DHS letters for fuel and facility access
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority. Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
Fuel priority? They expecting shortage and/or power outages? -James On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 4:21 PM Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:24 PM, james jones <james.voip@gmail.com> wrote:
Fuel priority? They expecting shortage and/or power outages?
I suspect it’s more to solve issues with truck drivers going to work and their job is to deliver fuel. Some areas have been instituting curfews and this would satisfy the local authorities who may stop such a driver. - Jared
Got it! Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:24 PM, james jones <james.voip@gmail.com> wrote:
Fuel priority? They expecting shortage and/or power outages?
I suspect it’s more to solve issues with truck drivers going to work and their job is to deliver fuel. Some areas have been instituting curfews and this would satisfy the local authorities who may stop such a driver.
- Jared
Its a form letter. Same letter is printed no matter what disaster its for. I don't think they are expecting power outages (unless there is a co-disaster at the same time). Its just the standard form. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020, james jones wrote:
Fuel priority? They expecting shortage and/or power outages? -James
On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 4:21 PM Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
In response to a snarky question offlist. Yes, the DHS letters are just copies. Yes, the DHS letters are easy to counterfeit. Not a lawyer, but counterfeiting an official federal document during a national state of emergency likely violates many federal and state laws. DON'T DO IT. On Mon, 16 Mar 2020, Sean Donelan wrote:
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
I get that thanks, wasn’t trying to be snarky just genuinely curious. Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:46 PM, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
In response to a snarky question offlist. Yes, the DHS letters are just copies. Yes, the DHS letters are easy to counterfeit.
Not a lawyer, but counterfeiting an official federal document during a national state of emergency likely violates many federal and state laws.
DON'T DO IT.
On Mon, 16 Mar 2020, Sean Donelan wrote: On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
We (Verizon not me) lost a central office during 9/11 because it ran out of fuel - the tankers were staged but we’re not allowed to enter Manhattan. This clears that pathway for us now, and it’s fairly standard protocol since. -Ben
On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
That same fuel shortage killed all Internet traffic to sub-Saharan Africa. Took us a while to figure out what was wrong with the satellite link to the US. paul
On Mar 16, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
We (Verizon not me) lost a central office during 9/11 because it ran out of fuel - the tankers were staged but we’re not allowed to enter Manhattan.
This clears that pathway for us now, and it’s fairly standard protocol since.
-Ben
On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
September 2001. Just after the 9/11 attacks, all of lower Manhattan was shut down. Out link (IIRC) was to a satellite farm on Staten island, across the bay to 60 Hudson. Power went off, diesels kicked in, fuel trucks was not allowed in, and a few days later we lost all international connectivity. Lots of important people lost power as well, so the feds decided to let the diesel tankers in after a few days’ deliberations. paul
On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
On 17/Mar/20 17:15, Paul Nash wrote:
That same fuel shortage killed all Internet traffic to sub-Saharan Africa. Took us a while to figure out what was wrong with the satellite link to the US.
What year was that :-)?
Mark.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul Nash <paul@nashnetworks.ca> wrote:
September 2001. Just after the 9/11 attacks, all of lower Manhattan was shut down. Out link (IIRC) was to a satellite farm on Staten island, across the bay to 60 Hudson. Power went off, diesels kicked in, fuel trucks was not allowed in, and a few days later we lost all international connectivity.
We had some interesting failures during 9/11 as well -- for some reason, the UPS didn't kick in, so everything went down - and then came back a few minutes later as the generators came online -- and then went down again ~2 hours later -- turns out that the genset air filters got clogged with dust, and suffocated the diesel. This was "fixed" a few days later by brushing them off with brooms and paintbrushes -- by this point they had completely discharged the 24V starter batteries, and so someone (not me!) had to lug a pair of car batteries and jumper cables. They restarted, and ran for a while, and then stopped again. It turns out that getting a permit to store lots of diesel on the roof is hard (fair enough), and so there was only a small holding tank on the roof, and the primary tanks were in the basement -- and the transfer pump from the basement to roof storage was not, as we had been told, on generator power.... We had specified that the transfer pump be on the generator feed, there was a schematic showing at is being on the generator feed, there was even a breaker with a cable marked "Transfer Pump (HP4,5)" --- but it turned out to just be a ~3ft piece of cable stuffed into a conduit, and not actually, you know, running all the way down to the basement and connected to the transfer pump. W
Lots of important people lost power as well, so the feds decided to let the diesel tankers in after a few days’ deliberations.
paul
On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
On 17/Mar/20 17:15, Paul Nash wrote:
That same fuel shortage killed all Internet traffic to sub-Saharan Africa. Took us a while to figure out what was wrong with the satellite link to the US.
What year was that :-)?
Mark.
-- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf
Good reminder to test, test, test... -----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:08 AM To: Paul Nash <paul@nashnetworks.ca> Cc: Untitled 3 <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: DHS letters for fuel and facility access On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul Nash <paul@nashnetworks.ca> wrote:
September 2001. Just after the 9/11 attacks, all of lower Manhattan was shut down. Out link (IIRC) was to a satellite farm on Staten island, across the bay to 60 Hudson. Power went off, diesels kicked in, fuel trucks was not allowed in, and a few days later we lost all international connectivity.
We had some interesting failures during 9/11 as well -- for some reason, the UPS didn't kick in, so everything went down - and then came back a few minutes later as the generators came online -- and then went down again ~2 hours later -- turns out that the genset air filters got clogged with dust, and suffocated the diesel. This was "fixed" a few days later by brushing them off with brooms and paintbrushes -- by this point they had completely discharged the 24V starter batteries, and so someone (not me!) had to lug a pair of car batteries and jumper cables. They restarted, and ran for a while, and then stopped again. It turns out that getting a permit to store lots of diesel on the roof is hard (fair enough), and so there was only a small holding tank on the roof, and the primary tanks were in the basement -- and the transfer pump from the basement to roof storage was not, as we had been told, on generator power.... We had specified that the transfer pump be on the generator feed, there was a schematic showing at is being on the generator feed, there was even a breaker with a cable marked "Transfer Pump (HP4,5)" --- but it turned out to just be a ~3ft piece of cable stuffed into a conduit, and not actually, you know, running all the way down to the basement and connected to the transfer pump. W
Lots of important people lost power as well, so the feds decided to let the diesel tankers in after a few days’ deliberations.
paul
On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
On 17/Mar/20 17:15, Paul Nash wrote:
That same fuel shortage killed all Internet traffic to sub-Saharan Africa. Took us a while to figure out what was wrong with the satellite link to the US.
What year was that :-)?
Mark.
-- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, notify the sender immediately by return email and delete the message and any attachments from your system.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 1:21 PM Hiers, David <David.Hiers@cdk.com> wrote:
Good reminder to test, test, test...
Indeed -- and we had tested, multiple times. Unfortunately, the only realistic way we would have found this would have been to kill power to the building and run on generators for many hours, and then, likely, we would only have discovered it when the gensets ran out of power and fell over. IIRC, there is (or was) some noise and pollution regulations in NYC where you could only run generators for short periods of time (30min?) unless it was an actual emergency. I also seem to remember something about having to test at night, probably also for noise... But, yes, regular testing is clearly a good practice - but so is having a good BCP/DR plan (which you also test :-) W
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:08 AM To: Paul Nash <paul@nashnetworks.ca> Cc: Untitled 3 <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: DHS letters for fuel and facility access
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul Nash <paul@nashnetworks.ca> wrote:
September 2001. Just after the 9/11 attacks, all of lower Manhattan was shut down. Out link (IIRC) was to a satellite farm on Staten island, across the bay to 60 Hudson. Power went off, diesels kicked in, fuel trucks was not allowed in, and a few days later we lost all international connectivity.
We had some interesting failures during 9/11 as well -- for some reason, the UPS didn't kick in, so everything went down - and then came back a few minutes later as the generators came online -- and then went down again ~2 hours later -- turns out that the genset air filters got clogged with dust, and suffocated the diesel. This was "fixed" a few days later by brushing them off with brooms and paintbrushes -- by this point they had completely discharged the 24V starter batteries, and so someone (not me!) had to lug a pair of car batteries and jumper cables. They restarted, and ran for a while, and then stopped again.
It turns out that getting a permit to store lots of diesel on the roof is hard (fair enough), and so there was only a small holding tank on the roof, and the primary tanks were in the basement -- and the transfer pump from the basement to roof storage was not, as we had been told, on generator power....
We had specified that the transfer pump be on the generator feed, there was a schematic showing at is being on the generator feed, there was even a breaker with a cable marked "Transfer Pump (HP4,5)" --- but it turned out to just be a ~3ft piece of cable stuffed into a conduit, and not actually, you know, running all the way down to the basement and connected to the transfer pump.
W
Lots of important people lost power as well, so the feds decided to let the diesel tankers in after a few days’ deliberations.
paul
On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
On 17/Mar/20 17:15, Paul Nash wrote:
That same fuel shortage killed all Internet traffic to sub-Saharan Africa. Took us a while to figure out what was wrong with the satellite link to the US.
What year was that :-)?
Mark.
-- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf
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-- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf
At my work place there is enough generators, fuel generators. There is enough time to power things down properly. The IT infra seems to be working ok, although some remote workers complain about a few things about VPN. There is however worry that the IT infra might not keep up, or that not all employees might have access to emails. To address that, they have built a website facing to the Internet with internal announcement info to employees. They have also created a registry where the employees record their external email addresses so we receive internal announcements but on external email addresses, a thing which was more or less prohibited in normal times by IT policy. The internal emergency phone number (two digit phone number only available to internals only by landline) has just been shut down. The info circulated announcing it so. IT is standard procedure in case of issues. My desk voicemail is still active and I can consult it remotely, but not sure for how long. The re-start of desk power typically resets the phone and I lose voicemail forever. I expect that re-start of desk power in a few weeks or so, part of standard procedure to re-start power routinely. But I dont expect me to go to my desk any time since now in one month to press the button on the phone to set the voicemail active. Alex Le 17/03/2020 à 18:21, Hiers, David a écrit :
Good reminder to test, test, test...
-----Original Message----- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Warren Kumari Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:08 AM To: Paul Nash <paul@nashnetworks.ca> Cc: Untitled 3 <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: DHS letters for fuel and facility access
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:44 PM Paul Nash <paul@nashnetworks.ca> wrote:
September 2001. Just after the 9/11 attacks, all of lower Manhattan was shut down. Out link (IIRC) was to a satellite farm on Staten island, across the bay to 60 Hudson. Power went off, diesels kicked in, fuel trucks was not allowed in, and a few days later we lost all international connectivity. We had some interesting failures during 9/11 as well -- for some reason, the UPS didn't kick in, so everything went down - and then came back a few minutes later as the generators came online -- and then went down again ~2 hours later -- turns out that the genset air filters got clogged with dust, and suffocated the diesel. This was "fixed" a few days later by brushing them off with brooms and paintbrushes -- by this point they had completely discharged the 24V starter batteries, and so someone (not me!) had to lug a pair of car batteries and jumper cables. They restarted, and ran for a while, and then stopped again.
It turns out that getting a permit to store lots of diesel on the roof is hard (fair enough), and so there was only a small holding tank on the roof, and the primary tanks were in the basement -- and the transfer pump from the basement to roof storage was not, as we had been told, on generator power....
We had specified that the transfer pump be on the generator feed, there was a schematic showing at is being on the generator feed, there was even a breaker with a cable marked "Transfer Pump (HP4,5)" --- but it turned out to just be a ~3ft piece of cable stuffed into a conduit, and not actually, you know, running all the way down to the basement and connected to the transfer pump.
W
Lots of important people lost power as well, so the feds decided to let the diesel tankers in after a few days’ deliberations.
paul
On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:21 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka@seacom.mu> wrote:
On 17/Mar/20 17:15, Paul Nash wrote:
That same fuel shortage killed all Internet traffic to sub-Saharan Africa. Took us a while to figure out what was wrong with the satellite link to the US. What year was that :-)?
Mark.
-- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf
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On 3/17/20 11:35 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
But I dont expect me to go to my desk any time since now in one month to press the button on the phone to set the voicemail active.
My office had problems with multiple workstations needing someone to kick them. My team had someone volunteer to go in and kick multiple machines to get the rest of my team back online. I would be surprised if it's not possible to get someone to go poke a button on your phone. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020, Grant Taylor wrote:
On 3/17/20 11:35 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
But I dont expect me to go to my desk any time since now in one month to press the button on the phone to set the voicemail active.
My office had problems with multiple workstations needing someone to kick them. My team had someone volunteer to go in and kick multiple machines to get the rest of my team back online.
Given it is only a signal to the switch I'd be surprised if it cannot be toggled via an admin interface. Still, someone to go in and diddle a PHY or six sounds quite workable. /mark
On 3/17/20 11:35 AM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
But I dont expect me to go to my desk any time since now in one month to press the button on the phone to set the voicemail active.
My office had problems with multiple workstations needing someone to kick them. My team had someone volunteer to go in and kick multiple machines to get the rest of my team back online. I would be surprised if it's not possible to get someone to go poke a button on your phone. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
On 17/Mar/20 19:08, Warren Kumari wrote:
We had specified that the transfer pump be on the generator feed, there was a schematic showing at is being on the generator feed, there was even a breaker with a cable marked "Transfer Pump (HP4,5)" --- but it turned out to just be a ~3ft piece of cable stuffed into a conduit, and not actually, you know, running all the way down to the basement and connected to the transfer pump.
It's the things you rarely think about. The Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant backup generator situation comes to mind as well. Mark.
An untested emergency system has to be regarded as a non-existent emergency system. No matter how painful it is to test, no matter how expensive it is to test, the pain and the expense are nothing compared to the pain and expense of having an actual emergency and discovering that the emergency system doesn't work... Multiplied by infinity if it costs lives. Regards, K. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@biplane.com.au) http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer http://twitter.com/kauer389 GPG fingerprint: 2561 E9EC D868 E73C 8AF1 49CF EE50 4B1D CCA1 5170 Old fingerprint: 8D08 9CAA 649A AFEF E862 062A 2E97 42D4 A2A0 616D
You just have to make sure that you test the right thing. In a former life I was an electrical engineer. My first job was with a consulting engineering firm; out biggest customer was the biggest supermarket chain in South Africa. One of my tasks was to travel to one of their stores each Saturday after closing (those were the days when they closed at noon on a Saturday until Monday morning) and test their stand generators. The manager’s idea was usually to press the start button, check that the big diesel started, then shut down and go home. My idea was to pull the main incoming breaker. 9 times out of 10 on first visit, the diesel would start, and then die as soon as the load kicked in because of carbon buildup in the cylinders. After discussions with the supermarket management, they decided to (a) have all the diesels serviced ASAP, and (b) adopt my protocol of start diesel, wait for it to come under load, run for at least 30 minutes to get up to heat and clear the carbon deposits. I use a similar technique for failover tests on servers, routers, firewalls — pull the power cord and see what happens, pull the incoming network and see what happens. This was stymied by a recent network outage where the ISP network was up and running, connected back to their local PoP and thence to their backbone, but connectivity from that network to the critical servers was down. So now we test end-to-end that the server is reachable, and let the network fail over if not. paul
On Mar 18, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Karl Auer <kauer@biplane.com.au> wrote:
An untested emergency system has to be regarded as a non-existent emergency system.
No matter how painful it is to test, no matter how expensive it is to test, the pain and the expense are nothing compared to the pain and expense of having an actual emergency and discovering that the emergency system doesn't work...
Multiplied by infinity if it costs lives.
Regards, K.
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@biplane.com.au) http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer http://twitter.com/kauer389
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It flabbergasts me to no end that nobody simulated the actual incident they are guarding against. But I guess that’s why we run telecom companies. Diesel piston generators need to be run for 30min every 30 (absent engineer calcs permitting lower, but, why). You should also consider a pull and re-strike on that breaker 3 times. Most transmission level circuit breakers will auto-retry 3x then quit if they trip each time. Your ATS should smooth this, but that function needs to get tested too. Things you learn in heavy civil construction that you don’t necessarily learn in telecom even. -Ben
On Mar 18, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Paul Nash <paul@nashnetworks.ca> wrote:
You just have to make sure that you test the right thing.
In a former life I was an electrical engineer. My first job was with a consulting engineering firm; out biggest customer was the biggest supermarket chain in South Africa. One of my tasks was to travel to one of their stores each Saturday after closing (those were the days when they closed at noon on a Saturday until Monday morning) and test their stand generators.
The manager’s idea was usually to press the start button, check that the big diesel started, then shut down and go home. My idea was to pull the main incoming breaker. 9 times out of 10 on first visit, the diesel would start, and then die as soon as the load kicked in because of carbon buildup in the cylinders.
After discussions with the supermarket management, they decided to (a) have all the diesels serviced ASAP, and (b) adopt my protocol of start diesel, wait for it to come under load, run for at least 30 minutes to get up to heat and clear the carbon deposits.
I use a similar technique for failover tests on servers, routers, firewalls — pull the power cord and see what happens, pull the incoming network and see what happens.
This was stymied by a recent network outage where the ISP network was up and running, connected back to their local PoP and thence to their backbone, but connectivity from that network to the critical servers was down. So now we test end-to-end that the server is reachable, and let the network fail over if not.
paul
On Mar 18, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Karl Auer <kauer@biplane.com.au> wrote:
An untested emergency system has to be regarded as a non-existent emergency system.
No matter how painful it is to test, no matter how expensive it is to test, the pain and the expense are nothing compared to the pain and expense of having an actual emergency and discovering that the emergency system doesn't work...
Multiplied by infinity if it costs lives.
Regards, K.
-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Karl Auer (kauer@biplane.com.au) http://www.biplane.com.au/kauer http://twitter.com/kauer389
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I remember an anecdote during 9/11 about a fuel truck being stopped, I think the line was Houston St, someone found an empty fuel truck on the other side and convinced the natl guard or whoever it was to let them transfer the diesel from one truck to the other across the line and get the fuel where it was needed. Whatever works I guess. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die | bzs@TheWorld.com | http://www.TheWorld.com Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*
On 17/Mar/20 18:44, Paul Nash wrote:
September 2001. Just after the 9/11 attacks, all of lower Manhattan was shut down. Out link (IIRC) was to a satellite farm on Staten island, across the bay to 60 Hudson. Power went off, diesels kicked in, fuel trucks was not allowed in, and a few days later we lost all international connectivity.
Lots of important people lost power as well, so the feds decided to let the diesel tankers in after a few days’ deliberations.
Ah, okay. That must have been unique to South Africa, I imagine? My recollection during that month was we still had connectivity. We routed our services via PanAmSat's PAS-3R (which later became Intelsat 3R after the acquisition) and landed in their Atlanta teleport. We weren't impacted, in Uganda, at the time, nor I recall any other outages in Kenya, Tanzania or Rwanda either. I'm reminded how, from Uganda, PAS-3R was such a shallow bird, ±6° :-). Mark.
Does anyone know who to contact at DHS to see about getting a letter like this for an operator?
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
WISPA has the letters available in the Members Section of the website. Keefe John CEO Ethoplex Direct: 262.345.5200 -------------------- Ethoplex Business Internet http://www.ethoplex.com/ Signal Residential Internet http://www.signalisp.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/ On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:33 AM Matt Hoppes < mattlists@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
Does anyone know who to contact at DHS to see about getting a letter like this for an operator?
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
As an ex-broadcaster, I have never seen one of these letters. Even during our 1989 earthquake. In fact, I knew of one station that ordered a genset as power was down after the earthquake for several days and it was commandeered by LE as they were being driven to the transmitter site, three times! Three different gensets! On 3/16/20 1:20 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
The SF Bay Area shelter in place rules specifically exempt news media, telecommunications and internet including infrastructure services thereof (presumably large internet companies, network and security vendors, etc), fuel deliveries. I could use infrastructure vendors excuse but $current_client_company is on mandatory WFH for next five weeks and team had filtered out doing it informally before it became official. I’d name the company but someone might contact me for an emergency and I have nothing to do with the customer incidents team. I don’t even know who to forward stuff to. Suffice it to say that everyone doing network security infra at all the vendors is being as safe as possible under the circumstances. We’re trying to keep all the lights on for you. -George Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
It’s true, we’re all here, and we’re standing by. Also if anyone on NANOG needs something we can do, please reach out to me via email and I will make it happen. You’re not alone during times of crisis. -Ben. -Ben Cannon CEO 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC ben@6by7.net <mailto:ben@6by7.net>
On Mar 16, 2020, at 4:24 PM, George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
The SF Bay Area shelter in place rules specifically exempt news media, telecommunications and internet including infrastructure services thereof (presumably large internet companies, network and security vendors, etc), fuel deliveries.
I could use infrastructure vendors excuse but $current_client_company is on mandatory WFH for next five weeks and team had filtered out doing it informally before it became official.
I’d name the company but someone might contact me for an emergency and I have nothing to do with the customer incidents team. I don’t even know who to forward stuff to. Suffice it to say that everyone doing network security infra at all the vendors is being as safe as possible under the circumstances. We’re trying to keep all the lights on for you.
-George
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On Mar 16, 2020, at 1:21 PM, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
On some other mailing lists, FCC licensed operators are reporting they have received letters from the Department of Homeland Security authorizing "access" and "fuel" priority.
Occasionally, DHS issues these letters after natural disasters such as hurricanes for hospitals and critical facilities. I haven't heard of them issued for pandemics.
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