Managed, cheap, DC power switches
I have a need for cheap managed DC power switches for our OSS and Monitoring (backoffice). I was wondering what everyone else have found in this space. I am currently using Cisco 2950's, but those are still 2.5K list and seems like too much to spend on something so trivial. I am looking for something with: * Better port density (48 ports per 1U), but 24 ports would work. * IOS like configuration (not needed, but would be nice not to crosstrain my team) I really don't want anything that is Web only. * CHEAP. The gear is mostly just for monitoring and big backplanes and features are not really needed. Thanks, Brandon
2.5K? No way. Get used or refurbished from Network Hardware or similar outlet. We rarely buy new. Used gear works just fine. -- Tim Sanderson, network administrator tims@donet.com -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Bennett [mailto:bennetb@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:21 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Managed, cheap, DC power switches I have a need for cheap managed DC power switches for our OSS and Monitoring (backoffice). I was wondering what everyone else have found in this space. I am currently using Cisco 2950's, but those are still 2.5K list and seems like too much to spend on something so trivial. I am looking for something with: * Better port density (48 ports per 1U), but 24 ports would work. * IOS like configuration (not needed, but would be nice not to crosstrain my team) I really don't want anything that is Web only. * CHEAP. The gear is mostly just for monitoring and big backplanes and features are not really needed. Thanks, Brandon
Or at least buy Cisco refurb and save $$$...;) We have lots of 2950's in use ... moving to 2960's for low end applications currently - then moving to 3560 etc from there.... You might also checkout the Express500 stuff... more basic switch and priced right..... Paul -----Original Message----- From: Tim Sanderson [mailto:tims@donet.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:00 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Managed, cheap, DC power switches 2.5K? No way. Get used or refurbished from Network Hardware or similar outlet. We rarely buy new. Used gear works just fine. -- Tim Sanderson, network administrator tims@donet.com -----Original Message----- From: Brandon Bennett [mailto:bennetb@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:21 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Managed, cheap, DC power switches I have a need for cheap managed DC power switches for our OSS and Monitoring (backoffice). I was wondering what everyone else have found in this space. I am currently using Cisco 2950's, but those are still 2.5K list and seems like too much to spend on something so trivial. I am looking for something with: * Better port density (48 ports per 1U), but 24 ports would work. * IOS like configuration (not needed, but would be nice not to crosstrain my team) I really don't want anything that is Web only. * CHEAP. The gear is mostly just for monitoring and big backplanes and features are not really needed. Thanks, Brandon ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and then destroy this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. Thank you."
Paul Stewart wrote:
Or at least buy Cisco refurb and save $$$...;)
We have lots of 2950's in use ... moving to 2960's for low end applications currently - then moving to 3560 etc from there....
You might also checkout the Express500 stuff... more basic switch and priced right.....
Paul
Please, stay away from the Express 500 stuff if you value your time! The technical term for the Catalyst Express line is "crap" . As in "oh crap, the network is not working again..." --Patrick
try getting a 2980G-A switch off of ebay. for 100bucks you get an 80 port 10/100 switch. sure it's EoL/EoS already but it works pretty well. cisco refurbished equipment will save you a lot of money. I've been dealing with these guys: duane and withlow www.dwc-computer.com/ www.network-liquidators.com On 7/16/08, Patrick Giagnocavo <patrick@zill.net> wrote:
Paul Stewart wrote:
Or at least buy Cisco refurb and save $$$...;)
We have lots of 2950's in use ... moving to 2960's for low end applications currently - then moving to 3560 etc from there....
You might also checkout the Express500 stuff... more basic switch and priced right.....
Paul
Please, stay away from the Express 500 stuff if you value your time!
The technical term for the Catalyst Express line is "crap" .
As in "oh crap, the network is not working again..."
--Patrick
***.network-liquidators.***
I am amazed that two people now have spoken positively about these folks. I had to threaten to get them to stop contacting me...and if I get one more phone call *&Q@$)(^%# I'll add that the pricing on the initial quote I requested for a used 3640A and NM-2W was not even attractive. ~JasonG --
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 09:58:08AM -0400, Jason Gurtz wrote:
***.network-liquidators.***
I am amazed that two people now have spoken positively about these folks. I had to threaten to get them to stop contacting me...and if I get one more phone call *&Q@$)(^%#
Well, I called them, on a recommendation, rather than the other way around... but several people have suggested to me off-list that the premium I paid them for the parts I needed wasn't really justified by the fact that it was July 3rd. :-} Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin)
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:05:57AM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote: [ Network Liquidators ]
Well, I called them, on a recommendation, rather than the other way around... but several people have suggested to me off-list that the premium I paid them for the parts I needed wasn't really justified by the fact that it was July 3rd. :-}
For what it's worth, I gave the sales rep what-for about the price, and he gave it back to me, telling me that ProCurve switches will only accept ProCurve(-compatible) SFP GBICs, which cost more, both because they're compatible, and because they're SFP. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin)
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
For what it's worth, I gave the sales rep what-for about the price, and he gave it back to me, telling me that ProCurve switches will only accept ProCurve(-compatible) SFP GBICs, which cost more, both because they're compatible, and because they're SFP.
Recent ProCurve switches only accept "rev B" modules; I have a new-ish switch that won't accept a pile of Finisar optics that did work in older HP switches. I don't know what the difference between "rev B" and older ones are, though. -- Seth Mattinen sethm@rollernet.us Roller Network LLC
Seth Mattinen wrote:
Recent ProCurve switches only accept "rev B" modules; I have a new-ish switch that won't accept a pile of Finisar optics that did work in older HP switches. I don't know what the difference between "rev B" and older ones are, though.
Probably about $100 :-) Jeff
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 01:16:09PM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
For what it's worth, I gave the sales rep what-for about the price, and he gave it back to me, telling me that ProCurve switches will only accept ProCurve(-compatible) SFP GBICs, which cost more, both because they're compatible, and because they're SFP.
Recent ProCurve switches only accept "rev B" modules; I have a new-ish switch that won't accept a pile of Finisar optics that did work in older HP switches. I don't know what the difference between "rev B" and older ones are, though.
Specifically, that rep (Bill Billings) told me that a *firware upgrade* broke compatibility with the old GBICs, which *originally* worked, and he ended up eating nearly 300 of them at one point. But we're probably off topic now. :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin)
-----Original Message----- From: Jay R. Ashworth [mailto:jra@baylink.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:32 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: OT: GBIC compatibility and pricing (was Managed, cheap,DC
This reason is twofold, one is Resellers were just buying whatever cheap gbics they could and bundling them with Procurve switches (I'm sure this happens to other vendors too). Thus most of the profitable parts of switch sales were being eroded by the resellers. The other is that Procurve offers a lifetime warranty on most (possibly all) of their products, including gbics I believe, thus the premium. I believe you can just RMA a Procurve GBIC, and they will send you a new one, no receipts, no worries, no expiration, no service contract. He shouldn't have to eat 300 gbics unless he bought non-Procurve ones to begin with. HP should be able to exchange/reprogram them if they were HP Gbics. Steve power switches)
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 01:16:09PM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
For what it's worth, I gave the sales rep what-for about the price,
he gave it back to me, telling me that Procurve switches will only accept Procurve(-compatible) SFP GBICs, which cost more, both because they're compatible, and because they're SFP.
Recent Procurve switches only accept "rev B" modules; I have a new-ish switch that won't accept a pile of Finisar optics that did work in
HP switches. I don't know what the difference between "rev B" and
and older older
ones are, though.
Specifically, that rep (Bill Billings) told me that a *firware upgrade* broke compatibility with the old GBICs, which *originally* worked, and he ended up eating nearly 300 of them at one point.
But we're probably off topic now. :-)
Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274
Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin)
I think this vendor-supported SFP was big issue from HP ethernet switch since it was appeared from HP ethernet switch firmware upgrade without much attention. It should be standard, so it shouldn't matter which vender's SFP is. But since HP decided to stick with their own SFP, some third party vendor starts to ask for which vendor's equipment to be used with SFP, and they programmed firmware to simulate specific vendor's SFP by placing vendor code or something like that. Sometimes when I ordered specific vendor's Part Number for SFP from specific vendor's reseller, still it is delivered with third party vendor's SFP. I don't know whether reseller is making money because of price difference, or not. Hyun Steve Dalberg wrote:
This reason is twofold, one is Resellers were just buying whatever cheap gbics they could and bundling them with Procurve switches (I'm sure this happens to other vendors too). Thus most of the profitable parts of switch sales were being eroded by the resellers.
The other is that Procurve offers a lifetime warranty on most (possibly all) of their products, including gbics I believe, thus the premium. I believe you can just RMA a Procurve GBIC, and they will send you a new one, no receipts, no worries, no expiration, no service contract.
He shouldn't have to eat 300 gbics unless he bought non-Procurve ones to begin with. HP should be able to exchange/reprogram them if they were HP Gbics.
Steve
-----Original Message----- From: Jay R. Ashworth [mailto:jra@baylink.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:32 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: OT: GBIC compatibility and pricing (was Managed, cheap,DC
power switches)
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 01:16:09PM -0700, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
For what it's worth, I gave the sales rep what-for about the price,
and
he gave it back to me, telling me that Procurve switches will only accept Procurve(-compatible) SFP GBICs, which cost more, both
because
they're compatible, and because they're SFP.
Recent Procurve switches only accept "rev B" modules; I have a
new-ish
switch that won't accept a pile of Finisar optics that did work in
older
HP switches. I don't know what the difference between "rev B" and
older
ones are, though.
Specifically, that rep (Bill Billings) told me that a *firware
upgrade*
broke compatibility with the old GBICs, which *originally* worked, and he ended up eating nearly 300 of them at one point.
But we're probably off topic now. :-)
Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
jra@baylink.com
Designer The Things I Think
RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com
'87 e24
St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727
647 1274
Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin)
Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 15:15:45 -0700 From: "Steve Dalberg" <sdalberg@marchex.com>
This reason is twofold, one is Resellers were just buying whatever cheap gbics they could and bundling them with Procurve switches (I'm sure this happens to other vendors too). Thus most of the profitable parts of switch sales were being eroded by the resellers.
The other is that Procurve offers a lifetime warranty on most (possibly all) of their products, including gbics I believe, thus the premium. I believe you can just RMA a Procurve GBIC, and they will send you a new one, no receipts, no worries, no expiration, no service contract.
He shouldn't have to eat 300 gbics unless he bought non-Procurve ones to begin with. HP should be able to exchange/reprogram them if they were HP Gbics.
The problem was that earlier code revs would accept 3rd party optics. Buying the optics from the manufacturer rather than from HP saved a lot of money and was a common practice. Then the code was upgraded to prohibit non-HP branded optics. This was a non-reversable upgrade and, for the folks who had bought their own optics, they had dead boxes and had to buy HP optics to get them back into service. Quite a few folks were a bit upset about this. While HP can make whatever claims they want as to why this was a benefit to the consumer, it was clear done to benefit the HP bottom line and the consumer was not taken into consideration. If you had HP optics, no exchange was needed. If you compare identical optics that are branded by the manufacturer vs. those branded Cisco or HP, you will notice a 'small' mark-up on the re-marked units. Maybe a few hundred percent. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 04:31:44PM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Specifically, that rep (Bill Billings) told me that a *firware upgrade* broke compatibility with the old GBICs, which *originally* worked, and he ended up eating nearly 300 of them at one point.
On a related topic, I walked the SNMP on the switch, and I don't see a way to read the SFF8472 DOM parameters out; anyone got a pointer? Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin)
I was not talking about network liquidators...I was referring to Network Hardware Resale (NHR)-different company. Good quality gear. Good service. http://www.networkhardware.com/ -- Tim Sanderson, network administrator tims@donet.com -----Original Message----- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongurtz@npumail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:58 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Managed, cheap, DC power switches
***.network-liquidators.***
I am amazed that two people now have spoken positively about these folks. I had to threaten to get them to stop contacting me...and if I get one more phone call *&Q@$)(^%# I'll add that the pricing on the initial quote I requested for a used 3640A and NM-2W was not even attractive. ~JasonG --
I purchased my GSR8 from NHR, 2 DC power supplies and it arrived missing one of the plastic protective covers, hardly mission critical but it arrived fedex, the next day and I didn't need to call them on it. VERY happy with NHR On Jul 17, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Tim Sanderson wrote:
I was not talking about network liquidators...I was referring to Network Hardware Resale (NHR)-different company. Good quality gear. Good service.
http://www.networkhardware.com/
-- Tim Sanderson, network administrator tims@donet.com
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:jasongurtz@npumail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:58 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Managed, cheap, DC power switches
***.network-liquidators.***
I am amazed that two people now have spoken positively about these folks. I had to threaten to get them to stop contacting me...and if I get one more phone call *&Q@$)(^%#
I'll add that the pricing on the initial quote I requested for a used 3640A and NM-2W was not even attractive.
~JasonG
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 01:59:54PM -0400, Tim Sanderson wrote:
2.5K? No way. Get used or refurbished from Network Hardware or similar outlet. We rarely buy new. Used gear works just fine.
Indeed. I just had to put my hands on my GBICs and a module for a 4200vl on short notice, and conveniently, Network Liquidators is about 30 miles from me. The sales rep, with the unlikely name of Bill Billings (which isn't as unusual, admittedly, as Courtney Courtney), was quite helpful and almost unreasonably solicitous. I don't actually know: is $200 for a new aftermarket multimode GBIC a deal? :-) Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://baylink.pitas.com '87 e24 St Petersburg FL USA http://photo.imageinc.us +1 727 647 1274 Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything. -- (Josef Stalin)
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