New c-nsp, j-nsp, a-nsp, etc mailing lists
I was a big fan of the *-nsp@puck.nether.net<mailto:*-nsp@puck.nether.net> mailing lists that now seem to be completely gone without any indication of whether or when they might return. I've been considering just setting up new ones. Please email me off-list if you think this might be useful. Thanks, -Drew
NSP-* were retired for a multitude of reasons. Quoting Barry Greene from Jan 10, 2025 on the primary NSP-SEC list:
Many of us are retiring. We’re losing people (we miss Don). We do not have people to be the facilitators/admins - we are just too busy.
Best of all, NSP-SEC pioneered the principle of operational trust, where we collectively work together to tackle security incidents rapidly. Our collaboration builds “Service Provider Security.” We have many other groups that spun out. Our collaboration created ISOI and other “fight club” work.
Thank you to everyone who participated over the decades (yes, it has been decades).
As Barry mentioned, there are spin-off groups that now carry the torch for the work that the original NSP-* lists pioneered. Take a look at FIRST’s NetSec SIG: https://www.first.org/global/sigs/netsec/ -- John Fraizer LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnfraizer/ On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 11:28 AM Drew Weaver via NANOG < nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
I was a big fan of the *-nsp@puck.nether.net<mailto:*-nsp@puck.nether.net> mailing lists that now seem to be completely gone without any indication of whether or when they might return.
I've been considering just setting up new ones.
Please email me off-list if you think this might be useful.
Thanks, -Drew
_______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list
https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/VJF6U6TC...
Am 30.07.2025 um 12:48:51 Uhr schrieb John Fraizer via NANOG:
As Barry mentioned, there are spin-off groups that now carry the torch for the work that the original NSP-* lists pioneered. Take a look at FIRST’s NetSec SIG: https://www.first.org/global/sigs/netsec/
I cannot see any mailing lists there. Did I miss something? -- Gruß Marco Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1753872531muell@cartoonies.org
erp... so... the various 'my hardware/software don't do what i want' *-nsp lists @ puck, were very different from nsp-sec @ puck. Yes, barry spun down (with the community's mostly-support) the nsp-sec list(s). The *-nsp lists appear to still have mailman content on puck.. (I can't say that I've subscribed to any but juniper-nsp over the years? and can't recall where that goes ;() i do see mail logs for cisco-nsp happening today.. I think it's alive, I'd check with Jared though about what's going on? :) On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 2:18 PM Marco Moock via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Am 30.07.2025 um 12:48:51 Uhr schrieb John Fraizer via NANOG:
As Barry mentioned, there are spin-off groups that now carry the torch for the work that the original NSP-* lists pioneered. Take a look at FIRST’s NetSec SIG: https://www.first.org/global/sigs/netsec/
I cannot see any mailing lists there. Did I miss something?
-- Gruß Marco
Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1753872531muell@cartoonies.org _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/NG4AOV5Z...
Perhaps it is simple. Lots of people has moved on to other tools, forums, and communities. That is a good thing. I’m on Cisco-nsp and Juniper-nsp, but don’t see much activity. I tap into other communities when I need help (or fire up my LLMs trained for network engineering). As Chris mentioned, nsp-sec is retired. Most of the old timers are on other more effective tools/communities for TLP: RED and TLP: AMBER collaboration. Some of the original nsp-sec crew are now retired. If you are new to network security and looking for a “vetting path,” apply to get into FIRST NetSec SIG (https://www.first.org/global/sigs/netsec/). Another path is active participation in the NANOG security tracks (don’t just sit there, talk to the speakers and the ones who ask questions). Finally, a shout out to Chris. NSP-SEC was one of the very really “Security Trust Groups.” Chris sharing details of attacks, working to get other operators talking/sharing, and “trusting” that ‘compeditors’ were not going to abuse the trust demonstrated to many that we can have “security trust groups” that take collective action. Thanks Chris.
On Jul 31, 2025, at 08:42, Christopher Morrow via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
erp... so... the various 'my hardware/software don't do what i want' *-nsp lists @ puck, were very different from nsp-sec @ puck.
Yes, barry spun down (with the community's mostly-support) the nsp-sec list(s). The *-nsp lists appear to still have mailman content on puck.. (I can't say that I've subscribed to any but juniper-nsp over the years? and can't recall where that goes ;()
i do see mail logs for cisco-nsp happening today.. I think it's alive, I'd check with Jared though about what's going on? :)
On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 2:18 PM Marco Moock via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Am 30.07.2025 um 12:48:51 Uhr schrieb John Fraizer via NANOG:
As Barry mentioned, there are spin-off groups that now carry the torch for the work that the original NSP-* lists pioneered. Take a look at FIRST’s NetSec SIG: https://www.first.org/global/sigs/netsec/
I cannot see any mailing lists there. Did I miss something?
-- Gruß Marco
Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1753872531muell@cartoonies.org _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/NG4AOV5Z...
_______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/XWCFFN3P...
On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 5:19 PM Barry Greene <bgreene@senki.org> wrote:
Finally, a shout out to Chris. NSP-SEC was one of the very really “Security Trust Groups.” Chris sharing details of attacks, working to get other operators talking/sharing, and “trusting” that ‘compeditors’ were not going to abuse the trust demonstrated to many that we can have “security trust groups” that take collective action. Thanks Chris.
pip-pip! :) Thanks for the years (decades!) of work Barry and all of the other nsp-sec folks (and the folk on juniper-nsp that've helped me more than my share of times :) )
On 7/30/25 22:42, Christopher Morrow via NANOG wrote:
i do see mail logs for cisco-nsp happening today.. I think it's alive, I'd check with Jared though about what's going on? :)
Not sure these are working anymore. Both c-nsp and j-nsp have been quiet for months. I sent a test post, nothing came back. Not even a bounce. Mark.
I've sent yesterday a new subscription to c-nsp, with a new email address. No "confirm-your-email" nor "Welcome" email yet. My old c-nsp subscription stopped working in March 2025 (March 7th I received the last email).
Not sure these are working anymore.
Agree. It feels oddly abandoned. I can understand a shutdown, people spend their own time and money to run these lists - but the subscription web page is still alive. Only nothing seems to happen :-) Marc On Fri, 1 Aug 2025 07:29:17 +0200, Mark Tinka via NANOG wrote:
On 7/30/25 22:42, Christopher Morrow via NANOG wrote:
i do see mail logs for cisco-nsp happening today.. I think it's alive, I'd check with Jared though about what's going on? :)
Not sure these are working anymore. Both c-nsp and j-nsp have been quiet for months.
I sent a test post, nothing came back. Not even a bounce.
Mark. _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list
https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/WYW6MNWZ...
I'm pretty sure I got that monthly email of what your password was in the last month from c-nsp. Which seemed security-wise a little unusual all these years. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Mark Tinka via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Friday, August 1, 2025 1:29 AM To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> Subject: Re: New c-nsp, j-nsp, a-nsp, etc mailing lists On 7/30/25 22:42, Christopher Morrow via NANOG wrote:
i do see mail logs for cisco-nsp happening today.. I think it's alive, I'd check with Jared though about what's going on? :)
Not sure these are working anymore. Both c-nsp and j-nsp have been quiet for months. I sent a test post, nothing came back. Not even a bounce. Mark. _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/WYW6MNWZ 6PWGSXL7RWH6367N43FAANJ6/
March 1st is the last List Information email I have from puck. This is the email from Jared on what was happening. Doesn't appear the restore went so well. Re: outages list badly broken, flooding messages https://seclists.org/nanog/2025/Apr/210 David -- https://dprall.net On 8/1/2025 7:15 AM, Chuck Church via NANOG wrote:
I'm pretty sure I got that monthly email of what your password was in the last month from c-nsp. Which seemed security-wise a little unusual all these years.
Chuck
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Tinka via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Friday, August 1, 2025 1:29 AM To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> Subject: Re: New c-nsp, j-nsp, a-nsp, etc mailing lists
On 7/30/25 22:42, Christopher Morrow via NANOG wrote:
i do see mail logs for cisco-nsp happening today.. I think it's alive, I'd check with Jared though about what's going on? :)
Not sure these are working anymore. Both c-nsp and j-nsp have been quiet for months.
I sent a test post, nothing came back. Not even a bounce.
Mark. _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/WYW6MNWZ 6PWGSXL7RWH6367N43FAANJ6/
_______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/WJCXWJWU...
Its been at least March since a message has hit c-nsp. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Tinka via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Friday, August 1, 2025 8:46 AM To: chuckchurch@gmail.com; 'North American Network Operators Group' <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> Subject: Re: New c-nsp, j-nsp, a-nsp, etc mailing lists On 8/1/25 13:15, chuckchurch@gmail.com wrote:
I'm pretty sure I got that monthly email of what your password was in the last month from c-nsp. Which seemed security-wise a little unusual all these years.
I haven't seen that in months. Mark. _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.nanog.org_archives_list_nanog-40lists.nanog.org_message_EVBCLPEHAGPSHXZJ5ELYDICWFB52VW6T_&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=OPufM5oSy-PFpzfoijO_w76wskMALE1o4LtA3tMGmuw&m=b3yAvoKna6E3nSC7z6YZgCFKsH4MJHqwT9LOnlDwucCAS79En_3hxU1zE8ef1laT&s=Kf8qYiW6Fdb1XSfLdzbXc4L-T8xK23rLA41kO2vmPo0&e=
If they need a new home or resources to host and manage I would be happy to help. I have found the listserv's very helpful over the years. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Tinka via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Friday, August 1, 2025 1:29 AM To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: Mark Tinka <mark@tinka.africa> Subject: Re: New c-nsp, j-nsp, a-nsp, etc mailing lists On 7/30/25 22:42, Christopher Morrow via NANOG wrote:
i do see mail logs for cisco-nsp happening today.. I think it's alive, I'd check with Jared though about what's going on? :)
Not sure these are working anymore. Both c-nsp and j-nsp have been quiet for months. I sent a test post, nothing came back. Not even a bounce. Mark. _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/WYW6MNWZ...
On 7/30/25 11:26 AM, Drew Weaver via NANOG wrote:
I was a big fan of the *-nsp@puck.nether.net<mailto:*-nsp@puck.nether.net> mailing lists that now seem to be completely gone without any indication of whether or when they might return.
I got a reply to the admins. I've been told they are working on fixing it and expect to have it back up by the middle of August at the latest. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Am 01.08.2025 um 12:16:50 Uhr schrieb Bryan Fields via NANOG:
On 7/30/25 11:26 AM, Drew Weaver via NANOG wrote:
I was a big fan of the *-nsp@puck.nether.net<mailto:*-nsp@puck.nether.net> mailing lists that now seem to be completely gone without any indication of whether or when they might return.
I got a reply to the admins. I've been told they are working on fixing it and expect to have it back up by the middle of August at the latest.
Thanks for the good news. -- Gruß Marco Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1754043410muell@cartoonies.org
Am 30.07.2025 um 15:26:51 Uhr schrieb Drew Weaver via NANOG:
I was a big fan of the *-nsp@puck.nether.net<mailto:*-nsp@puck.nether.net> mailing lists that now seem to be completely gone without any indication of whether or when they might return.
I've been considering just setting up new ones.
Another idea: Why not using the newsgroup comp.dcom.sys.cisco? It already exists and is distributed, so no single operator can shut it down. -- Gruß Marco Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1753882011muell@cartoonies.org
Wow Usenet that brings back memories. I did not know if it was still active. -----Original Message----- From: Marco Moock via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2025 3:27 PM To: nanog@lists.nanog.org Cc: Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de> Subject: Re: New c-nsp, j-nsp, a-nsp, etc mailing lists Am 30.07.2025 um 15:26:51 Uhr schrieb Drew Weaver via NANOG:
I was a big fan of the *-nsp@puck.nether.net<mailto:*-nsp@puck.nether.net> mailing lists that now seem to be completely gone without any indication of whether or when they might return.
I've been considering just setting up new ones.
Another idea: Why not using the newsgroup comp.dcom.sys.cisco? It already exists and is distributed, so no single operator can shut it down. -- Gruß Marco Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1753882011muell@cartoonies.org
Am 09.08.2025 um 19:31:36 Uhr schrieb Ryan Finnesey:
Wow Usenet that brings back memories. I did not know if it was still active.
It is and I use it very often. Free access for text groups is available for free on certain servers like eternal-september or solani.org. -- Gruß Marco Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1754760696muell@cartoonies.org
Why not using the newsgroup comp.dcom.sys.cisco?
1. Nobody wants to pay for USENET access anymore , unless you're ripping software/media. 2. Free USENET access generally has poor retention and often misses large chunks of messages. It's just extra work for more limited and inconsistent access , compared to the puck mailing lists which have operated very well for decades now, only seeing a recent hiccup because of a server death. On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 3:27 PM Marco Moock via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Am 30.07.2025 um 15:26:51 Uhr schrieb Drew Weaver via NANOG:
I was a big fan of the *-nsp@puck.nether.net<mailto:*-nsp@puck.nether.net> mailing lists that now seem to be completely gone without any indication of whether or when they might return.
I've been considering just setting up new ones.
Another idea:
Why not using the newsgroup comp.dcom.sys.cisco?
It already exists and is distributed, so no single operator can shut it down.
-- Gruß Marco
Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1753882011muell@cartoonies.org _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list
https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/2D4GUMNK...
Huh? I use free Usenet service for c.o.vms just fine .: Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Tom Beecher via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2025 8:32:40 AM To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog@lists.nanog.org> Cc: Marco Moock <mm@dorfdsl.de>; Tom Beecher <beecher@beecher.cc> Subject: Re: New c-nsp, j-nsp, a-nsp, etc mailing lists
Why not using the newsgroup comp.dcom.sys.cisco?
1. Nobody wants to pay for USENET access anymore , unless you're ripping software/media. 2. Free USENET access generally has poor retention and often misses large chunks of messages. It's just extra work for more limited and inconsistent access , compared to the puck mailing lists which have operated very well for decades now, only seeing a recent hiccup because of a server death. On Sat, Aug 9, 2025 at 3:27 PM Marco Moock via NANOG <nanog@lists.nanog.org> wrote:
Am 30.07.2025 um 15:26:51 Uhr schrieb Drew Weaver via NANOG:
I was a big fan of the *-nsp@puck.nether.net<mailto:*-nsp@puck.nether.net> mailing lists that now seem to be completely gone without any indication of whether or when they might return.
I've been considering just setting up new ones.
Another idea:
Why not using the newsgroup comp.dcom.sys.cisco?
It already exists and is distributed, so no single operator can shut it down.
-- Gruß Marco
Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1753882011muell@cartoonies.org _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list
https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/2D4GUMNK...
NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog@lists.nanog.org/message/C3G5CG3S...
Am 10.08.2025 um 08:32:40 Uhr schrieb Tom Beecher:
1. Nobody wants to pay for USENET access anymore , unless you're ripping software/media. 2. Free USENET access generally has poor retention and often misses large chunks of messages.
Free access with retention of multiple years exists. Archives also exist. -- Gruß Marco Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1754807560muell@cartoonies.org
On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 05:33:44PM +0100, Marco Moock via NANOG wrote:
Am 30.07.2025 um 15:26:51 Uhr schrieb Drew Weaver via NANOG:
I've been considering just setting up new ones.
What's the current situation on this?
They should be working. - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
Ok, now it's fixed. mumble mumble systemd. - jared On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 11:44:14AM -0500, Jared Mauch wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2025 at 05:33:44PM +0100, Marco Moock via NANOG wrote:
Am 30.07.2025 um 15:26:51 Uhr schrieb Drew Weaver via NANOG:
I've been considering just setting up new ones.
What's the current situation on this?
They should be working.
- Jared
-- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
-- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
participants (14)
-
Barry Greene -
Bryan Fields -
Christopher Morrow -
chuckchurch＠gmail.com -
David Prall -
Drew Weaver -
Gary Sparkes -
Jared Mauch -
John Fraizer -
Marc Binderberger -
Marco Moock -
Mark Tinka -
Ryan Finnesey -
Tom Beecher