Re: Beer and Gear surprise
I, for one, HAVE organized a conference, and a rally. I know of the hard, often thankless, work that it takes to put together a successful conference. If a NANOG meeting ever came to my town (which I would love for my company to host), I would gladly volunteer to pitch in. Unfortunately, there isn't much to do or see in this town, so I suspect that it wouldn't be a highly attended conference. I appreciate the hard work that everyone did to put on what I would consider another successful NANOG. I certainly enjoyed it, and will continue to go to additional meetings, even if there is no "gear". I only have an issue of expecting one thing, and getting quite another, without warning or knowing about the true reason why. It's like going to McDonalds to get a meal and finding out your Big Mac is on a regular bun instead of the sesame seed bun because the guy that cleaned the restrooms took offence to all the seeds in the toilet. Think of the people that went to NANOG like your kids. You go get them a Happy Meal only to find out that there is no surprise inside. Your kids still get to eat, and that was the important thing, but are still disappointed that they didn't get their toy. UK --- Opinions in this email are the personal opinions of the author and are not associated with author's employer. This email account is a not the regular email account of the author and is being used for the protection of the employer. On Wed, Feb 21, Vijay wrote: The Merit people spend an incredible amount of time and effort doing this conference so we (the spoiled brats) can get together face to face and discuss our day jobs and instead of thanking them, we're whining up a storm over some pieces of schwag? Running something this large and running it this well is _hard_, folks. If we had some ham, we could have a ham and cheese sandwich if we had some cheese. /vijay _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
I only have an issue of expecting one thing, and getting quite another, without warning or knowing about the true reason why. It's like going to McDonalds to get a meal and finding out your Big Mac is on a regular bun instead of the sesame seed bun because the guy that cleaned the restrooms took offence to all the seeds in the toilet.
Think of the people that went to NANOG like your kids. You go get them a Happy Meal only to find out that there is no surprise inside. Your kids still get to eat, and that was the important thing, but are still disappointed that they didn't get their toy.
i agree. there should be a question on the nanog reservation form "do you really want trinkets from the beer and gear?" anyone who says "yes" should have their reservation turned down. we don't have enough space for serious operators and this really might help. randy
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 05:12:27PM -0800, Randy Bush wrote:
I only have an issue of expecting one thing, and getting quite another, without warning or knowing about the true reason why. It's like going to McDonalds to get a meal and finding out your Big Mac is on a regular bun instead of the sesame seed bun because the guy that cleaned the restrooms took offence to all the seeds in the toilet.
Think of the people that went to NANOG like your kids. You go get them a Happy Meal only to find out that there is no surprise inside. Your kids still get to eat, and that was the important thing, but are still disappointed that they didn't get their toy.
i agree. there should be a question on the nanog reservation form
"do you really want trinkets from the beer and gear?"
anyone who says "yes" should have their reservation turned down. we don't have enough space for serious operators and this really might help.
I think that there were probally more real discussions with the vendors this time and based on that they will probally not return with trinkets even if merit allows it. This gets the more serious people at their booths (tables) that want to discuss real issues. I found a lot more of that this time rather than "give me my t-shirt/boxers/pen/hoberman sphere/ball/yo-yo" as i wandered the tables. The Washington beer&gear was in a poor space and the behaviour of everyone there was close to inappropriate with the mob scene that appeared around the tables. There it was too dificult to get up to the table to discuss issues as everyone was pushing/shoving to get their goodies. If i were a vendor i'd at least make them talk to me or get a business card/name on a sign-in sheet before they got their goodies. It's better business than showing up and giving away 550 t-shirts at a considerable cost to me with no return on my investment other than the advertizing value. - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from jared@puck.nether.net clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
On Wed, 21 Feb 2001, Ukyo Kuonji wrote:
If a NANOG meeting ever came to my town (which I would love for my company to host), I would gladly volunteer to pitch in. Unfortunately, there isn't much to do or see in this town, so I suspect that it wouldn't be a highly attended conference.
if you host it, they will come.... Christian ps, i dont drink the beer. lets just call it beer, finger food and gear. pss, why dont we go back to the old days where vendors, etc would host parties in suites and they can hand out whatever they want?
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 10:36:02PM -0800, Christian Nielsen wrote:
ps, i dont drink the beer. lets just call it beer, finger food and gear.
Sounds to me like the only way you aren't going to piss someone off is if it's called "stand or sit in a room and speak to other people, unless you don't want to". I'm sure that will offend the bed-ridden, though.
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