Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist?
Why are you emailing me? On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM Jeff P <jeffp@jeffp.us> wrote:
SEE!?!
With no evidence yet publicly acknowledged as to who added the AOC email to the list now they are just accusing some random "A woman!"
Words (The Pen) are mightier than any brute force (The Sword).
And you did it without thought, just piled on. It came as natural to you as putting on your shoes in the morning.
JeffP jeffp@jeffp.us
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---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Lorell Hathcock <lorell@hathcock.org> Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist? To: Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> Cc: nanog <nanog@nanog.org>
A-woman!
Sincerely,
Lorell Hathcock
On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
I agree 100%.
I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list because of someone's behavior.
- Javier
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what caused them to do that and have undone it.
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote: the
policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
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I contacted you (and others) off list to avoid a public discussion on a board dedicated to the discussion of networking to call out your misogynist comment in a previous post with content that did not further any discussion relevant to networking... If the admins are interested in the full content of several messages that Javier J and I exchanged , I will provide the full email chains to provide context to the single email posted here to any who contacts me off list. But since you wish to make it a public discussion, I would like to call attention to your failure to follow the usage guidelines and code of conduct outlined in the NANOG terms of use as agreed to in subscribing to this list: https://www.nanog.org/about/code-conduct/ https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/ I suggest any one who wants to threaten other users, leave misogynistic content, or leave irrelevant messages that are simply designed to degrade others should think twice before they post it on NANOG. And then just not do it. This is not the forum for that type of conversation. Please take it to Twitter or Gab or Parler or Facebook or your platform of choice, but NANOG as founded and conducted is for a technical discussion board for networking and is not the platform for that kind of content. It is a waste of time for those of us who are not interested in your opinion of any other subject not directly related to networking to have to read through a garbage post only to get slapped in the face with your lack of etiquette or sense of decorum. We all agreed to the rules, and we should all act accordingly. JeffP jeffp@jeffp.us On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:34 PM Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
Why are you emailing me?
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM Jeff P <jeffp@jeffp.us> wrote:
SEE!?!
With no evidence yet publicly acknowledged as to who added the AOC email to the list now they are just accusing some random "A woman!"
Words (The Pen) are mightier than any brute force (The Sword).
And you did it without thought, just piled on. It came as natural to you as putting on your shoes in the morning.
JeffP jeffp@jeffp.us
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---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Lorell Hathcock <lorell@hathcock.org> Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist? To: Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> Cc: nanog <nanog@nanog.org>
A-woman!
Sincerely,
Lorell Hathcock
On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
I agree 100%.
I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list because of someone's behavior.
- Javier
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what caused them to do that and have undone it.
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is the policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
Everyone take a deep breath, calm down, and move on from this thread. On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:22 AM Jeff P <jeffp@jeffp.us> wrote:
I contacted you (and others) off list to avoid a public discussion on a board dedicated to the discussion of networking to call out your misogynist comment in a previous post with content that did not further any discussion relevant to networking... If the admins are interested in the full content of several messages that Javier J and I exchanged , I will provide the full email chains to provide context to the single email posted here to any who contacts me off list. But since you wish to make it a public discussion, I would like to call attention to your failure to follow the usage guidelines and code of conduct outlined in the NANOG terms of use as agreed to in subscribing to this list:
https://www.nanog.org/about/code-conduct/ https://www.nanog.org/resources/usage-guidelines/
I suggest any one who wants to threaten other users, leave misogynistic content, or leave irrelevant messages that are simply designed to degrade others should think twice before they post it on NANOG. And then just not do it. This is not the forum for that type of conversation. Please take it to Twitter or Gab or Parler or Facebook or your platform of choice, but NANOG as founded and conducted is for a technical discussion board for networking and is not the platform for that kind of content. It is a waste of time for those of us who are not interested in your opinion of any other subject not directly related to networking to have to read through a garbage post only to get slapped in the face with your lack of etiquette or sense of decorum. We all agreed to the rules, and we should all act accordingly.
JeffP jeffp@jeffp.us
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 10:34 PM Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
Why are you emailing me?
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM Jeff P <jeffp@jeffp.us> wrote:
SEE!?!
With no evidence yet publicly acknowledged as to who added the AOC email to the list now they are just accusing some random "A woman!"
Words (The Pen) are mightier than any brute force (The Sword).
And you did it without thought, just piled on. It came as natural to you as putting on your shoes in the morning.
JeffP jeffp@jeffp.us
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---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Lorell Hathcock <lorell@hathcock.org> Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez' Office is on NANOG?? Or, what is the policy about sharing email offlist? To: Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> Cc: nanog <nanog@nanog.org>
A-woman!
Sincerely,
Lorell Hathcock
On Jan 18, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
I agree 100%.
I know the emails on this list are public and that is fine. What I don't appreciate is that now my email address is in some politico's address list because of someone's behavior.
- Javier
On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 3:20 PM Jon Lewis <jlewis@lewis.org> wrote:
There's a world of difference between "don't expect list posts to be private to list members" and "don't forward the list to autoresponders." The stupidity of the latter, if it can be tracked down to who did it, should result in their removal from the list, at least until they explain what caused them to do that and have undone it.
On Mon, 18 Jan 2021, Paul Timmins wrote:
The list has public archives. Draw your own conclusions on the policy.
https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/
On 1/18/21 2:40 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. wrote:
Not under that impression at all. That's very different from "what is the policy" - at least in the groups I run, if the policy is "no sharing offlist" and then someone does, there are consequences for that someone. Anne
-- Anne P. Mitchell, Attorney at Law Dean of Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal anti-spam law) Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop Former Counsel: Mail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Lewis, MCP :) | I route StackPath, Sr. Neteng | therefore you are _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________
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