Massive Price Increase for X-conns at Telehouse Chelsea, NYC
Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea? When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in the United states. I get the impression that they feel comfortable enough to abuse their position. When we complained they simply said 'you may consider to cancel the contract'. Of course they don't provide any better service, in fact, the service quality is commonly indirectly proportional to the price at most 'big names'. #rant I suggest to anyone considering to buy colocation space in NYC (or elsewhere) not to choose Telehouse, unlike a few years ago. -- Fredy Kuenzler Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd.
Still better than what other places charge (*cough* DR..... *cough*) On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 10:57 AM, Fredy Kuenzler <kuenzler@init7.net> wrote:
Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea?
When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in the United states.
I get the impression that they feel comfortable enough to abuse their position. When we complained they simply said 'you may consider to cancel the contract'.
Of course they don't provide any better service, in fact, the service quality is commonly indirectly proportional to the price at most 'big names'. #rant
I suggest to anyone considering to buy colocation space in NYC (or elsewhere) not to choose Telehouse, unlike a few years ago.
-- Fredy Kuenzler Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd.
On 9/17/18 7:57 AM, Fredy Kuenzler wrote:
Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea?
When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in the United states.
I get the impression that they feel comfortable enough to abuse their position. When we complained they simply said 'you may consider to cancel the contract'.
They know that most people will complain, but they very few will actually pull the trigger on a cancel. I see attitudes like this change with ownership or new executives looking to make their mark. Prices will keep going up until whatever metric of how many customers actually cancel is met. If you're able to cancel, I say do it. One of two things will happen: you'll call their bluff and get offered a better rate, or 2) you get to move somewhere that has a better rate and you know to make sure it's contracted or has a cap on how much it can increase on an annual basis. Yes, moving is horribly inconvenient, but in my opinion it's worse to work with a company who is hostile towards their customers. ~Seth
at 10:57 AM, Fredy Kuenzler <kuenzler@init7.net> wrote:
Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea?
When we moved in a few years ago they were asking 150$, it changed to 200$ and now we are asked to pay 260$. That's 73% more. I don't think inflation is that high in the United states.
I get the impression that they feel comfortable enough to abuse their position. When we complained they simply said 'you may consider to cancel the contract'.
Of course they don't provide any better service, in fact, the service quality is commonly indirectly proportional to the price at most 'big names'. #rant
I suggest to anyone considering to buy colocation space in NYC (or elsewhere) not to choose Telehouse, unlike a few years ago.
-- Fredy Kuenzler Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd.
$300 MRC for a once-off cross connect isn’t unreasonable. There’s costs and labor involved in running that cable through a riser. Especially if you want it in innerduct. I’m not sure what Telehouse’s policies are because I’m not a customer, but some companies (TelX comes to mind) you can order them in bulk at a significant discount. Even with the extra labor involved in splicing it to a panel, running a 12 or 24 count cable into a cabinet is a much easier pill to swallow than having a guy up on a ladder or under a floor every time you want to turn up a customer. Then there’s always off-market options too. You don’t need to be in New York to have decent connectivity to the New York metro region. There’s a few places in Jersey that offer free cross connects in their meet-me rooms because they’re so desperate to have carriers move into their facilities. I don’t think many of them have connectivity to major peering fabrics, though.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Daniel Corbe <dcorbe@hammerfiber.com> wrote:
$300 MRC for a once-off cross connect isn’t unreasonable. There’s costs and labor involved in running that cable through a riser. Especially if you want it in innerduct.
Hi Daniel, A $300 Non-Recurring Cost, sure. The MONTHLY Recurring Cost of maintaining that cable is not zero, especially if it's in a campus not just one building, but it's pretty close to zero. Charging the customer a $300 MRC may not be unusual but it is unreasonable. I get that floorspace and power is priced pretty close to cost-recovery so that cross connects are one of the only profit centers for a carrier neutral facility. It's still obnoxious. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth? I’m not saying I think $300 MRC is legitimate by any means, but, if you’re going to talk about the ongoing costs, the space in the cable ladder and/or fiber tray(s) also has to be accounted for. Owen
On Sep 17, 2018, at 8:57 AM, William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Daniel Corbe <dcorbe@hammerfiber.com> wrote:
$300 MRC for a once-off cross connect isn’t unreasonable. There’s costs and labor involved in running that cable through a riser. Especially if you want it in innerduct.
Hi Daniel,
A $300 Non-Recurring Cost, sure. The MONTHLY Recurring Cost of maintaining that cable is not zero, especially if it's in a campus not just one building, but it's pretty close to zero. Charging the customer a $300 MRC may not be unusual but it is unreasonable.
I get that floorspace and power is priced pretty close to cost-recovery so that cross connects are one of the only profit centers for a carrier neutral facility. It's still obnoxious.
Regards, Bill Herrin
-- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth?
These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as possible from the users. Nothing more or nothing less. The price relief only comes when the market is grossly overbuilt and if there is actual competition. - Ethan O'Toole
$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250. Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. -Ben On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth?
These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as possible from the users. Nothing more or nothing less. The price relief only comes when the market is grossly overbuilt and if there is actual competition.
- Ethan O'Toole
$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250. Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it.
For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on the other hand is around 200 USD/month. It's always felt disproportionally expensive but maybe those kind of prices are expected for the North America region.
My current facility (in the Ashburn, VA, USA area) is $25/mo with two for free, but when I was shopping around, most other facilities were at least $300/mo. Certainly not unusual but I agree it's excessive. On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Phil Lavin <phil.lavin@cloudcall.com> wrote:
$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250. Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it.
For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on the other hand is around 200 USD/month. It's always felt disproportionally expensive but maybe those kind of prices are expected for the North America region.
at 4:26 PM, Phil Lavin <phil.lavin@cloudcall.com> wrote:
$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250. Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it.
For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on the other hand is around 200 USD/month. It's always felt disproportionally expensive but maybe those kind of prices are expected for the North America region.
Yeah $30 is definitely not the norm on this side of the pond. Even if you buy in bulk.
One Wilshire is at $750/mo for XCs. Expect other constrained buildings to head there if not already (PAIX? Can you even get one?) -Ben.
On Sep 17, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Daniel Corbe <dcorbe@hammerfiber.com> wrote:
at 4:26 PM, Phil Lavin <phil.lavin@cloudcall.com> wrote:
$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250. Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it.
For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on the other hand is around 200 USD/month. It's always felt disproportionally expensive but maybe those kind of prices are expected for the North America region.
Yeah $30 is definitely not the norm on this side of the pond. Even if you buy in bulk.
On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote:
$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250. Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on the other hand is around 200 USD/month. It's always felt disproportionally expensive but maybe those kind of prices are expected for the North America region. Current list price for 10G Xconnect at the major colo site in Israel is $5840/month. Discounts are available :-) Keep complaining about $350/mo costs. You have no idea how lucky you are.
-Hank
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:44 PM Hank Nussbacher <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il> wrote:
$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250. Seems more like
For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on
On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote: they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. the other hand is around 200 USD/month. It's always felt disproportionally expensive but maybe those kind of prices are expected for the North America region. Current list price for 10G Xconnect at the major colo site in Israel is $5840/month. Discounts are available :-) Keep complaining about $350/mo costs. You have no idea how lucky you are.
it's funny/possible that x-connect costs affect where peering appears in the landscape, right?
On 18/09/2018 08:02, Christopher Morrow wrote:
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 9:44 PM Hank Nussbacher <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il <mailto:hank@efes.iucc.ac.il>> wrote:
On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote: >> $350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250. Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. > For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on the other hand is around 200 USD/month. It's always felt disproportionally expensive but maybe those kind of prices are expected for the North America region. Current list price for 10G Xconnect at the major colo site in Israel is $5840/month. Discounts are available :-) Keep complaining about $350/mo costs. You have no idea how lucky you are.
it's funny/possible that x-connect costs affect where peering appears in the landscape, right?
Not this time. Just price gouging since moving a number of cabinets to a different location is a nightmare. -Hank
Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On 18/09/2018 08:02, Christopher Morrow wrote:
it's funny/possible that x-connect costs affect where peering appears in the landscape, right?> Not this time. Just price gouging since moving a number of cabinets
to a different location is a nightmare. Sure - but at least they have competitors.
Look at prices from telecoms like China's CN1. Would you rather have prices set by government-controlled monopolies, or by private competition? --S.C.
On Tue Sep 18, 2018 at 08:19:35AM +0000, Scott Christopher wrote:
Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On 18/09/2018 08:02, Christopher Morrow wrote:
it's funny/possible that x-connect costs affect where peering appears in the landscape, right?> Not this time. Just price gouging since moving a number of cabinets
to a different location is a nightmare. Sure - but at least they have competitors.
Look at prices from telecoms like China's CN1. Would you rather have prices set by government-controlled monopolies, or by private competition? --S.C.
It's more like a loose cartel with some leading to see how far they can push it and the rest following in step. As long as they don't go too fast nobody will see a large enough difference to be worth changing location. Equinix were a leader in bringing this to the UK, they have said they want to get the UK charges to US levels (so >10x increase still to come). US pricing already matches metro waves so we face paying twice the cost of the wave to the DCs for the short interconnects. Telehouse (UK) was one of the good ones with no MRC, the risers got full due to the popularity of no MRCs (they sold out of rack space repeatedly too). They started charging but I can't attribute the growing empty rack space to that, more likely AWS is the cause of that and a driver for increasing xcon fees to make up revenue. brandon
Equinix were a leader in bringing this to the UK, they have said they want to get the UK charges to US levels (so >10x increase still to come). US pricing already matches metro waves so we face paying twice the cost of the wave to the DCs for the short interconnects.
Our Internap (reselling Equinix) xconnects at Equinix in Ashburn recently jumped from $250 MRC to $350 overnight. According to the Equinix account manager, their "standard" increase is only 5% p.a. In my experience, US facility MRC's are (generally) always x times more expensive than European equivalent, if there is even an MRC although maybe that is changing as others have mentioned. I guess you could also draw somewhat similar comparisons with IX business models between the US and Europe (commercial vs mutual).
They started charging but I can't attribute the growing empty rack space to that, more likely AWS is the cause of that and a driver for increasing xcon fees to make up revenue.
brandon
Agreed. This is a topic worthy of discussion all on its own! Wonder how much of colo/DC operator space and revenue public cloud is eating in 2018? Regards, Andrew.
On 20/Sep/18 16:00, Andrew Ashley wrote:
Agreed. This is a topic worthy of discussion all on its own! Wonder how much of colo/DC operator space and revenue public cloud is eating in 2018?
NAPAfrica employ a "free x-connect" model to peer at their exchange point provided you are a paying customer within their (Teraco) data centre in South Africa. Any x-connects you order that are not going to touch the exchange point are charged for (nowhere near the pricing you're typically seeing the U.S., I might add). They have gone one step further and offered free ports at their exchange point for their members. Again, provided you are a paying customer within their data centre. The model has been wildly successful, making it the largest data centre in Africa in a span of (if my memory is correct) a little under 3 years, far surpassing some that were there before. So, just an example of an element where a free-and-pay element has been reasonably successful without any rent-seeking behaviour. Mark.
On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Hank Nussbacher <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il> wrote:
On 17/09/2018 23:26, Phil Lavin wrote:
$350/mo seems to be standard. Our DCs are at $250. Seems more like they held onto out of date pricing for a long time then realized it. For what it's worth, Telehouse London is around 30 USD/month for an x-connect within the same building. Our US datacentre (not Telehouse) on the other hand is around 200 USD/month. It's always felt disproportionally expensive but maybe those kind of prices are expected for the North America region. Current list price for 10G Xconnect at the major colo site in Israel is $5840/month. Discounts are available :-) Keep complaining about $350/mo costs. You have no idea how lucky you are.
-Hank
So, you’re arguing that because the prices in Israel are 15*ridiculous, we should stop complaining about 1*ridiculous? You have no idea how distorted your perspective is. Owen
Current list price for 10G Xconnect at the major colo site in Israel is $5840/month. Discounts are available :-) Keep complaining about $350/mo costs. You have no idea how lucky you are.
-Hank
So, you’re arguing that because the prices in Israel are 15*ridiculous, we should stop complaining about 1*ridiculous?
You have no idea how distorted your perspective is.
It's not necessarily distorted, it's just a different frame of reference. I can remember a conversation like this at a Joint Techs meeting many years back. Several of us were outgassing about how expensive it was to get 100mbps connections off our campuses, until the guy from the University of Hawaii told us how much he was paying per month for a *T1* to the mainland. :D -- -------------------------------------------- Bruce H. McIntosh Network Engineer II University of Florida Information Technology bhm@ufl.edu 352-273-1066
On Sep 18, 2018, at 12:02 PM, Bruce H McIntosh <bhm@ufl.edu> wrote:
Current list price for 10G Xconnect at the major colo site in Israel is $5840/month. Discounts are available :-) Keep complaining about $350/mo costs. You have no idea how lucky you are.
-Hank So, you’re arguing that because the prices in Israel are 15*ridiculous, we should stop complaining about 1*ridiculous? You have no idea how distorted your perspective is.
It's not necessarily distorted, it's just a different frame of reference. I can remember a conversation like this at a Joint Techs meeting many years back. Several of us were outgassing about how expensive it was to get 100mbps connections off our campuses, until the guy from the University of Hawaii told us how much he was paying per month for a *T1* to the mainland. :D
Sure, but in this case, we’re not comparing transaoceanic circuits to local loops, we’re comparing single pair fiber cross connects between two points in the same datacenter or datacenter campus. I’d argue that the difference between reasonable (≤$500 one-time and ≤$50 MRC) and $300 MRC is within range of argument, but I cannot see any way in which an argument can be made that $5840 MRC is not a distortion in that same circumstance. Owen
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:28 PM Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
I’d argue that the difference between reasonable (≤$500 one-time and ≤$50 MRC) and $300 MRC is within range of argument, but I cannot see any way in which an argument can be made that $5840 MRC is not a distortion in that same circumstance.
captive audiences (or those which view themselves as captive) are so much fun... :( I imagine that 'away from Telaviv' in the 20ms arena is .... actually pretty hard to find, right? If you wanted to offer 'local' content locally (and offer it quickly/fastly (ha!)) it's probably pretty hard in that part of the world, right? Whether it actually 'costs' that much to pull a x-connect and maintain that x-connect is probably not as important as 'gosh it's really hard to be 'close' to <isreali city>' right? which is what they are capitalizing on here. Hank, how far away is the next closest large network metro ? Riyad? Rome? Sofia?... I mean, it's all 'far' from 'isreal' (or really any part of the world) to the next decent network POP :(
Christopher Morrow wrote:
Whether it actually 'costs' that much to pull a x-connect and maintain that x-connect is probably not as important as 'gosh it's really hard to be 'close' to <isreali city>' right? which is what they are capitalizing on here.> Hank, how far away is the next closest large network metro ? Riyad? Rome? Sofia?... I mean, it's all 'far' from 'isreal' (or really any part of the world) to the next decent network POP :(>
I'm not sure if Israelis can buy anything from Riyadh, though. It's usually the case that Israelis and their neighbors can't do business with each other, either because of their neighbor's laws or Israel's laws, or both. So your Tel Aviv data center has a much smaller market and can't benefit from economies of scale like more developed markets such as United States and western Europe which sell globally. I agree that capitalism lets you charge whatever you can get but healthy capitalism gives you competition. The *big* question: If prices are so high in Israel, why don't competitors enter this market when it's 1) pretty much commodity and 2) booming globally? --S.C.
On Sep 19, 2018, at 00:44 , Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 12:28 PM Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com <mailto:owen@delong.com>> wrote:
I’d argue that the difference between reasonable (≤$500 one-time and ≤$50 MRC) and $300 MRC is within range of argument, but I cannot see any way in which an argument can be made that $5840 MRC is not a distortion in that same circumstance.
captive audiences (or those which view themselves as captive) are so much fun... :( I imagine that 'away from Telaviv' in the 20ms arena is .... actually pretty hard to find, right? If you wanted to offer 'local' content locally (and offer it quickly/fastly (ha!)) it's probably pretty hard in that part of the world, right? Whether it actually 'costs' that much to pull a x-connect and maintain that x-connect is probably not as important as 'gosh it's really hard to be 'close' to <isreali city>' right? which is what they are capitalizing on here.
Hank, how far away is the next closest large network metro ? Riyad? Rome? Sofia?... I mean, it's all 'far' from 'isreal' (or really any part of the world) to the next decent network POP :(
At those prices, it doesn’t take a lot of XCs to justify the cost of building an additional datacenter. Owen
On 20/Sep/18 03:13, Owen DeLong wrote:
At those prices, it doesn’t take a lot of XCs to justify the cost of building an additional datacenter.
These sorts of prices are generally visible either in cable landing stations, or data centres ran by submarine cable operators offering access to their cable system. A competing data centre in the same country will not provide cheaper access to one or a (limited) set of submarine cable systems that employ this stifling x-connect pricing model. Mark.
On Sep 17, 2018, at 15:08, Ethan O'Toole <telmnstr@757.org> wrote:
If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth?
These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as possible from the users. Nothing more or nothing less. The price relief only comes when the market is grossly overbuilt and if there is actual competition.
Maybe I am confused, but I thought every for-profit business exists to extract as much money as possible. When a business gives you something for free, they are expecting something in return - return business, personal data, lower churn, good reviews, customer loyalty, etc. - that they can turn into cash. Any business with little or no competition can be expected to raise prices. This is not exactly new or surprising. Expecting any for-profit business (all of them, not just REITs) to do less than extract maximum cash is deluding yourself. -- TTFN, patrick
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote : Maybe I am confused, but I thought every for-profit business exists to extract as much money as possible.
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Patrick W. Gilmore wrote on 17/09/2018 22:40:
Expecting any for-profit business (all of them, not just REITs) to do less than extract maximum cash is deluding yourself. oh sure, but price gouging is often bad business practice in the long term. Humans evolved a strong sense of injustice and have a long memory for people and organisations whom they feel take advantage of them.
As someone else pointed out, business practices like this can work in a rising market, but not so well when market conditions become difficult and people end up in a position of being able to make a choice between organisations which may have treated them badly in the past and those which have not. Nick
On Sep 17, 2018, at 17:51, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
Patrick W. Gilmore wrote on 17/09/2018 22:40:
Expecting any for-profit business (all of them, not just REITs) to do less than extract maximum cash is deluding yourself. oh sure, but price gouging is often bad business practice in the long term. Humans evolved a strong sense of injustice and have a long memory for people and organisations whom they feel take advantage of them.
As someone else pointed out, business practices like this can work in a rising market, but not so well when market conditions become difficult and people end up in a position of being able to make a choice between organisations which may have treated them badly in the past and those which have not.
No argument. You cut out part of my reply: When a business gives you something for free, they are expecting something in return - return business, personal data, lower churn, good reviews, customer loyalty, etc. - that they can turn into cash. Any business with little or no competition can be expected to raise prices. This is not exactly new or surprising. If you “s/free/free or lower cost/“, it satisfies your statement as well. Every business should be deciding “how much can I make -long term-“, and take into account what you, I, and others have said here. Some will think short term, and (hopefully) the market will punish them over time. Anyway, I think everyone on the thread agrees. Xconn fees are higher than they should be, but not necessarily higher than the market will bear. Yet. Besides, once everyone turns up a single 100 Tbps port to PacketFabric (or two for redundancy), xconn fees will be irrelevant. :-) -- TTFN, patrick
Ethan O'Toole wrote:
If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth?
These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as possible from the users. Nothing more or nothing less. The price relief only comes when the market is grossly overbuilt and if there is actual competition.
- Ethan O'Toole
For a positive side effect, xcon pricing should bring greater demand to dwdm solutions, what would you recommend for an affordable 1u turnkey buy a pair and get >10<30 1g/10g maybe a couple of 40 even a 100g (and mon/expansion)? Joe
fs.com has got this ready to go. Less than that.
On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon@jmaimon.com> wrote:
Ethan O'Toole wrote:
If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth?
These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as possible from the users. Nothing more or nothing less. The price relief only comes when the market is grossly overbuilt and if there is actual competition.
- Ethan O'Toole
For a positive side effect, xcon pricing should bring greater demand to dwdm solutions, what would you recommend for an affordable 1u turnkey buy a pair and get >10<30 1g/10g maybe a couple of 40 even a 100g (and mon/expansion)?
Joe
Correct. Behold the ‘active riser’. We started doing this years ago in our R&E network after we were being nickeled and dimes to cross floors between our own cages we leased from the same colo.
On Sep 17, 2018, at 15:23, Ben Cannon <ben@6by7.net> wrote:
fs.com has got this ready to go. Less than that.
On Sep 17, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Joe Maimon <jmaimon@jmaimon.com> wrote:
Ethan O'Toole wrote:
If it’s in an interduct by itself, how much would the square footage per month occupied by the average cross connect be worth?
These big datacenter companies are REITs. Similar to self-storage units and apartment buildings, they exist to extract as much money as possible from the users. Nothing more or nothing less. The price relief only comes when the market is grossly overbuilt and if there is actual competition.
- Ethan O'Toole
For a positive side effect, xcon pricing should bring greater demand to dwdm solutions, what would you recommend for an affordable 1u turnkey buy a pair and get >10<30 1g/10g maybe a couple of 40 even a 100g (and mon/expansion)?
Joe
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018, at 17:30, Daniel Corbe wrote:
$300 MRC for a once-off cross connect isn’t unreasonable. There’s costs
300$ would be (at the limit of) reasonable *M*RC for a 12 FO cable (= 6 duplex XCOs). Or the one-off (*N*RC) for one XCO. That's actually close to the rates we have on this part of the ocean. 300$ for one XCO (2 FO) is "robbery in organised band" (word-by-word translation of a french legal term). You can get metro waves (some 10-20 km distance) for lower than that (again, on my part of the ocean). -- R-A.F.
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 4:59 PM Fredy Kuenzler <kuenzler@init7.net> wrote:
Is anyone else affected by a massive price increase for x-conns by Telehouse Chelsea?
If I recall correctly in just switching to 100G ports instead of multiple 10G bundles we managed to pay off new switches in ~6 months. (not on that specific location but prices are high).
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