My strategy, should I remember it tomorrow: We have a business-class FIOS connection where I work and a static IP as well. At least three people who work here have FIOS at home. I've read rumors about business class customers who really work their phone sex getting native ipv6, and I also heard somethin about static ip's. So I'll try that, and also mention that "we're transitioning our employees who remote in from home to FIOS but we'd like ipv6 for ... VPN purposes, NAT traversal, etc ..." I mean, that should get them a little wet right? I have a bit of a hairbrained theory that the reason ISP's have stagnated on ipv6 has to do with relationship between capitalism and scarcity. Having a limited quantity of anything makes it more valuable. Why wouldn't that apply to IP's?
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014, Tristan Lear wrote:
We have a business-class FIOS connection where I work and a static IP as well. At least three people who work here have FIOS at home. I've read rumors about business class customers who really work their phone sex getting native ipv6, and I also heard somethin about static ip's. So I'll try that, and also mention that "we're transitioning our employees who remote in from home to FIOS but we'd like ipv6 for ... VPN purposes, NAT traversal, etc ..." I mean, that should get them a little wet right?
Not likely. Verizon is a very expensive date, so you *really* have to open the wallet to make that kind of impression, and by that point, you're working with VZ Enterprise, which is what used to be UUNET, where v6 is easy to get, so the point ends up being moot.
I have a bit of a hairbrained theory that the reason ISP's have stagnated on ipv6 has to do with relationship between capitalism and scarcity. Having a limited quantity of anything makes it more valuable. Why wouldn't that apply to IP's?
I doubt it's anything quite so nefarious, though VZ trying to figure out how to monetize their IPv6 rollout is certainly a possibility. I've heard all sorts of BS answers as to why there is no v6 for FIOS, such as: 1. "We're having problems getting it to work on our set-top boxes." So go dual-stack and let the set-top boxes stay v4 until the problem gets worked out. VZ has already stated that dual-stack is the way thry're going to do it. 2. "We have plenty of IPv4 space." Perhaps today, yes, but that misses the point entirely. jms
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Justin M. Streiner <streiner@cluebyfour.org> wrote:
I've heard all sorts of BS answers as to why there is no v6 for FIOS,
Step 1. Ask an ALU sales droid about their IPv6 support on PON Step 2. Be disappointed by the answer Step 3. Stroke chin or beard thoughtfully while enjoying the epiphany about why FiOS doesn't do IPv6 yet Bonus - enjoy complementary epiphany about why AT&T uVerse uses 6RD Drive Slow, Paul
Good luck. We've been bitching at our sales rep for years, as we've added circuits, and haven't gotten even empty promises; just the same endless Verizon BS about "it's being tested in select markets" although no one has ever been able to prove that to be the case. You definitely get static IP's on business connections; that's just a matter of how much you pay and how many you need. David -----Original Message----- From: Tristan Lear [mailto:trissypissy@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:45 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Verizon FIOS IPv6? My strategy, should I remember it tomorrow: We have a business-class FIOS connection where I work and a static IP as well. At least three people who work here have FIOS at home. I've read rumors about business class customers who really work their phone sex getting native ipv6, and I also heard somethin about static ip's. So I'll try that, and also mention that "we're transitioning our employees who remote in from home to FIOS but we'd like ipv6 for ... VPN purposes, NAT traversal, etc ..." I mean, that should get them a little wet right? I have a bit of a hairbrained theory that the reason ISP's have stagnated on ipv6 has to do with relationship between capitalism and scarcity. Having a limited quantity of anything makes it more valuable. Why wouldn't that apply to IP's?
I echo the 'good luck' and ditto on the experience. There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to be precious little movement over there. * David Hubbard (dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com) wrote:
Good luck. We've been bitching at our sales rep for years, as we've added circuits, and haven't gotten even empty promises; just the same endless Verizon BS about "it's being tested in select markets" although no one has ever been able to prove that to be the case. You definitely get static IP's on business connections; that's just a matter of how much you pay and how many you need.
David
-----Original Message----- From: Tristan Lear [mailto:trissypissy@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:45 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Verizon FIOS IPv6?
My strategy, should I remember it tomorrow:
We have a business-class FIOS connection where I work and a static IP as well. At least three people who work here have FIOS at home. I've read rumors about business class customers who really work their phone sex getting native ipv6, and I also heard somethin about static ip's. So I'll try that, and also mention that "we're transitioning our employees who remote in from home to FIOS but we'd like ipv6 for ... VPN purposes, NAT traversal, etc ..." I mean, that should get them a little wet right?
I have a bit of a hairbrained theory that the reason ISP's have stagnated on ipv6 has to do with relationship between capitalism and scarcity. Having a limited quantity of anything makes it more valuable. Why wouldn't that apply to IP's?
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 09:18:08PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
I echo the 'good luck' and ditto on the experience.
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to be precious little movement over there.
* David Hubbard (dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com) wrote:
Good luck. We've been bitching at our sales rep for years, as we've added circuits, and haven't gotten even empty promises; just the same endless Verizon BS about "it's being tested in select markets" although no one has ever been able to prove that to be the case. You definitely get static IP's on business connections; that's just a matter of how much you pay and how many you need.
David
Another ditto :) I think they are Defnitely milking their highway robbery IPV4 allocation costs. Confidence is low for IPV6 from FIOS anytime soon. -- Bryan G. Seitz
On Thu, 27 Feb 2014, Bryan Seitz wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 09:18:08PM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote:
I echo the 'good luck' and ditto on the experience.
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to be precious little movement over there.
I've been fighting this battle for as long as I've had FIOS (about a year and a half), with no end in sight. Front-line reps don't know the situation, and I don't fault them for that. Getting a hold of anyone who comment with anything approaching authority has been impossible. In the meantime, I will continue using my tunnel through HE, which works great (kudos to HE). jms
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> wrote:
I echo the 'good luck' and ditto on the experience.
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to be precious little movement over there.
it really is just an embarrassment :( perhaps shame will work to motivate them instead?
* David Hubbard (dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com) wrote:
Good luck. We've been bitching at our sales rep for years, as we've added circuits, and haven't gotten even empty promises; just the same endless Verizon BS about "it's being tested in select markets" although no one has ever been able to prove that to be the case. You definitely get static IP's on business connections; that's just a matter of how much you pay and how many you need.
David
-----Original Message----- From: Tristan Lear [mailto:trissypissy@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:45 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Verizon FIOS IPv6?
My strategy, should I remember it tomorrow:
We have a business-class FIOS connection where I work and a static IP as well. At least three people who work here have FIOS at home. I've read rumors about business class customers who really work their phone sex getting native ipv6, and I also heard somethin about static ip's. So I'll try that, and also mention that "we're transitioning our employees who remote in from home to FIOS but we'd like ipv6 for ... VPN purposes, NAT traversal, etc ..." I mean, that should get them a little wet right?
I have a bit of a hairbrained theory that the reason ISP's have stagnated on ipv6 has to do with relationship between capitalism and scarcity. Having a limited quantity of anything makes it more valuable. Why wouldn't that apply to IP's?
* Christopher Morrow (morrowc.lists@gmail.com) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> wrote:
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to be precious little movement over there.
it really is just an embarrassment :(
Oh, I agree, and the old UUNET folks (whose side of that house has had this done for, uh, forever...) should really take ownership and scream bloody murder at the FIOS people to either get their $h1t together or get out of the way.
perhaps shame will work to motivate them instead?
It hasn't worked thus far, though I admit, I've been tempted more than once to call them and threaten that I'm going to switch to Comcast, if it wasn't such a laughable idea. :/ Thanks, Stephen
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> wrote:
* Christopher Morrow (morrowc.lists@gmail.com) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> wrote:
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to be precious little movement over there.
it really is just an embarrassment :(
Oh, I agree, and the old UUNET folks (whose side of that house has had this done for, uh, forever...) should really take ownership and scream bloody murder at the FIOS people to either get their $h1t together or get out of the way.
most of them did this, like 5+ yrs ago :( when they stopped being listened to, they left. (most of them)
perhaps shame will work to motivate them instead?
It hasn't worked thus far, though I admit, I've been tempted more than once to call them and threaten that I'm going to switch to Comcast, if it wasn't such a laughable idea. :/
Thanks,
Stephen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> wrote:
* Christopher Morrow (morrowc.lists@gmail.com) wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net> wrote:
There's a lot of people anxious to get IPv6 on FIOS, but there seems to be precious little movement over there.
it really is just an embarrassment :(
Oh, I agree, and the old UUNET folks (whose side of that house has had this done for, uh, forever...) should really take ownership and scream bloody murder at the FIOS people to either get their $h1t together or get out of the way.
most of them did this, like 5+ yrs ago :( when they stopped being listened to, they left. (most of them)
perhaps shame will work to motivate them instead?
It hasn't worked thus far, though I admit, I've been tempted more than once to call them and threaten that I'm going to switch to Comcast, if it wasn't such a laughable idea. :/
Well, for the record, I don't expect anything at all out of Vzn, since they got it made illegal for munis to own fiber in all or part of 19 states, at least in large part on the basis of promises that they wouldn't cherry pick in their FiOS rollouts... and then went and did just that; it's public record they did their last deployment in 2010, and they have no plans to do any more. Unless, of couse, some muni or Google moves into somewhere to roll out; *then* they'll be right there on your doorstep applying for trenching permits. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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