes George This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM, George, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> wrote:
From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com]
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3655442/restoring-verizon-service-m anhattan-hurricane-sandy
hey lookie! 'free uprades'!
[WEG] Better that than "we're going to replace all of this old technology with exactly the same stuff because that's what the standards document says to do" like happened in the rebuilding efforts for Katrina. I remember someone presenting about that rebuilding effort during NANOG years ago, and I asked about opportunities for improvement and upgrades and was really depressed at the missed opportunity it represented as they confirmed that they were in fact laying new copper...
yea. it's acutally kinda nice that at least from CO -> building now there maybe more highspeed links... and maybe lower long term costs? Also, now VZ can sell the copper to all the rest of us for use in fiber camouflage!
On 11/20/12 9:10 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.lists@gmail.com]
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3655442/restoring-verizon-service-m anhattan-hurricane-sandy
hey lookie! 'free uprades'!
[WEG] Better that than "we're going to replace all of this old technology with exactly the same stuff because that's what the standards document says to do" like happened in the rebuilding efforts for Katrina. I remember someone presenting about that rebuilding effort during NANOG years ago, and I asked about opportunities for improvement and upgrades and was really depressed at the missed opportunity it represented as they confirmed that they were in fact laying new copper... yea. it's acutally kinda nice that at least from CO -> building now
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 11:55 AM, George, Wes <wesley.george@twcable.com> wrote: there maybe more highspeed links... and maybe lower long term costs?
Also, now VZ can sell the copper to all the rest of us for use in fiber camouflage! 1200 pair is 5.5lbs per foot. That's somewhere in the neighborhood of $100k per mile at retail scrap prices.
On 11/20/2012 12:10 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
it's acutally kinda nice that at least from CO -> building now there maybe more highspeed links... and maybe lower long term costs?
Be careful of what you wish for...., Yes, you get fiber from the CO to the Building... however there is also a very big side-effect... Verizon is not obligated to provide equal access to Competitive providers (CLECs) on this Fiber.... Thus, you are also looking a significantly reduced competition..... which is very likely to equate to a higher cost for end users. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:
On 11/20/2012 12:10 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
it's acutally kinda nice that at least from CO -> building now there maybe more highspeed links... and maybe lower long term costs?
Be careful of what you wish for...., Yes, you get fiber from the CO to the Building... however there is also a very big side-effect... Verizon is not obligated to provide equal access to Competitive providers (CLECs) on this Fiber....
Thus, you are also looking a significantly reduced competition..... which is very likely to equate to a higher cost for end users.
right, so in the end vz gets what it wants... a return to monopoly. conspiracy theories about verizon starting the floods?
On 11/20/12 10:20 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:
On 11/20/2012 12:10 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
it's acutally kinda nice that at least from CO -> building now there maybe more highspeed links... and maybe lower long term costs?
Be careful of what you wish for...., Yes, you get fiber from the CO to the Building... however there is also a very big side-effect... Verizon is not obligated to provide equal access to Competitive providers (CLECs) on this Fiber....
Thus, you are also looking a significantly reduced competition..... which is very likely to equate to a higher cost for end users. right, so in the end vz gets what it wants... a return to monopoly.
conspiracy theories about verizon starting the floods? The pressure on the regulatory front doesn't increase until the pain becomes acute...
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:
On 11/20/2012 12:10 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
it's acutally kinda nice that at least from CO -> building now there maybe more highspeed links... and maybe lower long term costs?
Be careful of what you wish for...., Yes, you get fiber from the CO to the Building... however there is also a very big side-effect... Verizon is not obligated to provide equal access to Competitive providers (CLECs) on this Fiber....
Thus, you are also looking a significantly reduced competition..... which is very likely to equate to a higher cost for end users. right, so in the end vz gets what it wants... a return to monopoly.
conspiracy theories about verizon starting the floods? No Conspiracy theories... just the simple facts on where things stand,
On 11/20/2012 1:20 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: based on current regulatory environment. (I / We have no horse in this race....) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom.
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:
On 11/20/2012 1:20 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:
On 11/20/2012 12:10 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
it's acutally kinda nice that at least from CO -> building now there maybe more highspeed links... and maybe lower long term costs?
Be careful of what you wish for...., Yes, you get fiber from the CO to the Building... however there is also a very big side-effect... Verizon is not obligated to provide equal access to Competitive providers (CLECs) on this Fiber....
Thus, you are also looking a significantly reduced competition..... which is very likely to equate to a higher cost for end users.
right, so in the end vz gets what it wants... a return to monopoly.
conspiracy theories about verizon starting the floods?
No Conspiracy theories... just the simple facts on where things stand, based on current regulatory environment. (I / We have no horse in this race....)
apologies, I forgot the emoticons after my last comment. i really did mean it in jest... I don't think VZ has harnessed weather-changing-powers. (yet).
On 11/20/2012 2:58 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:
On 11/20/2012 1:20 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <faisal@snappydsl.net> wrote:
On 11/20/2012 12:10 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote:
it's acutally kinda nice that at least from CO -> building now there maybe more highspeed links... and maybe lower long term costs?
Be careful of what you wish for...., Yes, you get fiber from the CO to the Building... however there is also a very big side-effect... Verizon is not obligated to provide equal access to Competitive providers (CLECs) on this Fiber....
Thus, you are also looking a significantly reduced competition..... which is very likely to equate to a higher cost for end users. right, so in the end vz gets what it wants... a return to monopoly.
conspiracy theories about verizon starting the floods? No Conspiracy theories... just the simple facts on where things stand, based on current regulatory environment. (I / We have no horse in this race....) apologies, I forgot the emoticons after my last comment. i really did mean it in jest... I don't think VZ has harnessed weather-changing-powers. (yet).
No Worries, some of us here are players in the arena, and some of us are spectators.... it is going to be interesting and fascinating at the same time to see how things develop. Faisal Imtiaz
Christopher Morrow wrote:
apologies, I forgot the emoticons after my last comment. i really did mean it in jest... I don't think VZ has harnessed weather-changing-powers. (yet).
Well, they ARE The Phone Company! -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
And they do have those towers all over the country... On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Miles Fidelman <mfidelman@meetinghouse.net> wrote:
Christopher Morrow wrote:
apologies, I forgot the emoticons after my last comment. i really did mean it in jest... I don't think VZ has harnessed weather-changing-powers. (yet).
Well, they ARE The Phone Company!
-- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
-- Kyle Creyts Information Assurance Professional BSidesDetroit Organizer
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Christopher Morrow wrote:
apologies, I forgot the emoticons after my last comment. i really did mean it in jest... I don't think VZ has harnessed weather-changing-powers. (yet).
Well, they ARE The Phone Company!
Makes me want to watch "The President's Analyst" again ;) jms
Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Christopher Morrow wrote:
apologies, I forgot the emoticons after my last comment. i really did mean it in jest... I don't think VZ has harnessed weather-changing-powers. (yet).
Well, they ARE The Phone Company!
Makes me want to watch "The President's Analyst" again ;)
Finally. Someone got the reference. :-) Cheers, Miles p.s. only $2.99 to rent in online, from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/The-Presidents-Analyst-James-Coburn/dp/B0035JNSO8/ref=sr_1_1_vod_0_ren?ie=UTF8&qid=1353945793&sr=8-1 -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. .... Yogi Berra
On 11/26/2012 8:04 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Justin M. Streiner wrote:
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, Miles Fidelman wrote:
Christopher Morrow wrote:
apologies, I forgot the emoticons after my last comment. i really did mean it in jest... I don't think VZ has harnessed weather-changing-powers. (yet).
Well, they ARE The Phone Company!
Makes me want to watch "The President's Analyst" again ;)
Finally. Someone got the reference. :-)
Cheers,
Miles
I alway go for WKRP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTPzTG1Lx60
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On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Derek Ivey <derek@derekivey.com> wrote:
I saw this on Reddit and thought it was fascinating. I figured I'd share it here too since no one else did.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3655442/restoring-verizon-service-manhatt...
hey lookie! 'free upgrades'!
Not having yet read the piece, I assume the "upgrades" are the same thing that you'd get if you tried, today, to warranty a 5 year old 250GB Seagate HD: They'd send you a 750G or 1T, simply because they don't have anything smaller in stock. (If your system is embedded, and won't talk to larger drives, their apologies. :-) It's likely the same thing happens here: we don't have that older gear, so you get the newer stuff with our compliments. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA #natog +1 727 647 1274
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