Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
I think is would be short term. The home user is not going to continuously upload data. They will do an initial sync, then incrementals. People are doing this today with success. This is not a new thing. Sent via Blackberry while presumably driving with one hand ----- Original Message ----- From: Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve@eintellego.net> To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Sent: Sat Sep 03 07:20:13 2011 Subject: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers? Hey all, I've been thinking about the impact that iCloud (by Apple) will have on the Internet. My guess is that 99% of consumer internet access is Asymmetrical (DSL, Cable, wireless, etc) and iCloud when launched will 'upload' obscene amounts of gigs of music, tv, backups, email, photos, documents/data and so on to their data centres. Now, don't misunderstand me, I love the concept of iCloud, as I do DropBox, but from an Access Providers perspective, I'm thinking this might be a 'bad thing'. From what I can see there are some key issues: * Users with plans that count upload and download together. * The speed of Asymmetric tail technology such as DSL * The design of access provider backhaul (from DSLAM to core) metrics * The design of some transit metrics So basically the potential issue is that a large residential provider could have thousands of users connect to iCloud, their connections slowed because of uploading data, burning their included bandwidth caps, slowing down the backhaul segment of the network, and as residential providers are mostly download, some purchase transit from their upstreams in an symmetric fashion. This post is really just to prompt discussion if people think there is anything to actually worry about, or there are other implications that I've not really thought of yet. …Skeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve@eintellego.net<mailto:skeeve@eintellego.net> ; www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383 ; Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellego or eintellego@facebook.com<mailto:eintellego@facebook.com> twitter.com/networkceoau ; www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve PO Box 7726, Baulkham Hills, NSW 1755 Australia -- eintellego - The Experts that the Experts call - Juniper - HP Networking - Cisco - Brocade
I was thinking the same thing. People have been dealing with this for years. File sharing has had the same properties in the access networks for years now. Jared Mauch On Sep 3, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net> wrote:
I think is would be short term. The home user is not going to continuously upload data. They will do an initial sync, then incrementals.
People are doing this today with success. This is not a new thing.
I'm not saying that people haven't being doing itŠ Dropbox is an exampleŠ but you add millions of iPads, iPhones, iPod Touches and OSX Lion's out there and that means a hell of a lot of new traffic. ŠSkeeve -- Skeeve Stevens, CEO - eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists skeeve@eintellego.net ; www.eintellego.net Phone: 1300 753 383 ; Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; skype://skeeve facebook.com/eintellego or eintellego@facebook.com twitter.com/networkceoau ; www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve PO Box 7726, Baulkham Hills, NSW 1755 Australia -- eintellego - The Experts that the Experts call - Juniper - HP Networking - Cisco - Brocade -----Original Message----- From: Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 08:55:44 -0400 To: Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net> Cc: Skeeve Stevens <skeeve@eintellego.net>, "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: iCloud - Is it going to hurt access providers?
I was thinking the same thing. People have been dealing with this for years. File sharing has had the same properties in the access networks for years now.
Jared Mauch
On Sep 3, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Alex Rubenstein <alex@corp.nac.net> wrote:
I think is would be short term. The home user is not going to continuously upload data. They will do an initial sync, then incrementals.
People are doing this today with success. This is not a new thing.
I'm not saying that people haven't being doing itŠ Dropbox is an exampleŠ but you add millions of iPads, iPhones, iPod Touches and OSX Lion's out there and that means a hell of a lot of new traffic.
Especially when you're at the end of a small hose. Comparatively. What's Oz's aggregate bandwidth to the US? Will Apple be hosting on-continent? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
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Alex Rubenstein
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