This came up in another thread yesterday or today, and I just got the solicitation mailer for Clearwire's WiMAX service in Tampa Bay, which they call "4G", though the ITU disagrees. The AUP is here: http://www.clear.com/legal/aup and while it really doesn't have any hidden limits (which is good, because as someone pointed out on Slashdot today, you can use up a 5GB limit in about an hour and a half at 21MB/s), it *does* have several limits on content beyond "must not be illegal" and "must not harm our network"... which limits I though were verboten to a "common carrier". Do the high-speed wireless services *not* claim to be common carriers, as that term is understood in telecommunications law? In other news, the words "voice" and "VoIP" do not appear in the Clear AUP. So, presumably, it would be acceptable to throw their portable access point in your backpack, and carry around a WiFi VoIP phone with you... I don't seem to be able to locate the AUP that Sprint imposes on 4G customers, so I can't tell if it differs. I can't locate the VZW LTE700 AUP either. == In other news (cause it's thread-crossing-weekend on NANOG); Comcast announces 250GB residential cablemodem caps -- 2 years ago: http://gizmodo.com/5043253/comcasts-250gb-data-caps-now-official-starting-in... Cheers, -- jra
This came up in another thread yesterday or today, and I just got the solicitation mailer for Clearwire's WiMAX service in Tampa Bay, which they call "4G", though the ITU disagrees.
The AUP is here: http://www.clear.com/legal/aup
I cannot strongly enough discourage you from using their service. My experience with them has been consistently awful - and given that they're headquartered in my area, that's unacceptable. I'm informed that my experience is not at all unique - either to the Seattle area or to their service at large. Their Wikipedia article tells you pretty much everything you need to know. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwire Their definition of unlimited tends to be "barely acceptable throughput levels, until you start streaming youtube/netflix or doing a long-running download or using bittorrent to seed files to your work PC and laptop or using your VPN to retrieve a document, in which case, we won't turn you off, we'll just silently jail you into a 32-128kbps bandwidth profile. Also, have some poorly implemented NAT on our ludicrously underpowered CPEs!" I also understand that they've been having financial difficulties, so they're unlikely to address the issues their customers are faced with. If I were you, I would keep your backpack offline until another option is available. You're not going to be able to use VOIP on their service, anyways. Nathan (Speaking as an individual - not as the company I work for.)
I would second Nathan's experience. Tried to use them for our corporate office as a life boat when our T1 provider was sold to an outfit that didn't answer the support lines. Clear's NAT is atrocious and can't be turned off, so you can't drop a real firewall behind it on a single static. -J -------- Jason J. W. Williams, COO/CTO DigiTar williamsjj@digitar.com V: 208.343.8520 F: 208.322.8522 M: 208.863.0727 www.digitar.com On Dec 3, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
This came up in another thread yesterday or today, and I just got the solicitation mailer for Clearwire's WiMAX service in Tampa Bay, which they call "4G", though the ITU disagrees.
The AUP is here: http://www.clear.com/legal/aup
I cannot strongly enough discourage you from using their service. My experience with them has been consistently awful - and given that they're headquartered in my area, that's unacceptable. I'm informed that my experience is not at all unique - either to the Seattle area or to their service at large. Their Wikipedia article tells you pretty much everything you need to know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwire
Their definition of unlimited tends to be "barely acceptable throughput levels, until you start streaming youtube/netflix or doing a long-running download or using bittorrent to seed files to your work PC and laptop or using your VPN to retrieve a document, in which case, we won't turn you off, we'll just silently jail you into a 32-128kbps bandwidth profile. Also, have some poorly implemented NAT on our ludicrously underpowered CPEs!"
I also understand that they've been having financial difficulties, so they're unlikely to address the issues their customers are faced with.
If I were you, I would keep your backpack offline until another option is available. You're not going to be able to use VOIP on their service, anyways.
Nathan (Speaking as an individual - not as the company I work for.)
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I must once again give props to UBNT if you want awesome wireless gear for CLOS. For $160 or so, you can get a 60Mb/s link up (Mine is a ~3mi/~5km link using two Nanobridge M5's) They also have 3.65ghz gear as well but is a bit more per unit. This per unit cost starts to put them in the 'nearly disposable' category. (Oh, and it includes the dish and can do MCS-15 if your range is enough). Lookup your local/private towers or buildings where you might be able to get space/colo cheap. It may be easier than you think to get a reliable connection... - Jared On Dec 3, 2010, at 7:01 PM, Jason J. W. Williams wrote:
I would second Nathan's experience. Tried to use them for our corporate office as a life boat when our T1 provider was sold to an outfit that didn't answer the support lines. Clear's NAT is atrocious and can't be turned off, so you can't drop a real firewall behind it on a single static.
-J -------- Jason J. W. Williams, COO/CTO DigiTar williamsjj@digitar.com
V: 208.343.8520 F: 208.322.8522 M: 208.863.0727
www.digitar.com
On Dec 3, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
This came up in another thread yesterday or today, and I just got the solicitation mailer for Clearwire's WiMAX service in Tampa Bay, which they call "4G", though the ITU disagrees.
The AUP is here: http://www.clear.com/legal/aup
I cannot strongly enough discourage you from using their service. My experience with them has been consistently awful - and given that they're headquartered in my area, that's unacceptable. I'm informed that my experience is not at all unique - either to the Seattle area or to their service at large. Their Wikipedia article tells you pretty much everything you need to know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwire
Their definition of unlimited tends to be "barely acceptable throughput levels, until you start streaming youtube/netflix or doing a long-running download or using bittorrent to seed files to your work PC and laptop or using your VPN to retrieve a document, in which case, we won't turn you off, we'll just silently jail you into a 32-128kbps bandwidth profile. Also, have some poorly implemented NAT on our ludicrously underpowered CPEs!"
I also understand that they've been having financial difficulties, so they're unlikely to address the issues their customers are faced with.
If I were you, I would keep your backpack offline until another option is available. You're not going to be able to use VOIP on their service, anyways.
Nathan (Speaking as an individual - not as the company I work for.)
!SIG:4cf9826a241136755510774!
This came up in another thread yesterday or today, and I just got the solicitation mailer for Clearwire's WiMAX service in Tampa Bay, which they call "4G", though the ITU disagrees.
The AUP is here: http://www.clear.com/legal/aup I cannot strongly enough discourage you from using their service. My experience with them has been consistently awful - and given that they're headquartered in my area, that's unacceptable. I'm informed that my experience is not at all unique - either to the Seattle area or to their service at large. Their Wikipedia article tells you pretty much everything you need to know.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearwire
Their definition of unlimited tends to be "barely acceptable throughput levels, until you start streaming youtube/netflix or doing a long-running download or using bittorrent to seed files to your work PC and laptop or using your VPN to retrieve a document, in which case, we won't turn you off, we'll just silently jail you into a 32-128kbps bandwidth profile. Also, have some poorly implemented NAT on our ludicrously underpowered CPEs!"
I also understand that they've been having financial difficulties, so they're unlikely to address the issues their customers are faced with.
If I were you, I would keep your backpack offline until another option is available. You're not going to be able to use VOIP on their service, anyways.
Nathan (Speaking as an individual - not as the company I work for.) My wife's employer(a multinational grocery conglomerate) tried clear for
On 12/3/2010 6:47 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: their internet access as well. It spent more time offline than on. They have since switched that location to 3g cards in the individual machines and vpn back to the home office..:)
On 12/3/10 4:47 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote:
Their definition of unlimited tends to be "barely acceptable throughput levels, until you start streaming youtube/netflix or doing a long-running download or using bittorrent to seed files to your work PC and laptop or using your VPN to retrieve a document, in which case, we won't turn you off, we'll just silently jail you into a 32-128kbps bandwidth profile. Also, have some poorly implemented NAT on our ludicrously underpowered CPEs!"
Biggest problems with the home base station Clear modems from Motorola is that you can't turn off the NAT and just use it as a pass through. I believe with the 'normal' non Clear firmware, its not locked like that. The other fun I noticed with those same modems is that some have come wide open, public facing web ui unprotected with a default password. Yay for 'customer experience'. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org
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